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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFordham College Republicans disinvite Ann Coulter, apologize for inviting her in the first place
The comments from the college president are also very much worth reading, they are at the link as well.
From the College Republicans late Friday:
The College Republicans regret the controversy surrounding our planned lecture featuring Ann Coulter. The size and severity of opposition to this event have caught us by surprise and caused us to question our decision to welcome her to Rose Hill. Looking at the concerns raised about Ms. Coulter, many of them reasonable, we have determined that some of her comments do not represent the ideals of the College Republicans and are inconsistent with both our organizations mission and the Universitys. We regret that we failed to thoroughly research her before announcing; that is our error and we do not excuse ourselves for it. Consistent with our strong disagreement with certain comments by Ms. Coulter, we have chosen to cancel the event and rescind Ms. Coulters invitation to speak at Fordham.
We made this choice freely before Father McShanes email was sent out and we became aware of his feelings had the President simply reached out to us before releasing his statement, he would have learned that the event was being cancelled. We hope the University community will forgive the College Republicans for our error and continue to allow us to serve as its main voice of the sensible, compassionate, and conservative political movement that we strive to be. We fell short of that standard this time, and we offer our sincere apologies.
NoPasaran
(17,291 posts)BouzoukiKing
(163 posts)...in twenty years.
I'm out of tolerance.
Evasporque
(2,133 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)There is no way in hell they didn't know of Ms. Coulter's radicalism when they booked her. They backpedaled only after strong community resistance. Otherwise, they would have allowed Coulter's form of insanity to go on and to poison the minds of those who attended the event.
Panasonic
(2,921 posts)Seriously.
The club needs to be dissolved and permanently barred from being formed at Fordham.
MrModerate
(9,753 posts)The club, the college administration, and the community have all learned something.
The only ones likely not to have learned anything are Ms. Coulter herself and perhaps you.
Panasonic
(2,921 posts)This is one of them. And that is a major waste of funds.
College Republicans *FIGHT* people and wants them uneducated.
The club has no purpose to benefit mankind, and must be dissolved, and permanently banned from ever reforming again.
MrModerate
(9,753 posts)To think of something thoughtless you did in your late teens or early twenties and present two arguments:
1) Why you should have been drummed out of the human race for your error, and
2) Why you shouldn't have been drummed out of the human race for your error.
For extra credit, look up the term "humility" and write a short essay on how the word is typically used.
11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)If they want to piss it away on the Coultergeist, let them. (And I hope you never wind up in ANY position of authority.)
onenote
(42,715 posts)That's one of the more ridiculous posts I've seen here in a while.
Panasonic
(2,921 posts)I'm so sick and tired of Republicans coming up with ways to indoctrinate people into their party.
The club idea is one of them - and at _THIS_ toxic political environment, the College Republicans should be dead last on the funding list - hell tell them to go beg RNC for funds, don't bother the nice college people. The exception to the rule is the Democratic Party which is very inclusive and open to all - a clear and diametric opposite of each other.
Confusious
(8,317 posts)Please, I await your defense of banning.
Maybe we could apply it to books, TV, maybe some other groups.
Just don't be surprised when it comes back to bite you on the ass.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)niyad
(113,464 posts)what a load of bull puckey-- as though people do not know the kinds of insane, hate-filled, vituperative, ugly remarks this "person" makes?
come on, you repubs, none of us out here is stupid enough to think you had no idea about some of her views. you are only trying to cover your own asses because of the amount of pushback you were getting for this. sorry, I am not impressed.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)These little Repuke turds masturbate every night to this cretin's most disgusting thoughts and opinions.
RoccoRyg
(260 posts)Why do you think she poses in a tough, commanding pose on the cover of every book? It's wanking material for young Repubs.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)What a pack of lying sacks of shit. Why else WOULD they have invited her if not because of her ultra-right wing venom and bigotry? Certainly not because she adds any depth and insight to the kind of challenging intellectual discourse that a college is supposed to promote.
Squinch
(50,957 posts)unacceptable for them to have her. Her ultra-right wing venom and bigotry got slammed by a very conservative community. That's a good thing.
BREMPRO
(2,331 posts)simply self preservation.. they realize now after being soundly whipped in this election that the country is changing, that the conservative entertainment industry (eg. Coulter) is part of the problem and sinking the party, and they are an endangered species if they don't change and evolve to a more broader coalition.. this means turning to more moderate voices to regain their appeal.. The youth realize this more than any other..
Squinch
(50,957 posts)I think a reasonable discussion among reasonable people who disagree is how we can come up with solutions to the hard issues we face today. But this election made me so damn happy! I am almost hoping they get crazier.
But no. Not really. We need to have an opposition that actually makes sense sometimes so we don't become our own echo chamber.
...OK, OK, I hope the Republicans become sane.
(But wasn't Tuesday so much fun????)
BREMPRO
(2,331 posts)their obstructionism and nutjob teabagging gets us nowhere close to solving the real problems that face us... but I see the fear and defeat in their eyes and it's sweet
JBoy
(8,021 posts)Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)before they asked her to speak?
I call bullshit.
Or these are some of the most ignorant college students in history.
get the red out
(13,467 posts)They need to be investigated for cheating on exams to even still be in college.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)demmis19566ie
(29 posts)Seems rather fishy
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)Fishy is a good description of it.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)And the glass is half full, isn't it?
I don't buy it. I do realize that they have not heard her for as long as she has been spouting venon, but she gets worse over time, and she has more face time on TV and radio now than she had 20 years ago. They knew.....they just agreed with her.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)"We were informed our school funding would be eliminated, and we wouldn't be able to sell enough tickets to pay for her speaking fee, thus the College Republicans would be facing financial ruin"
Unknown Beatle
(2,672 posts)with Obama winning. I don't see them canceling on Coulter if Robme had won. The college republicans looked at the political landscape and saw overwhelming evidence that the country is left leaning and that Coulter is just a right wing political hack on steroids. Coulter would have made them look like extremists repukes.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)I think they were getting too much flack from the college itself and chickened out... may due to financial reasons as someone pointed out above.
newspeak
(4,847 posts)and learn what the republican party once stood for. even goldwater is too liberal for today's repugs and he's not a liberal. or even an eisenhower repug, oh, he may be too liberal also. and lincoln, why he's nothing but a damn traitor-all that freeing of slaves and stepping on states' rights.
well, there's still snowe, chaffee (that informed us about the cheney meeting before little boots even took office) and I believe there's another repug who had enough integrity initially not to vote for the big pharma-screw-the-elderly giveaway bill(he was threatened).
there are some decent repugs, but they've been purged from their own party because some were too honest, not greedy enough and listened to their constituents once in a awhile instead of prostituting themselves to any corporation.
struggle4progress
(118,309 posts)Ann Coulter was infamous for her hatreds a decade ago:
E-mails Still Support Paper's Coulter Cancellation
posted: 9/9/2002
by: Dave Astor
... After the State College, Pa., Centre Daily Times dropped the conservative Coulter last week, more than 95% of the 4,000-plus e-mails it received supported the cancellation ...
The Coulter column angering the Centre Daily Times said Republicans are nicer than they should be to liberals. "I will say that there is only one thing wrong with liberals: they're no good," she wrote, later calling the Kennedys "a family of heroin addicts, statutory rapists, convicted and unconvicted female-killers, cheaters, bootleggers, and dissolute drunks."
Unger responded in a column addressed to Coulter: "You're fired. ... You are either a hater or a hypocrite who calls names and spews enmity because you believe it will get your pretty face on television more or sell more copies of your best-selling books. ... I'm not going to defend the Kennedy family or liberals. ... But, Ann, you're mean -- vicious, really -- which is why we do not believe that you in any way serve the public good" ...
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/Archive/E-mails-Still-Support-Paper-s-Coulter-Cancellation
aletier_v
(1,773 posts)she became much more "controversial". At the time I chalked it up as differentiating herself from the rightwing herd. Im not surprised if her previous reputation still floats around.
struggle4progress
(118,309 posts)aletier_v
(1,773 posts)i think she took her cue from Rush, an adopted an almost cartoonish outlandish persona.
Baitball Blogger
(46,746 posts)Canuckistanian
(42,290 posts)Is this a joke?
Coulter's poo-flinging is EASILY searchable.
Beartracks
(12,816 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)CrazyOrangeCat
(6,112 posts)I don't want anything for Christmas. Just want to hear the replay when Rush's diseased brain finally, permanantly explodes . . .
BouzoukiKing
(163 posts)Grey Poupon, but of course.
randome
(34,845 posts)Remember where you were when her transformation began!
Faygo Kid
(21,478 posts)Just pure hatred, like Limbaugh. Her time has come and gone.
ReasonableToo
(505 posts)WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)No transformation... same shit, different decade.
amborin
(16,631 posts)HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)CurtEastPoint
(18,652 posts)NC_Nurse
(11,646 posts)or even how to use "the Google"? PUHLEEZE!
Nice try, jackasses! LOL
tarheelsunc
(2,117 posts)Beartracks
(12,816 posts)It sounds like this group might've realized that, sometimes opposition just means you're wrong.
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BouzoukiKing
(163 posts)No, really.
Beartracks
(12,816 posts)My contempt is more obvious in-person.
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BouzoukiKing
(163 posts)But that's the big problem with living on the left wing - we were raised right, figured stuff out right, and we're all mostly too damn polite. As the wheel of politics grinds on, I'm beginning to wonder if politeness is all that valuable - at least politically.
Those scumbunnies in the House are going to try to walk all over us. Again. We'll see how it goes.
I feel a lot better having Grayson back in there.
AlGoreRhythms
(111 posts)knows her ridiculous views and hateful thoughts
bunch of liars
Justice
(7,188 posts)Great they made the decision before the president's public statement. The president's statement eas fantastic.
Caeser67
(156 posts)We lost the election and we have nothing else.
Funny how Republicans only see shit AFTER it happens. Did you not THINK that Ann Coulter's appearance would cause controversy.
Please. Had Romney won the election, she would have gotten an Honorary Doctorate from them.
Forward.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)From the President of Fordham University (Father McShane)
"To say that I am disappointed with the judgment and maturity of the College Republicans, however, would be a tremendous understatement. There are many people who can speak to the conservative point of view with integrity and conviction, but Ms. Coulter is not among them. Her rhetoric is often hateful and needlessly provocative more heat than light and her message is aimed squarely at the darker side of our nature."
Utopian Leftist
(534 posts)add one more 6 and you'd have Coulter's number down perfectly.
russspeakeasy
(6,539 posts)nolabear
(41,987 posts)Initech
(100,087 posts)Initech
(100,087 posts)YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)Oh please, as if we all don't know Ann Coulter and the vile she spews. I was hoping they'd shave her head and put a dunce cap on her head and march her through the campus.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)place. Critical thinking was considered an important part of the learning process.
tpsbmam
(3,927 posts)<snip>
To say that I am disappointed with the judgment and maturity of the College Republicans, however, would be a tremendous understatement. There are many people who can speak to the conservative point of view with integrity and conviction, but Ms. Coulter is not among them. Her rhetoric is often hateful and needlessly provocative more heat than light and her message is aimed squarely at the darker side of our nature.
As members of a Jesuit institution, we are called upon to deal with one another with civility and compassion, not to sling mud and impugn the motives of those with whom we disagree or to engage in racial or social stereotyping. In the wake of several bias incidents last spring, I told the University community that I hold out great contempt for anyone who would intentionally inflict pain on another human being because of their race, gender, sexual orientation, or creed.
Disgust was the word I used to sum up my feelings about those incidents. Hate speech, name-calling, and incivility are completely at odds with the Jesuit ideals that have always guided and animated Fordham.
Still, to prohibit Ms. Coulter from speaking at Fordham would be to do greater violence to the academy, and to the Jesuit tradition of fearless and robust engagement. Preventing Ms. Coulter from speaking would counter one wrong with another. The old saw goes that the answer to bad speech is more speech. This is especially true at a university, and I fully expect our students, faculty, alumni, parents, and staff to voice their opposition, civilly and respectfully, and forcefully.
I'm in awe, Father McShane! What a brilliant statement! He goes on to say the college Republicans had "unwittingly provided Fordham with a test of its character." IMO, if it's a test of his character, he passes with flying colors! Wow!
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)And they also know what a bigot looks and sounds like.
Panasonic
(2,921 posts)Fordham and Regis University are well-known Jesuit colleges.
Regis just "lost" one of their baseball coaches to the MLB - Walt Weiss was a former Regis HS coach before being asked to manage for a year for the hapless Rockies. If anybody can turn it around, it's probably Weiss. He knows the game, the fundamentals of baseball, and is now emphasizing hitting as the key to success.
Walt Weiss holds a World Series ring with the A's, and have had many years of experience playing shortstop, including a 4 year stint with the Rockies where he was extremely popular in the clubhouse.
exboyfil
(17,863 posts)crim son
(27,464 posts)you will be forced to see Coulter's picture!
upi402
(16,854 posts)oopsie!
We all know Coulter's gig - obviously.
ballaratocker
(126 posts)Maybe the election results have forced some people to evaluate the company that they keep?
Nika
(546 posts)Mayberry Machiavelli
(21,096 posts)but a dean or someone high up reviewed it and shamed them into rescinding the invite.
BeHereNow
(17,162 posts)into rescinding the invitation.
They thought they could get away with it; that no one was watching.
Apparently someone was and they deserve recognition for shutting it down.
Furthermore....
I don't believe a word of their "apology."
They got caught, that is all.
Little shit heads.
Like most republicans, they think they are above ethical and moral behavior.
BHN
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)Thank you for bringing this. I'm glad to hear that she won't be speaking.
muntrv
(14,505 posts)Stinky The Clown
(67,809 posts)"We really want Ann, but we have to try to appear normal an caring."
BeHereNow
(17,162 posts)bhn
Lebam in LA
(1,345 posts)Last edited Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:35 PM - Edit history (1)
She was uninvited because they under estimated the backlash this witch would generate. Anyone that does not know what she is about is either not paying attention or lying.
BeHereNow
(17,162 posts)And I would wager that Father McShane is a powerful figure in their academic
setting. (On edit: He is the president of the school )
They wrote their "apology" to APPEAR remorseful for their actions
simply as a last minute dodge of the criticism they deserved and
to try to salvage their standing on the campus and academic peers.
Father McShane will be getting an email from me congratulating him
on the way he handled the situation.
It is likely his letter will cost the school financially, by way of donations
from wealthy republicans, and therefore it took courage for him
to write it and make his STRONG sentiments public.
Rock on Father McShane!
May the souls of good people continue to reject and expose
the hatred of a few.
BHN
pipewrench
(194 posts)fantastic link Enrique, thanks.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Can we step outside the sea of propaganda that we have been marinated in for the past 30 years? Is it possible that we are seeing the start of an awakening?
Keep talking. Keep educating. Keep telling the truth. America is starting to wake up.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)What nose is this? Ann Coulter's not exactly an obscure voice, guys... You knew exactly what she was about, what she says, what she does, when you invited her. Don't try to fake.i
jsmirman
(4,507 posts)she's a nasty troll.
She should be repudiated by everyone, not just people on our side of the political fence.
JI7
(89,254 posts)Enrique
(27,461 posts)Milt Rosenberg in Chicago, a neoconservative professor in Chicago that does a call-in show. She was scheduled to be on for the whole two hour show, but he ended the interview after about 15 min. He said that her routine didn't belong on his show and it did his audience a disservice. That was ten years ago, if anything she has ramped up her hate act since then.
Read the students' explanation that I put in the OP, and even more, read the Fordham president's statement, at the link. It makes perfect sense to me. Every time I see Coulter on TV I am disgusted because I think the TV shows should make the same judgement.