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Coexist

(24,542 posts)
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:39 PM Nov 2012

Awesome Revenge layoff tweet:

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keithlaw ?@keithlaw
Applebee's says they won't build more restaurants because of the Affordable Care Act. Clearly we should have passed that thing years ago.


Eat local. Shop local. Amen.

(on edit) Here's how we do it in St. Pete! http://www.unchainedgang.com/

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Awesome Revenge layoff tweet: (Original Post) Coexist Nov 2012 OP
Support SMALL BUSINESS Mom and Pop Restaurants HockeyMom Nov 2012 #1
I feel like I'm spamming everyone...lol OneGrassRoot Nov 2012 #8
Yeah, I have been trying to figure out a "buy blue" directory for years. OffWithTheirHeads Nov 2012 #9
There have been various incarnations of "buy blue" directories... OneGrassRoot Nov 2012 #11
This is a great idea agent46 Nov 2012 #15
+1 jsmirman Nov 2012 #21
The O-Friend Book! Coyotl Nov 2012 #87
American Apparel is based in LA, I believe, and I'd heard that in addition to producing goods right Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #25
I actually have an idea for this... Thav Nov 2012 #52
I think I know what you mean. OneGrassRoot Nov 2012 #53
Spam? You? tavalon Nov 2012 #36
I feel like a huge PITA most of the time... OneGrassRoot Nov 2012 #54
couldn't get past the captcha rickford66 Nov 2012 #68
You mean to sign up? OneGrassRoot Nov 2012 #69
I'm further along now rickford66 Nov 2012 #74
my email is working OK rickford66 Nov 2012 #75
I went ahead... OneGrassRoot Nov 2012 #79
As a fellow PITA and budding Norma Ray, how could I not believe in your amazingness? tavalon Nov 2012 #89
IMHO, not spam. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #61
here are some near me Coexist Nov 2012 #63
I love that Unchanged Gang site!!!! OneGrassRoot Nov 2012 #64
its a great movement! Coexist Nov 2012 #65
They may be GP6971 Nov 2012 #34
I support local FIRST. I will no longer go to Applebee's nor will I purchase anything from Papa John TxVietVet Nov 2012 #88
Oh, for chirssakes. What a bunch of lying, whining bastards. What-evah! Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #2
Not to mention overpriced Bluzmann57 Nov 2012 #3
Ha, "Overpriced Crappy Restaurant Threatens not to Open in More Locations." Is that a threat or a Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #26
One time. ONE. Gawdawful crapola. Ikonoklast Nov 2012 #5
I went once for a b-day dinner that someone else paid for. OffWithTheirHeads Nov 2012 #14
I'm very picky about food, too. But even my husband, who eats a lot of fast food and junk Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #27
Not to mention... Grins Nov 2012 #18
The last Applebee's I ate at didn't serve food that was particularly bad - Fawke Em Nov 2012 #4
Notice how it's all the restaurant chains that serve pure garbage that are acting out? jillan Nov 2012 #6
Bwahahaha they will put themselves right out of business. nt Raine Nov 2012 #7
Yeah, probably not good business sense to say fuck you to 50% of your customers. OffWithTheirHeads Nov 2012 #22
Food is so mediocre any how, not a favorite! watercolors Nov 2012 #10
Start Emailing donnasgirl Nov 2012 #12
I'll add them to my boycott list, JaneQPublic Nov 2012 #13
+1 n/t IL Lib Nov 2012 #16
No problem femrap Nov 2012 #17
This will be a great opportunity for other restaurants to expand into places they won't be. The Wielding Truth Nov 2012 #19
All of the restaurants in our town are locally owned and run, WHEN CRABS ROAR Nov 2012 #20
Apparently allinthegame Nov 2012 #23
If the demand is there quaker bill Nov 2012 #24
If the demand is there....they will be there. Curmudgeoness Nov 2012 #42
K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #28
Nailed it! freshwest Nov 2012 #29
I've eaten there exactly twice and got food-poisoning both times AllyCat Nov 2012 #30
So the owner's of the fanchise don't have a say? ceile Nov 2012 #31
Thud, dies laughing! pam4water Nov 2012 #32
Building more restaurants The Wizard Nov 2012 #33
I'd like to say I will boycott their sorry asses, tavalon Nov 2012 #35
Grassroots Godot51 Nov 2012 #37
Never ate at one Generic Other Nov 2012 #38
And do not forget to close the ones you do have. momsrule Nov 2012 #39
I entered our small town Applebeez roody Nov 2012 #40
Good riddance! Phentex Nov 2012 #41
I USED to go to Applebee's Playinghardball Nov 2012 #43
No more Applebee's? MineralMan Nov 2012 #44
I can live without Applebees and their microwaved entrees. MessiahRp Nov 2012 #45
Support local artisans & food producers & community gardens & mass transit. Amen! patrice Nov 2012 #46
Shop local, one brewery at a time . . . patrice Nov 2012 #47
our revenge: Party for the Holiday Party, the Party Party, for family & friends & neighborhoods ... patrice Nov 2012 #48
Hmmm. Seems to me cyglet Nov 2012 #49
LOL! Little Star Nov 2012 #50
Never have been there but just the thought of that type of food makes me never efhmc Nov 2012 #51
Does this sound right, or is it just a dispatch from Republican fantasyland? WhaTHellsgoingonhere Nov 2012 #55
Frankly, I don't understand why business should pay for health insurance Patiod Nov 2012 #66
No New Crapplebee's, Oldtimeralso Nov 2012 #56
my son got food poisoning at applebee's shanti Nov 2012 #57
No more Applebee's? Hey, now THERE's a culinary loss! n/t markpkessinger Nov 2012 #58
hahah!! AlGoreRhythms Nov 2012 #59
How can we force them to keep their promise? n/t Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #60
I haven't gone to Applebees in a long time. I liken it to McDonalds with ejpoeta Nov 2012 #62
I fail to see the problem here. Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #67
All food establishments nichomachus Nov 2012 #70
The President of Applebee's has issued a statement concerning the ACA today, seems like he is trying R Merm Nov 2012 #71
Yeah it's one moronic franchise owner, not the whole chain like Papa John's. Initech Nov 2012 #78
The article says "we respect his right to speak freely as an American" DaveJ Nov 2012 #86
K & R Scurrilous Nov 2012 #72
Chains offer predictable food. Not great, just predictable. Warpy Nov 2012 #73
Applebee's exists Mr.Bill Nov 2012 #76
Applebee's in Memphis rickford66 Nov 2012 #77
Applebees azmesa207 Nov 2012 #80
This is such bullshit gollygee Nov 2012 #81
"...capitalists don't seem to know how capitalism works" DaveJ Nov 2012 #85
Our family adopted that philosophy years ago. We spend our dollars with mom and pops! usaf-vet Nov 2012 #82
You mean "Crapplebee's"!!! Iggo Nov 2012 #83
Some of my best childhood memories... DaveJ Nov 2012 #84
 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
1. Support SMALL BUSINESS Mom and Pop Restaurants
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:42 PM
Nov 2012

Isn't that the message the Repukes were trying to make? Papa Johns, Applebee, etc., are NOT Small Businesses. Small Business is LOCAL shops. They don't have CEO'S!!!!!!

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
8. I feel like I'm spamming everyone...lol
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:05 PM
Nov 2012

But I'm trying to create a directory full of businesses we all recommend...local, national, online.

Businesses which don't feel words like "compassion, cooperation, community and integrity" are bad, and instead aspire to live them.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021791201

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
11. There have been various incarnations of "buy blue" directories...
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:11 PM
Nov 2012

just as there are green directories, union made directories, etc.

I'm going for a bigger umbrella that kind of takes everything into account, but with the ability to identify "made in the USA" and union and such within the directory.

I figure if companies are comfortable aligning with Wishadoo!'s principles of Compassion, Cooperation, Community & Integrity (unlike Rushbots and Beck followers, for example), they're people we'd want to support.



Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,771 posts)
25. American Apparel is based in LA, I believe, and I'd heard that in addition to producing goods right
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:55 PM
Nov 2012

in the good ole USA, they treated their employees well. Then I saw this:
http://www.triplepundit.com/2011/04/american-apparel-sustainable-brand-image/

Not sure what the latest is.

Thav

(946 posts)
52. I actually have an idea for this...
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:51 PM
Nov 2012

An online "portal" type site that lists only local businesses. Make it mobile friendly as well, and easy for local biz to update, etc. Give local biz today's tools to reach their customers and be more visible to the buy local scene.

I with I had time to implement it....

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
53. I think I know what you mean.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:57 PM
Nov 2012

The Directory I created has zip code radius search, so listings can be searched for by location, but I know what you mean by a more general portal. Plus, I am specifically wanting businesses being okay with aligning with the whole Compassion/Cooperation/Community/Integrity thing.

It's a litmus test of sorts.

There is a mobile app coming in the next couple of months.



tavalon

(27,985 posts)
36. Spam? You?
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:05 PM
Nov 2012

No, this is a close sister to the job Wishadoo already does. Now mind you, I'm predisposed to think anything you do is awesome.

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
54. I feel like a huge PITA most of the time...
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:05 PM
Nov 2012

a Pain in the Ass.

But, that's okay...someone has to be, right?

Thanks for seeing that the tools I'm gradually introducing here -- and which I've built over several years -- are all tied together, meant to be integrated.

In case you never saw it before, below is an infographic about Wishadoo.

Muchas gracias once again, tavalon. I appreciate your support more than I can say.








OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
69. You mean to sign up?
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:33 AM
Nov 2012

It does have the elevated captcha since spam is a huge problem.

PM me if you keep having trouble and I'll see if I can manually add you or something. Don't have tech support this week, unfortunately.

Sorry about that!

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
79. I went ahead...
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:36 PM
Nov 2012

and manually verified it, since I'll be away for a spell.

You should be able to log in now.



tavalon

(27,985 posts)
89. As a fellow PITA and budding Norma Ray, how could I not believe in your amazingness?
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:33 PM
Nov 2012

And while I will be giving some of my stipend to OWS for their buy back the debt idea (Awesome). After my grueling 12 hour back to backs last night and tonight, I will stop by to find out about the vote and the possibility of being a owner member. Since our family is socialist, we each get the same amount of stipend, which is sometimes a pain, because I'm the high wage earner and when I find a cause, the bad Jiminy Cricket in me wants to renegotiate, but I'm just too invested in socialism to give up because I occasionally run low on funds. I find I spend much of mine of just such projects. I'm a communitarian through and through and you've got quite a vein of that going through you.

How could I not support you?

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
64. I love that Unchanged Gang site!!!!
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:59 AM
Nov 2012

Very, very cool!!!!

And thanks for the reminder to contact the new social enterprise structures, like B Corporations!



GP6971

(31,174 posts)
34. They may be
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:00 PM
Nov 2012

a small business..........a lot are franchises. Same with a lot of big name hotel chains. It all depends on the corporate culture that is pushed on these small business owners. Unfortunately, it too many cases, it toe the corporate line or else.

TxVietVet

(1,905 posts)
88. I support local FIRST. I will no longer go to Applebee's nor will I purchase anything from Papa John
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:51 PM
Nov 2012

Those pricks don't need my money. Local Mom-and-Pops do.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,771 posts)
2. Oh, for chirssakes. What a bunch of lying, whining bastards. What-evah!
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:43 PM
Nov 2012

I ate an Applebees once because a family thing was held there and never returned. Crappy food.

Bluzmann57

(12,336 posts)
3. Not to mention overpriced
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:50 PM
Nov 2012

We went to a local Applebee's a few weeks ago with a group and good grief! I thought I may have to take out a loan to pay for their overpriced crappy food.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,771 posts)
26. Ha, "Overpriced Crappy Restaurant Threatens not to Open in More Locations." Is that a threat or a
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:58 PM
Nov 2012

promise, Mr. Applebee?

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
5. One time. ONE. Gawdawful crapola.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:53 PM
Nov 2012

They get exactly *zero* business from anyone in my family, we all hated it.

 

OffWithTheirHeads

(10,337 posts)
14. I went once for a b-day dinner that someone else paid for.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:18 PM
Nov 2012

It won't happen again.

I tend to be a food snob anyway because I love to cook and what I cook usually surpasses anything obtainable in any chain restaurant. But the simple fact is that, when it comes to food prep, most chain establishments with their formula menu's to maximize profit and minimize taste, usually succeed in serving overpriced crap. I'd rather do it myself. That said, I'm retired now and have that luxury. Not everybody shares that ability.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,771 posts)
27. I'm very picky about food, too. But even my husband, who eats a lot of fast food and junk
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 08:01 PM
Nov 2012

and likes it, says Applebees' is awful.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
4. The last Applebee's I ate at didn't serve food that was particularly bad -
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:52 PM
Nov 2012

as chain restaurants go - but the service was lousy (and I don't mean the wait staff, I mean that it took far too long to get our food, forcing us to have to inhale it to get back to work on time).

jillan

(39,451 posts)
6. Notice how it's all the restaurant chains that serve pure garbage that are acting out?
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:00 PM
Nov 2012

Chik-fil-A (I know people like them, but the last time we had them we got sick)
Papa Johns
Now Applebees.

BARF! I don't eat at any of them anyway.

 

OffWithTheirHeads

(10,337 posts)
22. Yeah, probably not good business sense to say fuck you to 50% of your customers.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:51 PM
Nov 2012

But it certainly tells me where NOT to spend my money! Free market and all that shit.

JaneQPublic

(7,113 posts)
13. I'll add them to my boycott list,
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:14 PM
Nov 2012

along with Papa Johns and Chick Fil-A.

I've never been a loyal customer at any of these places, but they won't know that when I send a letter explaining why I won't be giving them my business.

The Wielding Truth

(11,415 posts)
19. This will be a great opportunity for other restaurants to expand into places they won't be.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:33 PM
Nov 2012

Restaurants that care about the country and their employees.

allinthegame

(132 posts)
23. Apparently
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:52 PM
Nov 2012

Michelle Obama's healthy eating ideas are taking hold ....less Applebee's and Papa John's better for all

quaker bill

(8,224 posts)
24. If the demand is there
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:52 PM
Nov 2012

that will simply leave room for another business to serve the market. No big loss. There will be however many restaurants are needed to serve demand, it is the free market system. Perhaps what will fill that space will be more interesting.

They seem to be poor businessmen. Since every other restaurant and business will be dealing with the same costs, the playing field will stay level. They may have to charge a few cents more, but so will everyone else, it is no big deal in the marketplace.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
42. If the demand is there....they will be there.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:37 PM
Nov 2012

This is bullshit threats. I say let's keep a watch on Applebee's and see if they don't open any new restaurants. I don't believe them.

But IF their threat was that all the employees would be put on part-time basis, I might believe that one.

AllyCat

(16,196 posts)
30. I've eaten there exactly twice and got food-poisoning both times
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 08:09 PM
Nov 2012

No sweat off my back to not eat there. Could this be the thing we needed to jump-start small businesses?

ceile

(8,692 posts)
31. So the owner's of the fanchise don't have a say?
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 08:11 PM
Nov 2012

They don't have a say about their emloyees in their restaurants?

The Wizard

(12,545 posts)
33. Building more restaurants
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 08:57 PM
Nov 2012

when there's no demand is a fool's errand. So they have an excuse to give the shareholders because they've peaked.

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
35. I'd like to say I will boycott their sorry asses,
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:03 PM
Nov 2012

but I have refused to darken their door for at least 15 years.

Godot51

(239 posts)
37. Grassroots
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:22 PM
Nov 2012

Hopefully all this could eventually lead to a grassroots boycott movement and also to an "eat fresh, buy local" movement that would encourage local people to open alternatives to the chain restaurants. It's so difficult to compete with these chains that only a concerted effort on the part of consumers will bring about the change we are looking for.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
38. Never ate at one
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:30 PM
Nov 2012

I assume it's a fake home-cooked meal with bland decor that is nothing like anyone's memory of the good old days. They're not going to open one near me soon? Oh Joy. Sounds like I luck out.

MessiahRp

(5,405 posts)
45. I can live without Applebees and their microwaved entrees.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:42 PM
Nov 2012

They always fuck up my orders anyway. A TGIF wannabe chain.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
48. our revenge: Party for the Holiday Party, the Party Party, for family & friends & neighborhoods ...
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:04 PM
Nov 2012

and communities

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
55. Does this sound right, or is it just a dispatch from Republican fantasyland?
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:19 PM
Nov 2012

My Republican friend -- who hates Obama I might add -- says his company is going to cancel the insurance policies of the warehouse workers and kick them onto Obamacare. That, he says, will save the company $10,000 a year. I have know idea if he has any idea what he's talking about (can a company do that?), but, according to him, Obamacare is great for business.

"Eat local. Shop local. Amen."
- You got that right, Coexist

Patiod

(11,816 posts)
66. Frankly, I don't understand why business should pay for health insurance
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:21 AM
Nov 2012

Yes, i know how it started - WWII, wage freeze, had to to compete with benefits, etc.

But it DOES make companies that pay benefits less competitive than companies (both here and abroad) that don't.

Some companies (retail, food) have been careful to keep as many of their employees part-time as possible for years - my brother and his wife work for a huge retail chain, and neither can get full time work, even at Christmas, and my brother is a manager.

The only answer I see is a Canadian-style system.



ejpoeta

(8,933 posts)
62. I haven't gone to Applebees in a long time. I liken it to McDonalds with
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:48 AM
Nov 2012

plates. Blech. We go to a local place. I am hoping to branch out and check out some other local restaurants too.

 

Atypical Liberal

(5,412 posts)
67. I fail to see the problem here.
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:12 AM
Nov 2012

Look, first of all, I don't buy all these sour grapes announcements.

But second of all, if there is a market to be served, and demand to be satisfied, then someone is going to step in and do it. If Applebee's doesn't want to be the one to step in and satisfy that demand and make money, hey, I'm sure someone else will.

But we all know that Applebee's does want that money, so they will build as they need to.

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
70. All food establishments
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:35 AM
Nov 2012

Should have to post a warning sign if their employees do not have adequate health care. That is a public health issue.

DaveJ

(5,023 posts)
86. The article says "we respect his right to speak freely as an American"
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 05:37 PM
Nov 2012

It's a good thing he's a franchise "owner" because I've read many stories on the DU of us lowly employees getting fired for voicing our opinions in our free times.

Warpy

(111,292 posts)
73. Chains offer predictable food. Not great, just predictable.
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:23 PM
Nov 2012

Hole in the wall family owned restaurants offer the best and worst food you'll ever taste, mostly the best.

It's got to be 35 years since I ate at a chain restaurant. They're just not good enough to get me out of the house.

rickford66

(5,524 posts)
77. Applebee's in Memphis
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:14 PM
Nov 2012

A number of years ago while on a business trip two of us stopped at Applebee's. We sat at one of those high tables with stools. Nothing on it except our drinks. When the waitress brought our food, a cockroach appeared on the table. She said she didn't know where it came from. I said it could have only come from the kitchen. We ate but never went back.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
81. This is such bullshit
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:59 PM
Nov 2012

Applebees will open more restaurants if they think they will make more money if they open more restaurants. If they choose not to, someone else (and probably better as they don't even reach mediocre) will take their place.

The capitalists don't seem to know how capitalism works. You have as many employees as you need to have in order to make more profit than you'd make with one fewer employee. You build as many restaurants as you're able to make money on.

usaf-vet

(6,189 posts)
82. Our family adopted that philosophy years ago. We spend our dollars with mom and pops!
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 04:10 PM
Nov 2012

We believe those dollar travel through the community and some comeback to us to re-spend.

DaveJ

(5,023 posts)
84. Some of my best childhood memories...
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 05:27 PM
Nov 2012

...are of eating with my mom and dad at local family restaurants. They have unique quality of character.

I honestly don't have any happy memories eating at any of these big chain restaurants.

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