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jimmy the one

(2,708 posts)
Thu Jun 22, 2023, 09:09 PM Jun 2023

5 unfortunate submariners, 8000 other americans died yday

Was sad the mini submarine imploded killing all 5 aboard, yday or day before.

Was sad 8,000 other americans died yday as well, mostly due old age I suppose.
Of the people who died in the submarine tragedy, their ages were 58, 77, 19, 48, 61.
Was sad 25,000 people died yday in India, mostly due old age I suppose.
Was sad last month, and prior month after month, dozens, hundreds of people died trying to escape persecution by sailing across the Mediterranean sea seeking asylum in friendly countries. These deaths were met with scant coverage & shoulder shrugs.

8,000 more americans will die today, tomorrow, and likely every day for the rest of our lives, and only a tiny fraction will get national recognition or saturation TV coverage, or examining the way they died, how much money they made, or how important they were or were not.
This submarine tragedy is a novelty for TV producers and TV audiences, why it has gotten so much attention the past 4 days, a novelty which cable networks are exploiting for bizarre reasons, imo,

It was sad sure, but pardon me for not getting too emotional or distressed or dwelling upon the particulars. I heard all I needed to hear in 30 minutes tv coverage. They died instantly no pain no suffering, which is far better than most of the other 8,000 americans & hundreds of thousands of earthlings who died some in agony, others in some sort of discomfort.
People die every day, this was simply a novel way to go.

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5 unfortunate submariners, 8000 other americans died yday (Original Post) jimmy the one Jun 2023 OP
"Other Americans"? Effete Snob Jun 2023 #1
stockton rush, ceo of oceangate, and the Titan's pilot, was an American. niyad Jun 2023 #4
Ah... I had looked at a list of the passengers Effete Snob Jun 2023 #6
Snort!! niyad Jun 2023 #18
K & R malaise Jun 2023 #2
it's like the "baby in the well" story. People hold their breath for the outcome. BlueWaveNeverEnd Jun 2023 #3
Exactly what I was going to.post. We have had many dire sinkingfeeling Jun 2023 #5
at work, everyone was glued to the radio about baby Jessica... BlueWaveNeverEnd Jun 2023 #8
And get to feel a bit better about being too poor to afford to do something so stupid. meadowlander Jun 2023 #7
some truth to that. BlueWaveNeverEnd Jun 2023 #9
my ex's mum died this evening, in hospice Skittles Jun 2023 #10
condolences jimmy the one Jun 2023 #17
I'm quite ready for this story to leave the news ... Earth-shine Jun 2023 #11
That was exactly what have been thinking BigmanPigman Jun 2023 #12
There is a "Duty to provide assistance at sea." barbaraann Jun 2023 #13
Within reason jimmy the one Jun 2023 #14
Thank you very much for that additional information. barbaraann Jun 2023 #19
Not comparable treestar Jun 2023 #15
friday's cartoons jimmy the one Jun 2023 #16
 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
6. Ah... I had looked at a list of the passengers
Thu Jun 22, 2023, 09:50 PM
Jun 2023

I’m surprised that there wasn’t a Supreme Court Justice aboard.

sinkingfeeling

(51,534 posts)
5. Exactly what I was going to.post. We have had many dire
Thu Jun 22, 2023, 09:42 PM
Jun 2023

situations that have given the public days of TV coverage. CNN covered the Baby Jessica story for 58 hours in 1987. The rescue of the boys in the cave in Thailand, the Chilean miners rescue, and
the 26 school kids buried alive in their bus all captured the world's attention and hope.

Skittles

(153,475 posts)
10. my ex's mum died this evening, in hospice
Thu Jun 22, 2023, 10:03 PM
Jun 2023

a truly lovely lady, and one of the few true Christians I have ever known....

 

Earth-shine

(4,044 posts)
11. I'm quite ready for this story to leave the news ...
Thu Jun 22, 2023, 10:04 PM
Jun 2023

except for the part about who is paying for the rescue efforts.

jimmy the one

(2,708 posts)
14. Within reason
Fri Jun 23, 2023, 05:52 AM
Jun 2023
There is a "Duty to provide assistance at sea."

Within reason. A hippocratic oath. It would not apply broadly to unreachable vessels 2 and a half miles below the surface, excepting perhaps official navy or marine vessels with similar capabilities, or surface ships used as picket ships. Even then the navy would blink twice before sending sailors so far deep where the risk of further death would outweigh the likelihood of saving lives.
Rendering assistance to vessels in distress I have no problem with. The hyperbole surrounding the rescue attempt and saturation coverage of 5 deaths, comparably a drop in the bucket of daily death, and sensationalizing the novelty, is the concern. The challenger explosion in space was far more awful due it being an exploratory mission in a developing technology, and emotionally affected far more severely most americans. The sinking of the titan was provoked and enabled by for profit company oceangate, for either derring do or sightseeing, along with the profit motive.

A master or individual in charge of a vessel shall render assistance to any individual found at sea in danger of being lost, so far as the master or individual in charge can do so without serious danger to the master’s or individual’s vessel or individuals on board.
(2)Paragraph (1) does not apply to a vessel of war or a vessel owned by the United States Government appropriated only to a public service.
(b)A master or individual violating this section shall be fined not more than $1,000, imprisoned for not more than 2 years, or both.


barbara ann: I don't think there is a similar law for dry land.

Not even the police:
The U.S. Supreme Court has also ruled that police have no specific obligation to protect

Although the delayed police response at Uvalde school shooting revealed the repercussions for not.

OceanGate is unlikely to foot the bill for a rescue mission launched to find survivors among the five-man crew in the missing Titan submersible — and the operation is expected to cost millions of dollars..
Ret. Adm.. commanded Coast Guard to 2018 .. the underwater exploration company — which charges wealthy clients $250,000 each to see the wreckage of the Titanic — would likely not be required to reimburse the federal government.
“It’s no different than if a private citizen goes out and his boat sinks,”..“We go out and recover him. We don’t stick them with the bill after the fact.”


Call an ambulance to your home for a 'rescue attempt' to take you to hospital could cost a few hundred dollars, and then mere admission to the emergency room will cost $500 at the closest hospital near me, and likely a similar fee near yours.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
15. Not comparable
Fri Jun 23, 2023, 06:38 AM
Jun 2023

No one was paying attention because of their wealth or their race or their gender.

It was because of the situation.

Poor people could be trapped in a mine or something. It would make the news on the same grounds.

Many rich people died of old age in hospice, too. Nobody paid attention to that either.

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