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PETRUS

(3,678 posts)
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:11 PM Nov 2012

The National Debt & Fiscal Responsibility

"The Government of the United States offers the functional equivalent of interest-bearing savings accounts to investors, usually wealthy individuals, large corporations, and foreign nations. The savings accounts are usually called US Treasury securities, and the sum of their face values is called the debt-subject-to-the-limit; or more colloquially, the national debt, even though comparable savings accounts in banks, are for some reason, not called bank debt."

Interesting....

"REAL fiscally responsible policy, if it works generally as expected, creates greater real benefits than real costs for people! It has nothing to do with conforming to some standard simple measure like an acceptable debt-to-GDP ratio that has only a questionable theoretical connection to the actual well-being of people. It is political malpractice to give greater priority to that kind of abstraction than to full employment, price stability, a strong social safety net, and Government programs that will help us solve the many outstanding problems of our nation."

Now that's a fact.

Both quotes from http://neweconomicperspectives.org/

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The National Debt & Fiscal Responsibility (Original Post) PETRUS Nov 2012 OP
"are for some reason, not called bank debt." - they are called liabilities of the banks. PoliticAverse Nov 2012 #1
I think the point here PETRUS Nov 2012 #5
Why it's so frustrating to hear Democrats talking about "borrowing from China" and deficit spending Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #2
Spam deleted by gkhouston (MIR Team) Dubster Nov 2012 #3
. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #4

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
1. "are for some reason, not called bank debt." - they are called liabilities of the banks.
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:33 PM
Nov 2012

Also please don't confuse bank 'demand deposits' with bills, notes and bonds issued by the Treasury.

And anyone can buy treasury debt, there's an online website even: http://www.treasurydirect.gov/



PETRUS

(3,678 posts)
5. I think the point here
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:12 PM
Nov 2012

...is that nobody adds up bank deposits and runs around screaming about those "liabilities" because it would be nonsensical - it's not the whole story.

On your second point, sure anyone CAN, but most of the holdings are in the hands of "wealthy individuals, large corporations, and foreign nations."

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
2. Why it's so frustrating to hear Democrats talking about "borrowing from China" and deficit spending
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:38 PM
Nov 2012

as a "crisis". If we're not careful and don't get very loud right up front, they're going to fuck us sp bad we may never recover.

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