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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThere Is A Brutal Civil War In The GOP, And It Looks Like Karl Rove Will Be The First Casualty
Grassroots Republican operatives and Movement conservatives are quickly turning against the GOP Establishment in the wake of the party's expensive defeat this election cycle.
Republicans we spoke to this week voiced a near-universal disgust with the national Republican Party leaders and Washington political class, who are seen as having put their personal financial interest above winning the election.
As this internecine struggle gathers steam, the first target appears to be Karl Rove, the former Bush campaign mastermind who has dictated much of the GOP's strategy over the past decade.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/karl-rove-gop-money-civil-war-republicans-2012-11
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)than a smoldering, stinking pile of lifeless ashes. One where not so much as one glimmering cinder threatens to foster a flame. Let the baggers sift thru those ashes and wonder how their faith and hate has failed them. They'll have the party of hope and help to blame for their misery.
geckosfeet
(9,644 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)Seeing Rove kicked around is almost orgasmic.
LuvLoogie
(7,015 posts)SalviaBlue
(2,917 posts)ailsagirl
(22,897 posts)but, frankly, I'm surprised it took this long.
niyad
(113,464 posts)may they receive everything they deserve.
aletier_v
(1,773 posts)"Karl Rove was out raising money to keep Santorum alive until they could kill Newt Santorum basically ran for Governor of Iowa in 2011, visiting all 99 counties; Santorum, out of Iowa, had no organization, no money and no chance in 2012 to be the Republican nominee; he was only a stalking horse for Mitt Romney Rove kept Santorum alive until he could kill Rick Perry first, and then Newt Gingrich"
One by one,
Rove popped them like targets,
and knocked them down.
Hard to believe he could have been this insightful and calculating,
but if true, he has no friends left in GOP.
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)He'd wilt, as he's a bully until pushed in a corner. Remember how he lost all that weight when he didn't know what Fitz was going to do about Plame?
He's a dirty manipulator and someone's going to do him in if he doesn't retire and stay out of politics.
I adore this in-fighting. However, I ate all the popcorn during the election and can't !
I can just see Obama and Axelrod ROTFLTBO.
irisblue
(32,997 posts)is worth making another batch....
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)And beer.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,648 posts)Cirque du So-What
(25,949 posts)although I'd rather see it come from the judicial system than the comparatively mild rebuke at the hand of the flacks in his party.
BeyondGeography
(39,376 posts)for things he actually got right, like wanting to dump Akin and preferring Romney over the rest of the primary clown car members.
This is classic movement/machine tension. The conservative movement wants to reassert itself now. Problem is, the machine has it right about their policies being unsellable.
It's a lovely mess.
reACTIONary
(5,770 posts)klook
(12,159 posts)Jesus-on-a-dinosaur fundamentalists, and birthers won't settle for sanity.
mick063
(2,424 posts)they have that knows how to "sell" bad candidates. Hell, he was able to sell W.
Now they propose using a rookie to sell their crap ideas?
They kick out Rove and they are finished. Toast.
As if they weren't already.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)they will be left with only the religious kooks, the mentally unstable and the ignorant. What a party!
madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)malaise
(269,087 posts)devour him - I'm freaking lovin' it.
CrazyOrangeCat
(6,112 posts)He weasled out of the Plame thing . . .
But his own incompetence and complacency has finally done him in.
BadGimp
(4,015 posts)get the red out
(13,467 posts)They still won't recognize their real problem, that they are old, white, patriarchal, and EXTREMIST. They demand that this country be run according to their religious views, and that nobody pays taxes; that's their "grassroots", the Christian Taliban and the guys that think Somalia has good government.
LukeFL
(594 posts)Azathoth
(4,610 posts)ThoughtCriminal
(14,047 posts)Stupid ideas from corrupt, horrible people. That's something that they cannot fix anymore - there's nothing else left.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)members of the party are just as bad.
hibbing
(10,099 posts)Hey,
I agree totally. Have watched a lot of the political class on the teevee proclaiming it is the image. So they will promote their few token minorities and not analyze that it is their policies not the image that need to change. The blatant racism really does frighten me.
Peace
n2doc
(47,953 posts)These people have absolutely no idea on how to win elections, just to get people riled up/scared/horny. Can't run a party with them leading the way.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)???
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Which means he's headed to the wood chipper.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Who knows? Maybe we'll even get a more reasonable and moderate GOP out
of this election. But they have "outed" themselves so thoroughly, to be such
scumbags to the core, that it may take them a decade to pull that off.
It's difficult to imagine what the fuck they are going to do with this Teabagger
millstone around their collective neck, as there's probably no way on God's
green earth that they will ever be dissuaded from their loony anti-science worldview.
struggle4progress
(118,309 posts)in the nuts, mom takes out a contract on sis, auntie punches dad in the schnozz, &c&c
they'll all be back to playing nicey-poo and kissy-face with each another when the 2014 primaries end
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)We've been waiting a long time for this moment...
JHB
(37,161 posts)Eventually, it becomes just another tool to use against rivals on your own side. And that always ends in a clusterfuck.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)And there is tiny Karl's.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)summerschild
(725 posts)I was reminded the General had been suggested as running mate to Romney. No date or link on this picture.
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)Glad I'm not the only one. He's been on my mind a lot of late.
summerschild
(725 posts)They hoped Benghazi was.
AlinPA
(15,071 posts)religious leader and conservative media who are also the leaders of the GOP. So it doesn't make sense.
sadbear
(4,340 posts)BouzoukiKing
(163 posts)He'll be coming soon to a store near you...
Sliced.
Richard D
(8,755 posts). . . they shouldn't be infighting like that.
I truly hope they can get it together soon.
Soon in geologic time.
At least 20-50 years.
JHB
(37,161 posts)Just reporting. You decide!
Mr.Bill
(24,305 posts)that replace him, you're gonna miss Karl.
Tutonic
(2,522 posts)Equally to blame.
TomClash
(11,344 posts)Neon2012
(94 posts)This is hilarious.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)It is fun to watch a political party that has based itself on attacking its political opposition now using that talent on itself.
kenny blankenship
(15,689 posts)Just like he always does.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Uh oh! They are 100% correct in that! It scares me when they see the truth....
But what the hell am I frightened about. They'll do the exact WRONG thing about it. They just don't live in the real world.
adieu
(1,009 posts)Actually, given his complete ineptness in helping candidates succeed, I would love to see Rove continue in his blind, messianic quest to get another Bush clone elected.
The American electorate have learned from the Bush II fiasco. We're no longer satisfied with a wry smile and a chummy personality. The candidate has to have some skills. Meritocracy and technocracy beats out charismocracy.
AlGoreRhythms
(111 posts)and watch the republican party implode.
It's a great time in America.
Warpy
(111,292 posts)He blew too much smoke up too many rich and powerful asses. It's one thing to lie to the people, quite another to lie to the owners and bosses. In fact, since I haven't seen him over the last 24 hours, I suspect he might already be part of an overpass support somewhere.
Most of the other liars and smoke blowers will just point to him as the source, hoping they'll get off the hook. It's not likely to work for most of them.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)... that anyone else in the party would "put their own personal financial interest above winning the election".
ADVANCING THEIR OWN PERSONAL FINANCIAL INTEREST[b/] is primarily all the GOP is about, down to the very last one of them.
tpsbmam
(3,927 posts)or the "establishment" GOP for losing the base and, thus, the election. At least in this article, it's the fundies/social conservatives that are having snit fits. Cited is the example of the Republican establishment's "tar and feathering" of Akin after his idiotic comments. I guess the GOP was supposed to give full-throated support to Akin after that and that would have made it hunky-dorry and Akin would have won. Yeah, right.
They just don't bloody well get it and as long as they insist the GOP go further right where the fundies and baggers want it, there will be civil war if the establishment GOP finally gets a clue about American voters and their rejection of this current sicko, obstructionist, socially completely out of touch with the majority of Americans GOP. They don't get that continuing to push the Akins & Mourdocks & Bachmanns will lose them election after election and they're pushing the GOP to up their game to go further in their direction.
I love it!
heaven05
(18,124 posts)I hope they drum him out to the streets never to darken our doorways ever again. Won't happen but I'm entitled to my fantasies.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)He ran this campaign as if that drunkass W was the candidate, and he could bullshit the electorate into thinking that Romney was just another guy they'd like to have a beer with.
W was and is a mean-spiritied vindictive little shit, and Romney was a candidate with so many major flaws he seemed to be a collection of mistakes all flying in the same direction more than a single person.
ffr
(22,671 posts)Makes complete sense for a party that's eating itself like a cancer.
donco
(1,548 posts)turd blossom in full bloom.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)His shock live on Faux that Obama won proves that.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)ReRe
(10,597 posts)... Rove being FROG-MARCHED to jail.
blue sky at night
(3,242 posts)during the bu$h crime family era but you know it was almost worth it to endure the shithead for four more years just to see him turning like a pig on a spit like he his now. See Ya kkkarl! you know you are washed up when you can't even be on faux news anymore.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)Yavin4
(35,443 posts)Aristus
(66,409 posts)There's a difference between being an evil genius, and just being evil. That's Rove for you...
Love Bug
(6,036 posts)anyone became a republican in the first place! They were just exercising their core values of selfishness and greed.
upi402
(16,854 posts)Thanks Senator Franken!
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)"Republicans we spoke to this week voiced a near-universal disgust with the national Republican Party leaders and Washington political class, who are seen as having put their personal financial interest above winning the election."
What they may not realize is that party leader's and political classes' personal finances are directly tied to how favorable rethug policies will be to the 1%. That's where their true bankroll comes from.
mick063
(2,424 posts)Rove pissed them all off.
He pissed off the Teabillies because he shot Newt down.
He pissed off the Evangelicals because he shot Santorum down.
He pissed off the 1% because he shot a few hundred million down.
I don't know how Rove survives this except for the fact that he sells snake oil and the GOP is addicted to it.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Universally despised: Rove's true talent.
eridani
(51,907 posts)Just remembered this one--better late than never.
Roves Nuts Roasting on an Open Fire
Roves nuts roasting on an open fire
John Law snapping at his toes
Federal indictments being read by the hour,
And perps dressed up in prison clothes.
Everybody knows those turkeys in a prison cell
Would help to make the season bright
Fiendish plots had their eyes all aglow
But they'll find it hard to sleep tonight.
They know Fitzgerald's on his way
With big indictments in his attaché
And every one of us will crack a smile
To see Dick Cheney put away for awhile.
And so Im offering these simple words
To all those neocons who choose
Not the truth, but to lie through their teeth
"Merry Fitzmas! You lose!"
PATRICK
(12,228 posts)and likely because of his Bush administration job. All he did was organize dirty tricks since the Nixon era. That did not give him the pulse of the polls or the people, not the skills needed to campaign. He styled himself as a modern Hanna but the modern plutocrats are nowhere so self entitled as they were then. There is not just some opposition from poor regional populist Democrats out of power since the Civil War. There is no real modern conservative philosophy, just cheating and power tripping back to the nineteenth century- which ain't happening. It was like Kissinger admiring and modeling German nineteenth century foreign policy, but much less professional.
Let's not forget another GOP powerhouse, Ralph Reed and the Christian coalition- who also tried to make a comeback of sorts this year and remains most famous for enriching himself largely out of the campaign funds. Inflated importance, diminishing results and backward thinking.
Was there any genius in the GOP this year? Much sound and fury which guaranteed a loss of the presidency AND the Senate when even modest competence and moderately "good" candidates(if they have more than handful left anyway) would have given them unmerited success. Maybe they just wanted to gamble and see how little they could offer America and still shove a GOP "victory" of Monsters and Morons(a good title for a biopic) down our throats and operate a corporatist behind the scenes tyranny behind the scenes. Did they even purge the nuts and remove the stain of having plundered and murdered and economically ruined the country? They tripled down and actually expected to win.
The only real assumption they tested far beyond its simplistic limits was that as the economy was bad so the sitting party loses votes. Big money and unfair media buys elections. The slightest bit of give in this thief take all scenario might have made it work, but despite all their obstruction, the attempt to crush the economy failed- as did their nerve, intelligence and the skills absolutely necessary for a minority party to survive. They have forgotten since Reagan that they ARE the minority party and still shrinking. They dissed their own moderates and now they are eating their own, the true sign they have utterly abandoned their former power as a disciplined and "conservative" party. In the process they spit on their moderate base and whole groups ripe for divide and conquer.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)And a player to be named later.
loudsue
(14,087 posts)Which, of course, they are. He didn't like the tea party, and now they are the ones who are going to take over?
They're winning every election almost here in NC.