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kpete

(71,996 posts)
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:40 AM Nov 2012

KRUGMAN: We aren’t the “center-right” country of (The News Media/GOP) fantasy


November 11, 2012, 5:58 PM28 Comments
Organization
James Fallows says something I’ve been thinking, too:

For the first time in my conscious life, the Democratic party is now more organized and coherent, and less fractious and back-biting, than the Republicans. It is almost stupefying to imagine that.



........ the Democrats now look like the natural party of government. Bush had already established a reputation for being unable to get anything right in the actual business of governing; all that was supposedly left was political prowess, and now that’s gone too. And even the news media have, I think, begun to notice that we aren’t the “center-right” country of fantasy, we’re a diverse nation, ethnically and otherwise, in which a lot of liberal ideas have become perfectly mainstream.

Still, hubris and all that: this newly effective coalition could be shattered if taken for granted. And you know what could really produce the kind of dispirited base that was supposed to doom Obama in 2012? A sellout on key Democratic values as part of a Grand Bargain. If, say, Obama raises the retirement age in return for vague promises on revenue (promises that would be betrayed at the first opportunity); if he appoints a deficit scold to a major economic post; it could all fall apart.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/11/organization/
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KRUGMAN: We aren’t the “center-right” country of (The News Media/GOP) fantasy (Original Post) kpete Nov 2012 OP
Kick for truth! ananda Nov 2012 #1
K&R myrna minx Nov 2012 #2
GOP-shill Peggy Noonan tried, yet again, to brainwash closeupready Nov 2012 #3
Noonan is just a cheerleader for the far right. savannah43 Nov 2012 #8
Why would anyone who can think pay attention to anything she states? AlbertCat Nov 2012 #15
Peggy's time has come and gone. Time for her to retire! reformist2 Nov 2012 #26
Seriously! If I hear people say that we're a center-right or even a center country one more time intheflow Nov 2012 #4
So, if Obama just won reelection in an essentially center-right country... DetlefK Nov 2012 #5
we’re a diverse nation, ethnically and otherwise coldbeer Nov 2012 #6
Read my lips: NO MORE COMPROMISE Hutzpa Nov 2012 #7
NO MORE COMPROMISE AlbertCat Nov 2012 #19
Yeah John2 Nov 2012 #9
You forgot the "again" on the end of your last sentence. RC Nov 2012 #14
One sign femrap Nov 2012 #16
Write Obama. Call the WH. zentrum Nov 2012 #10
I did that last week... femrap Nov 2012 #17
Write Obama. Call the WH. AlbertCat Nov 2012 #20
Abso-freakin'-lutely! AzDar Nov 2012 #11
+1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 UnrepentantLiberal Nov 2012 #12
"A sellout on key Democratic values as part of a Grand Bargain" would certainly blow it. redqueen Nov 2012 #13
Paul Krugman would do wonderful things as US Treasury Secretary. Zorra Nov 2012 #18
Obama needs to put Krugman in charge of fiscal policy quinnox Nov 2012 #21
it's been evident for a long time that the public supports the dem positions on ISSUES, wiggs Nov 2012 #22
K/R n/t Autumn Nov 2012 #23
"...we’re a diverse nation, ethnically and otherwise..." DCKit Nov 2012 #24
Lets hope that President Obama and his advisors listen to Krugman at the beginning of this 2nd term Pachamama Nov 2012 #25
Krugman consistently nails it Skittles Nov 2012 #27
 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
3. GOP-shill Peggy Noonan tried, yet again, to brainwash
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:10 AM
Nov 2012

her readers, writing a campaign post-mortem on the explicit assumption that the US is a 'center-right' country - even though the United States was born out of a violent revolution. Gotta love how they always overlook that little fact. I am not saying that violent revolution is the way to go, please note; just saying that it is 100% false to claim or imply that the US is center-right. It is both historically and currently liberal.

savannah43

(575 posts)
8. Noonan is just a cheerleader for the far right.
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:28 PM
Nov 2012

Why would anyone who can think pay attention to anything she states?

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
15. Why would anyone who can think pay attention to anything she states?
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:21 PM
Nov 2012

I haven't listened to her prattling since she chided Clinton for "not recognizing" that god, himself, had sent dolphins to help Elias Gonzalez make it to America.

Jesus on toast, what a bunch of mush! And this specimen wrote speeches for the so called "Great Communicator"?????

The whole talking head circuit of right wing and right leaning talk shows are a bunch of has-beens and total failures. I mean, they "interview" Dennis Miller on Fox News fer Christ sake!

intheflow

(28,476 posts)
4. Seriously! If I hear people say that we're a center-right or even a center country one more time
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:11 AM
Nov 2012

I'm going to scream. We The People are firmly on the left. Our government stubbornly persists in staying quite right of center.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
5. So, if Obama just won reelection in an essentially center-right country...
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:40 AM
Nov 2012

Doesn't that make him a center-right politician, just like a good republican should be?

And wouldn't it make sense for the GOP to become center-righterer? (Yes, that's a word. Because I said so.)

coldbeer

(306 posts)
6. we’re a diverse nation, ethnically and otherwise
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:03 PM
Nov 2012

and we are drifting to atheism because we
have no choice. Ain't politicians liars by definition?
When you investigate Christianity you realize that
we preachers are liars. Let's pay taxes and educate
our children.

Hutzpa

(11,461 posts)
7. Read my lips: NO MORE COMPROMISE
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:07 PM
Nov 2012

compromise got thrown out the window when republicans spits at the face of the president eery chance they get. We will begin to see how the president plans to govern by his nominations.


 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
19. NO MORE COMPROMISE
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:41 PM
Nov 2012

But wouldn't that just make us "them"?

It's not "no compromise" .... it's "well, if you guys aren't gonna govern, we will."

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
9. Yeah
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:30 PM
Nov 2012

I think President Obama needs to pay more heed to the people that elected him instead of back stabbing leaders in the Democratic party that want to throw them under the bus once they get our votes.

I just got through listening to Ed Rendell's comments on TV. He is encouraging President Obama to consult Business on this Fiscal Cliff. I think the President is best served to get the Labor Unions at the table too, so we want get raped.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
14. You forgot the "again" on the end of your last sentence.
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:07 PM
Nov 2012

Obama does need to start paying more attention to "We the people..." than to Wall Street and the "to big to fail" corporations that are failing this nation.

 

femrap

(13,418 posts)
16. One sign
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:32 PM
Nov 2012

of 'compromise' willl be in the Cabinet appointees. And if Erskine Bowles is nominated for anything, I will scream to high heaven. He has been mentioned as a possibility.

Why can't he appoint someone for Treasury who has NOT worked at the Fed/Goldman Sachs? How about Krugman? How about any Economist who understands MONEY?

And btw, Obama has just as much a MANDATE as W did.

Tax the Rich until their eyes bleed!

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
10. Write Obama. Call the WH.
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:34 PM
Nov 2012

Make him know and feel our opposition to being dragged back to compromise.

Don't just post here. Post to Obama.

 

femrap

(13,418 posts)
17. I did that last week...
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:37 PM
Nov 2012

asking him to tax the rich and I got a very nice email reply on fancy WH email paper!!!!

First response I ever got. I'm saving it!

And if anyone has a Repugnant Congresscritter or Senator, write them as well. In fact, I'm doing a 3-prong approach:

1. Email (which is the worst way imho), but I do it.

2. Phone them

3. Snail mail to the WH, but for the House and Senate, send to their HOME office. It gets there quicker and is taken more seriously by the locals who work in those offices. Print out your email and mail it. Sometimes I put glitter in it to get their attention. Or confetti. Or both, if I'm in a bad mood. I'm crafty.


 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
20. Write Obama. Call the WH.
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:48 PM
Nov 2012

I think I will.

I want Obama to ask GOP leaders whom they serve. Their citizens? or one citizen: Grover Norquist. Does his pledge override their pledge to the country? Does an oath to The Family trump their oath of office?

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
13. "A sellout on key Democratic values as part of a Grand Bargain" would certainly blow it.
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:02 PM
Nov 2012

I have a sad suspicion that they may try some kind of "But midterms! Gotta be moderate for the midterms!" bullshit.... but no. That's a lie.

Because when they say "moderate" they mean "right wing" and the only thing that will help in the midterms is if we stick to those core liberal issues like Warren did.

Any pandering to the illusory "center" is asking to lose the house, and more.

wiggs

(7,814 posts)
22. it's been evident for a long time that the public supports the dem positions on ISSUES,
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:56 PM
Nov 2012

but that the gop poisoned and polarized discourse so much that the public turns against issues IF CONNECTED WITH DEMS OR THE PRESIDENT.

The public option had 71% approval before the gop pissed all over it and Obama. Most of the ACA provisions have wide support. Likewise, most dem positions have wide support as long as you don't ask respondents to choose political sides on the issues.

 

DCKit

(18,541 posts)
24. "...we’re a diverse nation, ethnically and otherwise..."
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:53 PM
Nov 2012

And somehow, this white guy isn't panicking. I'm surrounded by variously tinted folks with great ideas, and I love those ppl. "Forward", "Move On", let's get on with it.

Hope I live long enough to see the result of this - a shrunken military and more social spending.

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
25. Lets hope that President Obama and his advisors listen to Krugman at the beginning of this 2nd term
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 04:19 PM
Nov 2012

...compared to how they ignored VALUABLE advice at the beginning of last term.

History repeats itself if we dont learn from the mistakes of the past....

President Obama - pay attention to what Paul Krugman is saying here.....very important....

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