1 Timothy 2:

Funny they don't see him as weak-willed and complicit.

This gives men the excuse to blame women for everything ever since.

And if you disagree you’re going o hell…..

It's not clear who actually wrote it - probably not Paul the Apostle.

Jesus didn't leave any writings but in the words attributed to Him, He said nothing about women not being allowed to teach or preach.

It drives me nuts that these so-called fundamentalists claim to follow every word of the bible while ignoring every word attributed to Jesus.

little use for women.

have chosen women to be pastors, so they obviously take it in that spirit. Those were those days, and people of that time were unprogressive in many ways.

Paul somewhere tells slaves to obey their masters.

Like the exhortations against gay sex, and against masterbation, for a society that needed as many new Israelis as they could possibly make, these don't apply today.

There's no reason to be literal in interpreting the Bible. Only dummies think that way. They forget all of the other things about not mixing fabrics and a hundred other now irrelevant rules.

And it was Paul who claimed authority for himself, not claiming that God was authorizing it or Jesus endorsed it. When Paul died, so did his authority over this one church and the specific problem this was addressing.

But don't tell Southern Baptists that.

They use him as a sort of pitchman, but what he actually said - all that woke twaddle about feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, welcoming the stranger, blah blah, blah - isn't filling the collection plates or stuffing the ballot boxes with conservative votes that will ensure tax writeoffs for their preachers' private jets. Jesus who?

Jesus welcomed women as disciples, but he never said anything about whether they should be preachers. He also never said anything about abortion or homosexuality. This leaves the door wide open for church leaders to do and say what they want about those things, even if their pronouncements contradict the basic points of Matthew 25.

Jesus did, however, have quite a bit to say about hypocrisy.

and they still apply to society, unlike the old Testament Rules and stuff from Paul.

Women are to be respected but also were taught to be obedient and keep their opinions to themselves.

Also another reason I am an atheist.

started preaching, I decided I wasn't going to be polite. Told them to get off the property that I wasn't interested in hearing anything they had to say. He asked if I'd ever read the bible, I said you mean that book that was written at a time in history when discrimination against women ranked highest, was written by men, and was written by men hundreds of years after the stories in the bible allegedly occurred? He got the message and left.

If people only realized that being moral has nothing to do with being religious the world would be a better place.

Jesus wrote none of the New Testament.

None.

He is quoted by some of the authors, writing decades after the events they relate. Yes, anyone can do what some have done, and excise those alleged quotes and say, "here is my religion."

That seems to me a strange thing to do, since what they think they know about Jesus comes from tradition and its scripture. The Catholic church always has required priests to be male. So this doctrine is old in the religion.

the recollections of centuries of followers, many of which are inventions no matter how hard they tried to look for "truth".

Unfortunately, of all the contemporary writings, we are left largely with Paul's.

of their writing has been lost. We don't even know their name, but Ebionites, Nazarenes, or the Way seem likely. As far as I can tell, their theology is like a simplified Gnosticism: a stratified universe with the material world at the bottom of the barrel, possibly under the authority of Satan. Materialism was to be despised. At this cosmos level, only the soul had value. Therefore, earthly qualities... gender among them... was of no account. Except for the pillars located in Jerusalem, their communities had no hierarchy and no churches. A soul inside a female basket had the same potential as a soul in a male basket. It was Roman culture that reshaped their egalitarianism, imposing patriarchy into church organization. It was Greek philosophy that spurred the creation of the Trinity. The original believers considered Jesus to have begun as completely human, his soul having become perfect, at which time the Father god adopted him as his son. Before the church came along with its creeds and dogma, remnants of the originals existed in Docetism, Adoptionism and other so-called heresies usually put into the Gnosticism stew pot. It's miraculous that the original beliefs are still present in the gospels' parables, the hidden truths.