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reformist2

(9,841 posts)
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 06:41 PM Nov 2012

Imagine it's 2013, and we've gone over the cliff. Will Repugs vote down a middle-class tax cut???

The Repugs are acting like they have leverage, but they really don't. People are saying that if there's no deal, there's a chance taxes will go up for everyone in 2013. OK, maybe for a couple of days. But once the new year comes and taxes have gone up for everyone, a proposal to cut taxes for the middle-class WILL be reintroduced. There's no way in hell Boehner/McConnell can keep their guys in line... dozens are going to break ranks and vote for the middle class tax cut. And since they probably already can see this happening, why wait until 2013? We can pretty much demand what we want of them right now.

We hold all the cards. Let's make sure our congressmen don't blow it.

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reformist2

(9,841 posts)
5. True, but we only will need about 20 or so next year to cave in and support a tax cut.
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 06:49 PM
Nov 2012

There are an awful lot of crazies in the GOP these days, but is it over 90%? No way. If they go this route, it will be a rout!

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
8. Your point about a final vote is a good one, but first a bill has to get out of committee
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 06:54 PM
Nov 2012

and to the floor for a vote. Controlling the House can give even a small minority of Republicans a sort of
legislation veto using that control.

Fgiriun

(169 posts)
3. You are forgetting that we are dealing with a bunch of psychopaths
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 06:46 PM
Nov 2012

These assholes are beyond redemption. They would rather see the country disintegrate than see progressive values flourish. They are and will always be the party of the ultra rich. Defending the oligarchy is ingrained in their conservative values.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
6. They are crazy ... but they can't say no to an obvious tax cut and keep their jobs.
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 06:49 PM
Nov 2012

Their far right wing constituents want tax cuts for themselves. The GOP can't vote against those.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
4. Been saying this for 2 years.
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 06:47 PM
Nov 2012

This is why Obama extended the Bush tax cuts to the end of 2012.

If he let them all expire earlier, the media would have killed him for letting taxes go up on those under 250k.

So he kept his promise to not increase those, and then DELAYED his promise to end the bush tax cuts for those over 250k.

Now, Obama gets to keep both promises.

Obama thinks long term.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
9. Naturally, I hope I am right too ... and one reason I think
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 07:03 PM
Nov 2012

I am right is that the strategy I describe would indicate that Obama knows that the deficit, while important, was not the primary issue to deal with now.

Extending the Bush tax cuts for 2 years added to the deficit. But our economic issue was jobs, not deficit. And so leaving the cuts in place allowed the middle income folks to keep their cuts, and the middle SPENDS that money. The rich don't so their cut simply adds to the deficit.

In other words, you'd prefer to get rid of the top end cuts, but if they remained for a while, its not as bad as taking money out of the pocket of the middle class.

The chess analogy gets used and abused around here, but as a chess player, I see Obama's extension of those cuts a few years back as a strategic defensive move. Many times in chess, a great move is a defensive move, but one in which a future attack is strengthened. So your bishop "retreats" backwards across the board, but it ends up on a square that, once other pieces move, and they will move, cuts deep into the opposing defenses.

I trust Obama on this. For all the attacks on the guy, I think he always tries to find the most effective, and pragmatic path forward.


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