when Rmoney lost.

for the Republicans if they are not careful.

Tar baby...Really?

Just Googled it and found this:

when you consider it originates with an African story of an African hero trapped by a "tar baby". Other cultures have similar legends. Just because the term is used in a racially insensitive manner does not mean that it cannot be used to refer to this situation. It is the right analogy for the situation.

I will not stop using words like cracker and spook because some use them in racially insensitive ways.

As an African American, I understand the intended context of the term, and am not offended by its correct use just because some likely racist RWers want to attach the image to President Obama.

Indeed this situation IS a RW tar baby - with no African Americans involved.

...and creator of the popular version of Brer Rabbit and the Tar Baby
was a "racial reconciliation activist writer and journalist of the Reconstruction era".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Song_of_the_South

Anyone who closes their mind and literary experience to his works, or the works of Twain and others, is MISSING a rich Historical, Social, and Cultural experience.


Like many other words and phrases, "Tar Baby" CAN and HAS been used as a racial epithet, but this is not ALWAYS the case.
In the post above, it was used in its correct context.

Once you touch the Tar Baby, you can't let go.
The harder you try, the worse it gets.
It gets ALL over you, and you can't wash it off.

You are so going to get blasted for the tar baby reference.

On msnbc w/Andrea Mitchell now

I'm not talking about Paramour Broadwell, or Whistleblower Kelley.

I think, after Broadwell and Petraeus parted ways in July-ish, there was another woman on the scene.

I don't know why I think this, but I can't shake this sense.

The whole "angry My Man emails" thing with Kelley just seems very 'odd' to me.

It will be interesting to see who accompanied Petraeus to Libya...

She's not a dingbat, just unstable, two different things imo

We'll probably never get confirmation about the Kelly relationship though.

An entirely above-board, "couples" acquaintanceship, based on professional associations.

The Kelley woman was a social director, a protocol officer, in essence. Odds are good her relationships--her very professional relationships--bring her closer to the WIVES of the flag/general officers than they do the one-through-four stars. Protocol officers have to not only deal with the protocol officers of the other VIPS/execs their bosses associate with, they also have to deal with the wives (nowadays, husbands, too, as the upper ranks slowly integrate more female generals/admirals) to make sure that everyone is on the same page. If these courtesies are not offered, it can be ugly. If a social director/protocol officer doesn't make these connections, he or she will have trouble doing the job.

If you look at the widely published picture of the Kelley and the Petraeus couples, you'll see Ms. Kelley standing beside Mrs. Petraeus, well separated from the General. Not that a picture can always tell us a thousand words, but my sense is there was no frigging in the rigging with Kelley and the General at all. Kelley's twin sister? Who knows, but I doubt that, too.


This photo, taken by reporter Amy Scherzer for the Tampa Bay Times, shows (left to right) Jill Kelley’s twin sister, Gen. David Petraeus, Scott Kelley, Jill Kelley, and Holly Petraeus.




Photos from http://www.poynter.org/how-tos/newsgathering-storytelling/visual-voice/195166/the-photos-tell-a-different-story-of-david-petraeus-jill-kelley/


I think there may have been a THIRD woman; a replacement that took the place of Broadwell back in July. I think Broadwell might have THOUGHT the "new woman" was Kelley, but she was mistaken--it's someone else entirely.

Diane Feinstein wants to see Petraeus's trip report/travel orders to Libya. Was this person on that trip, I wonder?

probably banged them both at once.

yeh, I went there.

and I think he would too.

lol - you know what I bet he doesn't regret anything he's done, his career was ending anyway

more interested in ingratiating herself with the military/SES/executive SPOUSES. Look at the pics and how she positions herself--she's making sure that Holly Petraeus is her "new best friend."

or the power they wield

He's a freakin' God to the ReThugs.

I think she intended to manipulate Petraeus. And I think she may have become attached to him (thus the harassing emails from her). Whatever the initial intent was, it backfired and Petraeus lost his career over it.

Classified material on a home computer--that's a BIG Bozo No No.

Never mind that "adultery" is in the UCMJ, and we've got "conduct unbecoming" --as evidenced by those batshit crazy emails--when it comes to her behavior with regard to the McDill Protocol/Social Director.

Her military career is in very grave jeopardy. I don't think it will survive, and she could end up doing time.

the home wrecker.

Let's not get all 50's here.

with married men are not innocent victims. And this one certainly is not given that the whole thing blew up in her face (and his... what karma) because of her threatening emails to someone she perceived as a rival for his affection. She's so special... how dare he have, or seem to have, someone else!

Fuck her; I have no pity for this woman and women like her who leave hurt wives, wrecked families... in their wake. Sure, the men are largely at fault and I do not exonerate them one bit. But women like her are something I cannot say on this board or I'll be flamed or alerted on.

The only victim here is Mrs. Petraeus!

but women who willingly consort with married men are not innocent victims. And this one certainly is not given that the whole thing blew up in her face (and his... what karma) because of her threatening emails to someone she perceived as a rival for his affection. She's so special... how dare he have, or seem to have, someone else!

Fuck her; I have no pity for this woman and women like her who leave a wake of hurt, betrayal, and wrecked families... While the men are at fault and I do not exonerate them one bit, women like her are something I cannot say on this board or I'll be flamed or alerted on.

The only victim here is Mrs. Petraeus! And that's not 1950s. Ask any woman who's been in her shoes in 1990, 2000, or 2012

in this? hmm, I don't.

I remember my old aunts saying stuff like that:
homewrecker,
pregnant? then why'd you spread your legs?
if you can't keep yer man happy then of course he will roam!
all men cheat, it is their nature

all that kind of shit I heard in my early years as a young girl/woman. Thankfully I didn't listen to those ignorant assholes because ultimately what they do is give men a pass.

I am teaching my daughter much different than what I heard from those teabaggers.

can you read?! They are BOTH culpable, and I said such, but I still stand by what I said about women consorting with MARRIED men.

Can't wait to see what you say/feel about the woman who wrecks your/your daughters marriage!

she was married, you know that?

I didn't get the sense of equal responsibility from your posts at all.

I have some thoughts about these connections.

a) Broadwell may not have sent these emails, anyone actually seen them? Could just be hear-say fodder for the media.
b) Corporate media is well known for stinky smokescreens to cover up even more stinky stuff, we should be more skeptical by now, shouldn't we?
c) So the victim of the alleged nasty emails is a friend of the family and has a nice, tidy life with a much hotter partner than the general with little motivation outside the fact that she's a 1%er too, and she's not taking a fall, just a cog in the wheel.

I think this story is a smokescreen to a much larger issue that has everything to do with how bad mittens looked all through the summer, it called for a larger strategy. After his 47% party revelations in May (and where else but the alleged nasty email victim's hometown and where the general had lived for years among the Cheneyites?), my thinking is that the audience at that party went to work finding ways to take the prez down at all costs, and some were willing to take a faux fall for the cause. Too many cozy alliances... like the picture at the top of this thread implies. Why would this alleged paramour be so cozy with the Ham?

This web tool is very helpful in discovering who is connected to whom, check it out and do some investigating on your own. There are some real eye openers to discover. (just double-click on any entity with an "x" in the upper right-hand corner and the map will reconfigure to highlight the connections to that entity... very revealing, connect the the dots! There's a key to how to use the tool on the right panel of each page.)

http://www.muckety.com/David-H-Petraeus/22415.muckety

Report back to Cantor?

But I think there are more than enough data points out to start asking serious questions of ALL who are involved, even if indirectly.

The following people should be investigate:

Rove, Cantor, Broadwell, Issa, King, Romney (and his campaign staff), the list goes on.

*this atheist gets down on her knees and prays some of these devils are outed for what they really are.

Has anyone read her tripe at the second link above? She sounds like Caribou Barbie with half a brain and epaulets! Jesus. Get her into a lock-down ASAP! I think she was acting as an apologist for the general given his "scorched earth" methodology of fighting the Taliban and AQ. Talk about dangerous, now I am sure there was something wreaking of dead fish regarding a destruction course for Obama, orchestrated to pop like a zit at election time..

No wonder HamRove looks so pleased with her, and sucking in his gut to look good with her. Psychopaths stick together.

That's what I think was the destruction course for Obama.

He was on a panel discussing this matter.

Gergen was very upset that the FBI would dig deep into someone's e-mail based on a non-threatening e-mail sent by that someone.

Me thinks that Gergen has some stuff in his e-mail that he or someone else don't want to go public.

Nonetheless, I think that there is a real civil liberties issue here. The FBI went over the line in part because the agent seemed to want a closer relationship with the recipient of Broadwell's not exactly threatening e-mail.

Paula likes powerful men. She perhaps flirted and massaged David Gergen's ego as well...and perhaps more.