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Does anyone else get a bad feeling that approval of the Keystone XL pipeline will become a conceded bargaining chip in a 'Fiscal cliff' grand bargain?
I hope to hell I'm wrong, but there is a lot of corporate pressure to approve it, as well as lobbying backed by Canada's shitty Conservative party.
exboyfil
(17,863 posts)with appropriate high bonds for pollution in trade for two to three aircraft carrier groups (why would we need to monitor the middle east anymore for example). Also all U.S. production of crude stays in the U.S. Our oil may be more expensive than the Middle Eastern oil, but at least we won't have to pay for the security to get it here (or actually to the rest of the world). From a carbon standpoint I got to suspect the "cheap" Middle Eastern oil may no longer be that cheap after we pull out.
The Canadians do have an alternative with this oil - piping it to the West Coast for shipment to the Far East.
This proposal should be part of a larger proposal to scale back our spending as the world's policeman. Out of Germany, the Middle East, Korea, and Japan I say.
Our first goal should be securing the resources for sustainable development in the Western Hemisphere.
Joe Shlabotnik
(5,604 posts)Granted, 2-3 aircraft carrier groups produce a mighty carbon footprint, but nothing comparative to the Eco-disaster of developing the tar sands, and thats assuming that the pipeline never leaks and fouls everything around it, along its route.
The provincial government in BC can't get public approval to build a pipeline to the coast, and the presumptive incoming NDP government has said no way in hell. So it either goes south, or stays under-developed.
I find it hard to believe that any of it would stay in North America once its refined too.
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)It has been demonstrated in Michigan that they can't get rid of it.
exboyfil
(17,863 posts)would reduce Middle Eastern production of oil.
byeya
(2,842 posts)I think I am correct, but hope I am wrong, but crude from Alaska is exported and it's planned that the refined sludge from the Canadian tar sands will also be exported.
Joe Shlabotnik
(5,604 posts)I'm pretty sure that the pipe itself has already been manufactured, and is being stockpiled.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)At least it will provide jobs, and I would rather see Obama give in on that than on raising taxes on the rich or cutting services.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/02/29/keystone-pipeline-bill-clinton_n_1311714.html
Bill Clinton on Keystone XL pipeline: 'Embrace' it
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0212/73445.html#ixzz2Bx8CEOyc
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limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)The Ogallala Aquifer was only a stumbling block. The pipeline will be rerouted, but has already been approved by the Nebraska legislature (before the new route has been established). Obama said that Keystone was welcome to reapply for approval when he declined permission the first time. It was a done deal even before OWS got kicked off the Capitol Mall.
Texas is already building the southern route. I had no delusions about it, even as I cast my ballot. I think the only deluded folks are the ones that voted for Romney. But that goes without saying.