‘news’ from a conflict should be viewed very skeptically.

Remember the preemie babies taken from their incubators by Iraquí soldiers in Kuwait, and left on the cold floor to die, at the start of the first Gulf War? Yeaaaaah….

WWI. The Japanese in WWII and many more examples. While babies were killed in war of course, combat troops were not pitchforking them and roasting them over fires as claimed.

I wasn't calling bullshit on Hamas doing it but realized it may be more of what we've seen before.

pointing out that immediate reports of beheading of babies, etc. might be propaganda. That does NOT discount the horrible atrocities that were proven to be done by Hamas, it just goes to show that until the hate dies down a bit, it's difficult to know WHO is telling the truth. Anyway, I got scorched for it so this OP vindicates that thought.

a large number I might add.

I'll wait for more information. Last I heard there are 2300 dead, and the number is climbing, will climb. Hate never ends.

not clear if they died before they were beheaded.

But does it really matter? Is anyone disputing that children were slaughtered in this attack?

if they were shot or beheaded, how does that make it OK?

One.

We’re just saying they’re trying to fuel the hate flames higher with this beheaded babies propaganda. As if what actually happened isn’t bad enough.

to propaganda value, however, and it's deeply important to be aware of it.

took the tone of "see, there were not beheaded babies... the fog of war... bibi lied... just like the Germans in WW2" or call backs to the kuwaiti stories about war with Iraq.

Does anyone believe that it is so much better for Israel to fake claim that babies were beheaded as opposed to being shot? Or stabbed to death? or strangled? What exactly is the propaganda value you speak of in how the babies were killed?

In my view this is an attempt to make Israel LESS THE VICTIM of a terrorist attack IF it can be claimed that Israel lied about the details of the terrorism. In this case, a completely unimportant detail because, as you say, there is no moral distinction.

People were beheaded... the photos are posted (by Hamas).

babies were killed... the body bags are still being loaded into trucks... many of them are "small body bags".

The people who did this, and the people that support them, have given up any right to be part of the human race.

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that particular method of execution creates - moreso than, for example, shooting them.

The same is true of claims that someone was beheaded - a claim that someone was beheaded inflames emotions more than a claim that someone was shot.

And, because of the innocence of babies, claims that they were killed is more inflammatory than claims that adults were killed.

So claims that babies (the most inflammatory victims) were beheaded (the most inflammatory method of killing) has the largest propaganda value.

Morally, the reality that Hamas killed babies remains the same. Completely immoral and unacceptable, regardless of the means used to kill them.

But the propaganda value of claiming that they were killed by beheading is significantly greater - and when emotions are so inflamed, it makes it more likely that whatever response Netanyahu mounts will be supported, even if it involves killing innocent Palestinian babies.

I wish I expected it would be read and understood by most.

the only logical response…or words to that effect!?

Straight from a credible national leaders mouth would seem to make any allegation credible, I get it but…literal versus figurative was lost in translation. It happens a lot!

Of course there are exceptions...America had four years of a totally lying leader…and Israel has had a few years also, and now…..Russia…it’s not a long list but it’s full of dictators.

Respond with pure emotion. People with agendas across the globe thank you for your predicted response. Still wonder how Trump got elected?