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amborin

(16,631 posts)
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 02:37 PM Nov 2012

MSM: 286 EC Votes = Mandate for Bush .......332 EC Votes Not A Mandate for Obama

When Is a Mandate Not a Mandate?

Different standards for different elections--and parties

When it comes to explaining election results, there's no precise way to determine whether voters gave the winner a "mandate"--defined by Oxford as "the authority to carry out a policy, regarded as given by the electorate to a party or candidate that wins an election." That makes it interesting to see how media use the expression--and which presidents they think earned one.

286 electoral votes = a mandate.

In 2004, George W. Bush won 50.7 percent of the popular vote over Democrat John Kerry, and had a 286-251 edge in electoral votes.

As FAIR noted (Media Advisory, 11/5/04), many outlets proclaimed that to be a "mandate." "Clear Mandate Will Boost Bush's Authority, Reach," read a USA Today headline (11/4/04); NPR's Renee Montaigne said (11/3/04), "By any definition, I think you could call this a mandate."

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303 to 332 electoral votes = not a mandate.

On CBS Evening News (11/7/12), Bob Schieffer declared, "In the hard world of American politics, the president did not get a mandate yesterday."

On the NPR website (11/7/12), a headline was "For Obama, Vindication, But Not a Mandate." The Washington Post's Dan Balz (11/7/12) called it "an uncertain mandate, although Obama will attempt to claim one."

While USA Today declared Bush's 2004 victory a mandate, the front-page of the paper the day after the election bore the headline "A Nation Moving Further Apart."

CNN pundit Gloria Borger (11/7/12) put it this way: "So what kind of a mandate does he have? His mandate is to fix things. And I think that's about as far as it really goes."

And Time magazine's Joe Klein (11/7/12) declared that "the election was a mandate for moderation," adding:

As Washington Post columnist Kathleen Parker (11/7/12) put it, "If this election provided any mandate at all, it is that we set aside our special interests and work together before it's too late."


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http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=4648

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MSM: 286 EC Votes = Mandate for Bush .......332 EC Votes Not A Mandate for Obama (Original Post) amborin Nov 2012 OP
MSM works for them, is owned by them, and their front-people are well paid. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #1
that's a great quote eom amborin Nov 2012 #10
. Go Vols Nov 2012 #2
ROFL! GMTA! RomneyLies Nov 2012 #5
exactly! amborin Nov 2012 #11
Same bastards saying no mandate for Obama were declaring more than 300 EVs a LANDSLIDE RomneyLies Nov 2012 #3
the winner has to CLAIM the mandate and act like it. not a media thing at all nt msongs Nov 2012 #4
totally agree; amborin Nov 2012 #12
I remember Bush and Rove saying any victory was a mandate and the media agreed! pa28 Nov 2012 #6
The Texas Con, Peter Morrison, the "maggots" are in corporate media BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #7
totally agree; amborin Nov 2012 #13
these fossils still think they posses some mythical knowledge no one else has madrchsod Nov 2012 #8
yes, amborin Nov 2012 #14
NPR used to supposed to be progressive and independent. To me they're an extension of the joke. vaberella Nov 2012 #9
yes, they drank the koolaid long ago.... amborin Nov 2012 #16
Cock Brothers bongbong Nov 2012 #17
A mandate is determined by the popular vote, not the Electoral College democrattotheend Nov 2012 #15
Bush held the house in 2004. Ruby the Liberal Nov 2012 #18
Make no mistake about it, President Obama does have a mandate. Major Hogwash Nov 2012 #19
alternative graphic krkaufman Nov 2012 #20
206 to 332 Flying Squirrel Nov 2012 #21
 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
1. MSM works for them, is owned by them, and their front-people are well paid.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 02:43 PM
Nov 2012

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his job depends on not understanding it." - Upton Sinclair

 

RomneyLies

(3,333 posts)
3. Same bastards saying no mandate for Obama were declaring more than 300 EVs a LANDSLIDE
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 02:46 PM
Nov 2012

when they were predicting that for Romney:

pa28

(6,145 posts)
6. I remember Bush and Rove saying any victory was a mandate and the media agreed!
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 02:55 PM
Nov 2012

The clear double standard and bias toward conservative viewpoints is the reason I just avoid corporate news now. Too aggravating.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
7. The Texas Con, Peter Morrison, the "maggots" are in corporate media
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 03:03 PM
Nov 2012

and rightwing pundits disguised as journalists who are now out in force attempting to claim that President Obama doesn't have a mandate (in order to weaken him) when each and every Rightwing pundit claimed a mandate for Romney should he win above and beyond 300 EC votes.

I guess it *is* true, that a black person has to work three times as hard for the same recognition because this fallacy permeates each and every corporate media bobble-heads' idiotic declarations hoping to convince the unwashed masses.

Sorry, corporate bobble-heads, but what's good for the White Republican is equally good for the Black Democrat.

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
8. these fossils still think they posses some mythical knowledge no one else has
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 03:16 PM
Nov 2012

the majority of people in the usa could care less about what they have to say.

amborin

(16,631 posts)
14. yes,
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 03:57 PM
Nov 2012

although it seems as if an awful lot of people imbibe and parrot everything faux, rush, etc. say.....

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
9. NPR used to supposed to be progressive and independent. To me they're an extension of the joke.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 03:17 PM
Nov 2012

Last edited Sun Nov 11, 2012, 05:16 PM - Edit history (1)

Everyone else listed is to be expected.

 

bongbong

(5,436 posts)
17. Cock Brothers
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 04:53 PM
Nov 2012

You don't think all those corporate donations to NPR come without strings, do you?

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
15. A mandate is determined by the popular vote, not the Electoral College
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 03:57 PM
Nov 2012

Because the whole point of evaluating whether an election is a mandate is to determine whether the election served as validation of a candidate's principles by garnering popular support. Even if non-swing state voters don't get to determine the outcome of the election, our votes certainly count in determining whether a president won a mandate.

I think Obama won a mandate but not a sweeping mandate like he did in 2008. What is sad is that Bush cannot possibly be said to have won a mandate in 2000, yet he governed like he won in a landslide. Obama actually did win in a landslide in 2008 but governed as if someone had let him in by accident during his first couple years.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
19. Make no mistake about it, President Obama does have a mandate.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:26 PM
Nov 2012

No matter what some old crusty white guy like Bob Schieffer says about it.

krkaufman

(13,435 posts)
20. alternative graphic
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 08:24 PM
Nov 2012

Here's an alternative graphic I threw together, highlighting the much larger electoral victories by Obama in BOTH his elections, versus the 2000/2004 results...



The media EITHER has to declare that they mischaracterized the Bush elections (putting aside... you know) or that Obama's 2008 mandate has been reinforced and reaffirmed by the voters. Well, they WOULD have to declare such, if there was a trace of integrity remaining....

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