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Is "Jury Nullification" a Real Possibility in Trump's Prosecution? (Original Post) MrWowWow Aug 2023 OP
I don't think so. More likely in FL than DC, though. hlthe2b Aug 2023 #1
Of course it is really possible. RockRaven Aug 2023 #2
Another conspiracy theory that will never die... brooklynite Aug 2023 #3
To be fair, prosecutors knowing how to pick jurors doesn't mean a MAGA cult member Marius25 Aug 2023 #4
If it results in a hung jury, I wouldn't count on any retrial before the next election, and then JohnSJ Aug 2023 #7
Could Getting a Hung Jury Be a Stalling Tactic? MrWowWow Aug 2023 #15
If a Hung Jury occurred, the new trial would start as soon as a new Jury was empaneled brooklynite Aug 2023 #16
Yes, and if trump or one of the other republican candidates win in 2024, I think he will be pardoned JohnSJ Aug 2023 #5
It's not gonna happen. Elessar Zappa Aug 2023 #18
I meant if one juror voted not guilty, despite the evidence, they would not have time to do a JohnSJ Aug 2023 #19
Yeah, you're right. Elessar Zappa Aug 2023 #20
I worry more about something like this happening in FL or GA Jarqui Aug 2023 #6
Why not make a list of plausible excuses for him already? Brainfodder Aug 2023 #8
I've been a beneficiary of jury nullification. stuck in the middle Aug 2023 #9
especially in DC Recycle_Guru Aug 2023 #12
I would think during choosing a Jury a cursory social media search would be done. Prairie_Seagull Aug 2023 #10
Nope. Ms. Toad Aug 2023 #11
Resulting in acquittal? No. Hung jury? Yes. Kennah Aug 2023 #13
The DC juries have been pretty sophisticated so far in apportioning Tomconroy Aug 2023 #14
No. Elessar Zappa Aug 2023 #17

hlthe2b

(102,778 posts)
1. I don't think so. More likely in FL than DC, though.
Wed Aug 2, 2023, 12:27 PM
Aug 2023

That said, it is a really good reason to keep jury members anonymous.

RockRaven

(15,227 posts)
2. Of course it is really possible.
Wed Aug 2, 2023, 12:27 PM
Aug 2023

But rather than the whole jury going that route resulting in an acquittal, more likely one or more MAGAt would be out of step with the rest of the jury and result in a hung jury and mistrial.

brooklynite

(95,379 posts)
3. Another conspiracy theory that will never die...
Wed Aug 2, 2023, 12:34 PM
Aug 2023

First, Jury Nullification means that ALL the jurors refuse to convict. Do you SERIOUSLY expect that to happen?

Second, ONE Juror refusing to convict results only in a Hung Jury and a retrial. People have worried about this with every police violence/Trump behavior trial and it never happens. Because prosecutors know how to pick Jurors.

 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
4. To be fair, prosecutors knowing how to pick jurors doesn't mean a MAGA cult member
Wed Aug 2, 2023, 12:36 PM
Aug 2023

can't be on the jury. Each side only gets a limited amount of strikes against jurors.

That being said, it's extremely unlikely the entire jury would be Trump supporters (especially in DC), so a hung jury would be the most likely result other than conviction.

JohnSJ

(92,643 posts)
7. If it results in a hung jury, I wouldn't count on any retrial before the next election, and then
Wed Aug 2, 2023, 12:42 PM
Aug 2023

only if a Democrat wins, because if it is a republican, it is almost a sure bet trump will be pardoned

MrWowWow

(65 posts)
15. Could Getting a Hung Jury Be a Stalling Tactic?
Wed Aug 2, 2023, 03:29 PM
Aug 2023

Am thinking it could function that way. Just one jurist could hang the jury. Rescheduling a retrial could then buy tramp some time.

brooklynite

(95,379 posts)
16. If a Hung Jury occurred, the new trial would start as soon as a new Jury was empaneled
Wed Aug 2, 2023, 03:30 PM
Aug 2023

All of the discovery and pre-trial motions would remain in effect.

Elessar Zappa

(14,209 posts)
18. It's not gonna happen.
Wed Aug 2, 2023, 03:33 PM
Aug 2023

That would require all 12 jurors to find him not guilty. As far as him being pardoned, yes that would probably happen which is why it’s so important that we win.

JohnSJ

(92,643 posts)
19. I meant if one juror voted not guilty, despite the evidence, they would not have time to do a
Wed Aug 2, 2023, 03:46 PM
Aug 2023

retrial before the next election. Thanks for the correction

Jarqui

(10,137 posts)
6. I worry more about something like this happening in FL or GA
Wed Aug 2, 2023, 12:38 PM
Aug 2023

It is why the NY case is important. Jury will be tougher to mess with and a conviction cannot be pardoned by a sitting GOP President. GA is important for that reason - the Governor can't pardon him there either.

The problem Trump has in NY & FL is there are so many counts. He has to run the table. Not easy when the indictments have been put together as well as they have.

Manafort was convicted with some Trumpers on the jury.
Trump selected judges have gone against him in the 61 election case losses.

All of the indictments involved Grand Juries. So chances are decent.

 
9. I've been a beneficiary of jury nullification.
Wed Aug 2, 2023, 12:47 PM
Aug 2023

Back on the 1970s.

“In the teeth of the facts”, which, btw, we did not dispute in our defense.

But, realistically, imagine trying to get 12 jurors to nullify in the cases against tfg.

Ms. Toad

(34,262 posts)
11. Nope.
Wed Aug 2, 2023, 01:03 PM
Aug 2023

Jury nullification is rare, because it requires all jurors to ignore the instructions of the judge as to the law. So when it happens, it is typically with a universally sympathetic defendant - under circumstances that make every juror believe that conviction would be unjust.

I don't see that happening here.

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
14. The DC juries have been pretty sophisticated so far in apportioning
Wed Aug 2, 2023, 01:56 PM
Aug 2023

Responsibility. They often acquit on some counts.

Elessar Zappa

(14,209 posts)
17. No.
Wed Aug 2, 2023, 03:31 PM
Aug 2023

That would require all 12 jurors and that ain’t happening. The worst that could happen would be a hung jury which would require a retrial. But the prosecutors are smart and will know how to filter out magats.

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