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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsREPORT: Boehner Tells House Members That GOP Lost Badly, And That They Can't Afford Debt Showdown
http://www.businessinsider.com/report-boehner-tells-gop-house-members-to-avoid-a-major-showdown-2012-11This is the first hint that the GOP will not attempt to go to the mat in the Fiscal Cliff fight, as it did during the debt ceiling fight of 2011.
Jonathan Weisman and Jennifer Steinhauer at the NYT report that Boehner told his caucus to get in line, and acknowledge the reality that the GOP got whooped in the election, and is weakened:
'Their party lost, badly, Mr. Boehner said, and while Republicans would still control the House and would continue to staunchly oppose tax rate increases as Congress grapples with the impending fiscal battle, they had to avoid the nasty showdowns that marked so much of the last two years.
Members on the call, subdued and dark, murmured words of support even a few who had been a thorn in the speakers side for much of this Congress.'
The array of tax hikes and spending cuts that will come into force in January is of serious concern in an economy that remains quite weak, with high unemployment.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/report-boehner-tells-gop-house-members-to-avoid-a-major-showdown-2012-11#ixzz2Bv32KoIS
TVet
(15 posts)Now they are waking up that everyone is tired of "The Party of No."
charmay
(525 posts)entitlements, job creators, fiscal cliff etc. All the while protecting tax cuts for the rich and attacking the middle class and poor.
CBHagman
(16,987 posts)And we must demand those with top incomes have their taxes restored back to a proportionate share. Frame it as a fairness issue and keep it coming.
brush
(53,801 posts)trouble.smith
(374 posts)I think both sides will work together to find a way to disagree so that neither side is left without plausible deniability when the blame game starts.
Freddie
(9,269 posts)drm604
(16,230 posts)Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)to the Party Faithful. They can "staunchly oppose" what they want in public but the politicos w/i the Republican Party know what time it is. They got their asses kicked and they're stuck, for the moment, with the TeaKlanners and uber-Conservatives. That's who he's talking to.
FSogol
(45,501 posts)Heather MC
(8,084 posts)oldbanjo
(690 posts)to this Country.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)They are being pressured from almost all sides to make a deal... especially the CEOs and billionaires who stand to lose alot of their obscene wealth if we go over the "cliff".
Anthony McCarthy
(507 posts)voted for Obama.
The Republicans are feeling the pressure, we have to increase that pressure all the time.
SDjack
(1,448 posts)fall into line?
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)in the article.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)Pardon my skepticism.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... Mr Tea party himself... He wants to sit where Boehner is sitting, as Speaker of the House. Incidentally, that may be what Boehner is trying to do...to keep Cantor/Tea Party in check. I think maybe Boehner is thinking about the history books at this point... his legacy as the Speaker of the House? Nahhhhh. Maybe I'm biased (I am ), but I can't imagine that his term as Speaker could be interpreted as a success. As far as the country goes, his (and McConnell's Sen leadership) tenure could be truthfully described as a total failure, since they would not work with the House/Sen Democrats to pass desperately needed legislation to create jobs, or any number of other bills that are just sitting there, ready to to be debated and passed. Besides that, I'm hearing mixed messages out of Boehner's mouth, seems like every day since the election. But it all comes back to this: They can't be trusted. Their party screwed this country for 8 long years before PO was elected, and for the last two years have stopped everything... They were soooooooo sure that PO would be defeated. They were banking on it. But they fell flat on their faces, are in disarray, and frankly probably don't know what to do now. It is so dangerous to have such crazed political zealots holding this country back.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)when his party stands for re-election in 2014, we need to in modification of the words of the Ragin Cajun, "We need to make oak meet skull". The actual statement was pine meet skull, but I think oak is stronger and harder and delivers a better message.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)This is the compromise: taxes remain at current levels for households under $250,000, and individuals under $200,000.
That's the compromise position.
Boehner can eat a top tax rate return to fiscally responsible levels, or he can eat a tax rate return to fiscally responsible levels for everyone. Those are his options.
Obama should let the tax rates return to fiscally responsible levels, then put it on the House to pass a temporary cut for income under the threshold. Finis. No other negotiation is necessary.
AlinPA
(15,071 posts)right-winger. They will not abide any compromise. He's far right, but there are others more rabid.
Volaris
(10,273 posts)besides, if he has any respect for his own Manhood, he will tell them "Fuck you, we tried it your way for 2 years and look where that got us. Now, were doing it the OTHER way (the RESPONSIBLE way) and if you don't like it, ill show up in your district in a year, and endorse a Moderate Primary challenger, and you can kiss my Mr. Speaker ASS.
AlinPA
(15,071 posts)moderate, either.
Tigress DEM
(7,887 posts)Those making $250,000+ CAN afford it and while there will be whining and retaliation of some sort, it won't be as bad as raising taxes on EVERYONE because they can BLAME Obama if they compromise and will have to TAKE the blame if they don't.
Osiris Neits
(7 posts)Members on the call, subdued and dark, murmured words of support even a few who had been a thorn in the speakers side for much of this Congress.'
Oh, how I have waited for those teabilly thugs to be knocked down a few pegs. I felt a rush of joy reading these words. Does that make me a bad person?
classof56
(5,376 posts)And I'm certainly not a bad person!
Welcome to DU!
Botany
(70,537 posts)..... lost the House too. Look @ Ohio we went for Obama, we went for Sen. Brown,
and Dems out number Repugs by a nice margin and yet we only have 4 of the 16
Congressional seats.
The President has the bully pulpit and he can bash a do nothing Congress big time.
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)We have to let him know it is not on the table! Fuck raising the age above when we all die. Ask a mechanic or a garbage man to work longer, their bodies cannot do it! It defeats the purpose to keep it out of reach!
theaocp
(4,241 posts)before you can empathize with them. Obama wants the grand bargain so bad. Why? Who the fuck knows? I might be branded a traitor for suggesting the obvious. Sorry.
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)fixation on religion and women.
That's all they focused on for the last 2 years.
I want our President to start a budget speech with the remark, "About being a one term President...", and then look directly at McConnell. Then smile!
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)If Grover targets the oath takers for defeat, it will probably result in Democrats getting many of those positions. What control will Grover have over Democrats, NONE. Go ahead Grover, deliver Congress to Democrats.
Tutonic
(2,522 posts)when he's throwing up bile.
Progressive dog
(6,905 posts)He has and probably will do anything to remain speaker. I expect that the so-called fiscal cliff will be driven over before Boehner will be forced to act. If and when he does act, his days as speaker will be all over but the voting.
Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)The White House needs to support Boehner. Conservative Republican that he is, he's one of the last "adults in the room" in the Republican Party. If Boehner falls victim to a "palace coup," you can bet that whoever takes his place will be even worse.
Edit: Just did some looking. I went to the League of Conservation Voters Congressional Scorecard because the environment should be at least a little more non-partisan than, say, abortion rights. And some of those Republicans are hunters and have a healthy respect for habitats.
Not so much. The highest-ranked Republican was Chris Smith from New Jersey, who clocked in at only 60%. Better than many Democrats, but still not very promising for the "head of the class." Smith and Frank LoBiondo (also of New Jersey) were the only two Republicans who came in at better than 50%.
Just for the record, Jane Harmon of California was the lowest-ranked Democrat at just 11%. Really? 11%?
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)As posted above, the MIC, Wall Street financiers and some others in the billionaires club face major pain if we go "over the fiscal cliff." Far more pain than paying their fare share in taxes would cause.
Therefore, behind the scenes they now have President Obama's back. They did everything they could to get rid of him...he now holds a sledge hammer over their heads as well as the house. The difference is they're smart enough to realize it.
By going public early and drawing a line in the sand, President Obama doesn't need to get ugly and he hasn't negotiated away the store before even sitting at the negotiating table. He has put it on the house to act like grown ups or face the wrath of their financial backers.
Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)And Boehner is going to need some political cover fire to get this done.
Paulie
(8,462 posts)He couldn't bargain in good faith with then President. When he tried he got spanked by the baggers during the debt ceiling manufactured crisis. Unless he brings people who will vote with the Dems nothing will be passed by him.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)and the Wall Streeters feel the market swoon, they will come down on the Tea Partiers like a guinea hen on a tick.
The rightwing nutcases depend on the financial backing of the 1%. They are the ones that need the deal and control the votes.
Conversely, after President Obama lets all the cuts expire, he can offer a tax cut on the first $250K of income (or, if he's smart, on the first $150K of income) combined with restoration of military and social spending to the house to take or leave.
President Obama set them up. They took the bait because they were so sure they'd replace him with one of their nutjobs. Now its game on, and since President Obama set the trap, I suspect he knows how to work it. In fact, given that his first move out of the box was to draw a line in the sand, I'm sure he knows how to work it.
trouble.smith
(374 posts)They have just yet to figure it out.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)neocon William Kristol is already calling for them to compromise and suggesting a little tax increase on millionaires and billionaires won't destroy the economy.
I had barely posted the above, when I saw the national standard article. I didn't think it would take long for pnac to see the handwriting on the wall.
trouble.smith
(374 posts)They imploded and took their agenda and their party down with them. they're fucked as is every issue they care about.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)this, is the key battle "Republicans would still control the House and would continue to staunchly oppose tax rate increases"
So in his statement here, Boehner is just angling for a deal that creates some kind of "revenue increasing 'reform'" while maintaining low rates for the rich.
And my fear continues to be that Obama and leading Democrats would take such a deal rather than fighting for the working class and against the rich.