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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:08 AM Nov 2012

REPORT: Boehner Tells House Members That GOP Lost Badly, And That They Can't Afford Debt Showdown

http://www.businessinsider.com/report-boehner-tells-gop-house-members-to-avoid-a-major-showdown-2012-11



This is the first hint that the GOP will not attempt to go to the mat in the Fiscal Cliff fight, as it did during the debt ceiling fight of 2011.

Jonathan Weisman and Jennifer Steinhauer at the NYT report that Boehner told his caucus to get in line, and acknowledge the reality that the GOP got whooped in the election, and is weakened:

'Their party lost, badly, Mr. Boehner said, and while Republicans would still control the House and would continue to staunchly oppose tax rate increases as Congress grapples with the impending fiscal battle, they had to avoid the nasty showdowns that marked so much of the last two years.

Members on the call, subdued and dark, murmured words of support — even a few who had been a thorn in the speaker’s side for much of this Congress.'

The array of tax hikes and spending cuts that will come into force in January is of serious concern in an economy that remains quite weak, with high unemployment.


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/report-boehner-tells-gop-house-members-to-avoid-a-major-showdown-2012-11#ixzz2Bv32KoIS
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REPORT: Boehner Tells House Members That GOP Lost Badly, And That They Can't Afford Debt Showdown (Original Post) xchrom Nov 2012 OP
Good! They got their -sses kicked TVet Nov 2012 #1
but they will continue their blustering phoney worrying about the deficit while using terms like charmay Nov 2012 #2
Then we must use "retirement and health care" as opposed to "entitlements." CBHagman Nov 2012 #8
Let's also use the term "paid benefits" for SS and Medicare because that's what they are. nt brush Nov 2012 #13
I will be shocked if he quietly acquiesces on the tax issue. trouble.smith Nov 2012 #3
He's scared sh*tless about 2014. Good. Freddie Nov 2012 #4
This sounds like more doublespeak to me. drm604 Nov 2012 #5
He's throwing a piece of meat Le Taz Hot Nov 2012 #17
So America is no longer ending if Obama passes a single bill? FSogol Nov 2012 #6
i believe he will be forced into retirement in 2014 Heather MC Nov 2012 #19
They should be arrested for what they have already done oldbanjo Nov 2012 #21
I thought this was coming. DCBob Nov 2012 #7
Both his and Cantor's states Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #9
Was Eric Cantor trying to throw gasoline on Boner during the call? Did Cantor SDjack Nov 2012 #10
I wonder if Cantor was the "thorn in the side" described flamingdem Nov 2012 #34
I'll believe it when I see it. bunnies Nov 2012 #11
How soon we forget Cantor's ambitions... ReRe Nov 2012 #29
Same here. If Boner doesn't become an american and work for the best interests of the country, then bluestate10 Nov 2012 #33
Top tax rate increase. Period. Full stop. End of conversation. alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #12
Boehner's days as speaker are numbered. Teabaggers will kick him out and put in a more fervent AlinPA Nov 2012 #14
I don't think there are enough 'Baggers in the cacucs to oust him anymore.. Volaris Nov 2012 #22
There are not enough moderates left in the GOP House to fill a Chevey van. Boehner is not a AlinPA Nov 2012 #36
2 choices. Let *ush tax cuts expire. Taxes up accross the board. Tax $250,000+ @ Clinton rates. Tigress DEM Nov 2012 #15
subdued and dark Osiris Neits Nov 2012 #16
No, because I too feel that rush of joy I've been waiting to feel for far too long. classof56 Nov 2012 #25
Boner knows if it wasn't for the post 2010 election Gerrymandering the Rs would have Botany Nov 2012 #18
We need to be ready when Obama serves up our SS to compromise. Dustlawyer Nov 2012 #20
You have to actually connect to these people theaocp Nov 2012 #24
They need to get over their SCVDem Nov 2012 #23
Boehner should take a stand, tell Grover Norquist to jump over the cliff. Thinkingabout Nov 2012 #26
He's throwing up pieces of solid food...I'll beleive him Tutonic Nov 2012 #27
Actions will speak louder than words Progressive dog Nov 2012 #28
Much as it pains me to say this... Jeff In Milwaukee Nov 2012 #30
Disagree.... magical thyme Nov 2012 #31
President Obama can't pass legislation in the House. Boehner can. Jeff In Milwaukee Nov 2012 #32
He can't pass anything. Paulie Nov 2012 #35
Again, when President Obama lets the Bush tax cuts expire and the MIC gets their budget cuts magical thyme Nov 2012 #37
after last week, there is no TEA party really. they were the biggest losers in 2012. trouble.smith Nov 2012 #38
60% of republicans now agree with them. They still hold the House hostage...however magical thyme Nov 2012 #39
They can agree all they want. They're all powerless and inefectual now. trouble.smith Nov 2012 #41
I don't like it hfojvt Nov 2012 #40
K&R one_voice Nov 2012 #42

TVet

(15 posts)
1. Good! They got their -sses kicked
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:12 AM
Nov 2012

Now they are waking up that everyone is tired of "The Party of No."

charmay

(525 posts)
2. but they will continue their blustering phoney worrying about the deficit while using terms like
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:29 AM
Nov 2012

entitlements, job creators, fiscal cliff etc. All the while protecting tax cuts for the rich and attacking the middle class and poor.

CBHagman

(16,987 posts)
8. Then we must use "retirement and health care" as opposed to "entitlements."
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:49 AM
Nov 2012

And we must demand those with top incomes have their taxes restored back to a proportionate share. Frame it as a fairness issue and keep it coming.

 

trouble.smith

(374 posts)
3. I will be shocked if he quietly acquiesces on the tax issue.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:34 AM
Nov 2012

I think both sides will work together to find a way to disagree so that neither side is left without plausible deniability when the blame game starts.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
5. This sounds like more doublespeak to me.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:40 AM
Nov 2012
'Their party lost, badly, Mr. Boehner said, and while Republicans would still control the House and would continue to staunchly oppose tax rate increases as Congress grapples with the impending fiscal battle, they had to avoid the nasty showdowns that marked so much of the last two years.
They're going to avoid showdowns while staunchly opposing tax rate increases? How does that work?

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
17. He's throwing a piece of meat
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:41 AM
Nov 2012

to the Party Faithful. They can "staunchly oppose" what they want in public but the politicos w/i the Republican Party know what time it is. They got their asses kicked and they're stuck, for the moment, with the TeaKlanners and uber-Conservatives. That's who he's talking to.

FSogol

(45,501 posts)
6. So America is no longer ending if Obama passes a single bill?
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:43 AM
Nov 2012
You and your party's action have been nothing less than treasonous the last 4 years, Boehner. Best retire in 2014.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
7. I thought this was coming.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:43 AM
Nov 2012

They are being pressured from almost all sides to make a deal... especially the CEOs and billionaires who stand to lose alot of their obscene wealth if we go over the "cliff".

 

Anthony McCarthy

(507 posts)
9. Both his and Cantor's states
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:02 AM
Nov 2012

voted for Obama.

The Republicans are feeling the pressure, we have to increase that pressure all the time.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
29. How soon we forget Cantor's ambitions...
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:11 PM
Nov 2012

... Mr Tea party himself... He wants to sit where Boehner is sitting, as Speaker of the House. Incidentally, that may be what Boehner is trying to do...to keep Cantor/Tea Party in check. I think maybe Boehner is thinking about the history books at this point... his legacy as the Speaker of the House? Nahhhhh. Maybe I'm biased (I am ), but I can't imagine that his term as Speaker could be interpreted as a success. As far as the country goes, his (and McConnell's Sen leadership) tenure could be truthfully described as a total failure, since they would not work with the House/Sen Democrats to pass desperately needed legislation to create jobs, or any number of other bills that are just sitting there, ready to to be debated and passed. Besides that, I'm hearing mixed messages out of Boehner's mouth, seems like every day since the election. But it all comes back to this: They can't be trusted. Their party screwed this country for 8 long years before PO was elected, and for the last two years have stopped everything... They were soooooooo sure that PO would be defeated. They were banking on it. But they fell flat on their faces, are in disarray, and frankly probably don't know what to do now. It is so dangerous to have such crazed political zealots holding this country back.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
33. Same here. If Boner doesn't become an american and work for the best interests of the country, then
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:04 PM
Nov 2012

when his party stands for re-election in 2014, we need to in modification of the words of the Ragin Cajun, "We need to make oak meet skull". The actual statement was pine meet skull, but I think oak is stronger and harder and delivers a better message.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
12. Top tax rate increase. Period. Full stop. End of conversation.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:07 AM
Nov 2012

This is the compromise: taxes remain at current levels for households under $250,000, and individuals under $200,000.

That's the compromise position.

Boehner can eat a top tax rate return to fiscally responsible levels, or he can eat a tax rate return to fiscally responsible levels for everyone. Those are his options.

Obama should let the tax rates return to fiscally responsible levels, then put it on the House to pass a temporary cut for income under the threshold. Finis. No other negotiation is necessary.

AlinPA

(15,071 posts)
14. Boehner's days as speaker are numbered. Teabaggers will kick him out and put in a more fervent
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:28 AM
Nov 2012

right-winger. They will not abide any compromise. He's far right, but there are others more rabid.

Volaris

(10,273 posts)
22. I don't think there are enough 'Baggers in the cacucs to oust him anymore..
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:55 AM
Nov 2012

besides, if he has any respect for his own Manhood, he will tell them "Fuck you, we tried it your way for 2 years and look where that got us. Now, were doing it the OTHER way (the RESPONSIBLE way) and if you don't like it, ill show up in your district in a year, and endorse a Moderate Primary challenger, and you can kiss my Mr. Speaker ASS.

AlinPA

(15,071 posts)
36. There are not enough moderates left in the GOP House to fill a Chevey van. Boehner is not a
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:39 PM
Nov 2012

moderate, either.

Tigress DEM

(7,887 posts)
15. 2 choices. Let *ush tax cuts expire. Taxes up accross the board. Tax $250,000+ @ Clinton rates.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:30 AM
Nov 2012

Those making $250,000+ CAN afford it and while there will be whining and retaliation of some sort, it won't be as bad as raising taxes on EVERYONE because they can BLAME Obama if they compromise and will have to TAKE the blame if they don't.


 

Osiris Neits

(7 posts)
16. subdued and dark
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:40 AM
Nov 2012
Members on the call, subdued and dark, murmured words of support — even a few who had been a thorn in the speaker’s side for much of this Congress.'


Oh, how I have waited for those teabilly thugs to be knocked down a few pegs. I felt a rush of joy reading these words. Does that make me a bad person?

classof56

(5,376 posts)
25. No, because I too feel that rush of joy I've been waiting to feel for far too long.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:34 AM
Nov 2012

And I'm certainly not a bad person!

Welcome to DU!

Botany

(70,537 posts)
18. Boner knows if it wasn't for the post 2010 election Gerrymandering the Rs would have
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:43 AM
Nov 2012

..... lost the House too. Look @ Ohio we went for Obama, we went for Sen. Brown,
and Dems out number Repugs by a nice margin and yet we only have 4 of the 16
Congressional seats.

The President has the bully pulpit and he can bash a do nothing Congress big time.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
20. We need to be ready when Obama serves up our SS to compromise.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:55 AM
Nov 2012

We have to let him know it is not on the table! Fuck raising the age above when we all die. Ask a mechanic or a garbage man to work longer, their bodies cannot do it! It defeats the purpose to keep it out of reach!

theaocp

(4,241 posts)
24. You have to actually connect to these people
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:30 AM
Nov 2012

before you can empathize with them. Obama wants the grand bargain so bad. Why? Who the fuck knows? I might be branded a traitor for suggesting the obvious. Sorry.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
23. They need to get over their
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:04 AM
Nov 2012

fixation on religion and women.

That's all they focused on for the last 2 years.

I want our President to start a budget speech with the remark, "About being a one term President...", and then look directly at McConnell. Then smile!

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
26. Boehner should take a stand, tell Grover Norquist to jump over the cliff.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:36 AM
Nov 2012

If Grover targets the oath takers for defeat, it will probably result in Democrats getting many of those positions. What control will Grover have over Democrats, NONE. Go ahead Grover, deliver Congress to Democrats.

Progressive dog

(6,905 posts)
28. Actions will speak louder than words
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:07 PM
Nov 2012

He has and probably will do anything to remain speaker. I expect that the so-called fiscal cliff will be driven over before Boehner will be forced to act. If and when he does act, his days as speaker will be all over but the voting.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
30. Much as it pains me to say this...
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:14 PM
Nov 2012

The White House needs to support Boehner. Conservative Republican that he is, he's one of the last "adults in the room" in the Republican Party. If Boehner falls victim to a "palace coup," you can bet that whoever takes his place will be even worse.

Edit: Just did some looking. I went to the League of Conservation Voters Congressional Scorecard because the environment should be at least a little more non-partisan than, say, abortion rights. And some of those Republicans are hunters and have a healthy respect for habitats.

Not so much. The highest-ranked Republican was Chris Smith from New Jersey, who clocked in at only 60%. Better than many Democrats, but still not very promising for the "head of the class." Smith and Frank LoBiondo (also of New Jersey) were the only two Republicans who came in at better than 50%.

Just for the record, Jane Harmon of California was the lowest-ranked Democrat at just 11%. Really? 11%?

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
31. Disagree....
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:33 PM
Nov 2012

As posted above, the MIC, Wall Street financiers and some others in the billionaires club face major pain if we go "over the fiscal cliff." Far more pain than paying their fare share in taxes would cause.

Therefore, behind the scenes they now have President Obama's back. They did everything they could to get rid of him...he now holds a sledge hammer over their heads as well as the house. The difference is they're smart enough to realize it.

By going public early and drawing a line in the sand, President Obama doesn't need to get ugly and he hasn't negotiated away the store before even sitting at the negotiating table. He has put it on the house to act like grown ups or face the wrath of their financial backers.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
32. President Obama can't pass legislation in the House. Boehner can.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:45 PM
Nov 2012

And Boehner is going to need some political cover fire to get this done.

Paulie

(8,462 posts)
35. He can't pass anything.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:19 PM
Nov 2012

He couldn't bargain in good faith with then President. When he tried he got spanked by the baggers during the debt ceiling manufactured crisis. Unless he brings people who will vote with the Dems nothing will be passed by him.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
37. Again, when President Obama lets the Bush tax cuts expire and the MIC gets their budget cuts
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 04:21 PM
Nov 2012

and the Wall Streeters feel the market swoon, they will come down on the Tea Partiers like a guinea hen on a tick.

The rightwing nutcases depend on the financial backing of the 1%. They are the ones that need the deal and control the votes.

Conversely, after President Obama lets all the cuts expire, he can offer a tax cut on the first $250K of income (or, if he's smart, on the first $150K of income) combined with restoration of military and social spending to the house to take or leave.

President Obama set them up. They took the bait because they were so sure they'd replace him with one of their nutjobs. Now its game on, and since President Obama set the trap, I suspect he knows how to work it. In fact, given that his first move out of the box was to draw a line in the sand, I'm sure he knows how to work it.

 

trouble.smith

(374 posts)
38. after last week, there is no TEA party really. they were the biggest losers in 2012.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:08 PM
Nov 2012

They have just yet to figure it out.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
39. 60% of republicans now agree with them. They still hold the House hostage...however
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:20 PM
Nov 2012

neocon William Kristol is already calling for them to compromise and suggesting a little tax increase on millionaires and billionaires won't destroy the economy.

I had barely posted the above, when I saw the national standard article. I didn't think it would take long for pnac to see the handwriting on the wall.

 

trouble.smith

(374 posts)
41. They can agree all they want. They're all powerless and inefectual now.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:29 PM
Nov 2012

They imploded and took their agenda and their party down with them. they're fucked as is every issue they care about.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
40. I don't like it
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:29 PM
Nov 2012

this, is the key battle "Republicans would still control the House and would continue to staunchly oppose tax rate increases"

So in his statement here, Boehner is just angling for a deal that creates some kind of "revenue increasing 'reform'" while maintaining low rates for the rich.

And my fear continues to be that Obama and leading Democrats would take such a deal rather than fighting for the working class and against the rich.

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