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Whenever you hear someone describe themselves as a "Republican"… (Original Post) MrScorpio Nov 2012 OP
it is often the case quinnox Nov 2012 #1
I hate the assholes who say "I'm not a Republican...I'm a registered Independent...I'm more of a... Walk away Nov 2012 #2
Stealth Republicans are the worst. Lasher Nov 2012 #5
Wait a second. According to fox news, I thought Obama was the worst president since Carter? Victor_c3 Nov 2012 #8
According to historians, GWB is the worst since Warren G. Harding Lasher Nov 2012 #11
After GWB I heard historians say that the Buchanan family breathed a sigh of relief... Astazia Nov 2012 #21
President Carter was a lot of things but worst President is not one of them madokie Nov 2012 #16
Well said marions ghost Nov 2012 #22
They treated JFK the same way Fumesucker Nov 2012 #26
I see that among Republicans the Reagan myth persists and they've forgotten that Ike was good. k8conant Nov 2012 #30
+1,000 to what you said. freshwest Nov 2012 #41
It is it's own warning. aandegoons Nov 2012 #3
I'll tell you what I do when someone.... ReRe Nov 2012 #4
I guarantee you are friends with some Republicans you don't know as such, just like gays. Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2012 #10
Steath Republicans marions ghost Nov 2012 #24
Where I live I automatically assume everyone is a Republican until proven otherwise Fumesucker Nov 2012 #28
WRONG ReRe Nov 2012 #35
No. Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2012 #37
Me thinks you protest too much... ReRe Nov 2012 #40
Nobody called you a homophobe. It was obviously an analogy. Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2012 #42
The ones I've met usually prove that... JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #6
They think they know everything about B Calm Nov 2012 #7
Very true, I tell my brother to change channels. oldbanjo Nov 2012 #23
I love asking them how many branches B Calm Nov 2012 #43
Your statement indicates Bigotry & Prejudice on your part; not progressive values or DU values. Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2012 #9
+1 Le Taz Hot Nov 2012 #13
No, it's different marions ghost Nov 2012 #14
It doesn't matter if the affiliation can be change. Prejudging is prejudice & bigotry. Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2012 #18
People embody policies marions ghost Nov 2012 #32
+1 whistler162 Nov 2012 #25
Does that include my Le Taz Hot Nov 2012 #12
She would be of the old school right? marions ghost Nov 2012 #15
Now you start to walk back your remarks. Some Republicans are OK, now you're called out. Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2012 #20
I make a distinction marions ghost Nov 2012 #29
I immediately tune out CanonRay Nov 2012 #17
On Ed Shultz's facebook page loyalkydem Nov 2012 #19
Start? hobbit709 Nov 2012 #27
Are you sure? pipewrench Nov 2012 #31
Actually I think they've mispronounced "Shitpublican" rock Nov 2012 #33
As far as I can see marions ghost Nov 2012 #34
A time honored truth. nt Zorra Nov 2012 #36
Oh!!! That is sooooo true!! loudsue Nov 2012 #38
Lets not be like the Tea Party gravity Nov 2012 #39
yep thats my first thought also. kydo Nov 2012 #44

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
2. I hate the assholes who say "I'm not a Republican...I'm a registered Independent...I'm more of a...
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 05:43 AM
Nov 2012

LIBERTARIAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAGGGGGGHHHHH!!!

Lasher

(27,638 posts)
5. Stealth Republicans are the worst.
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 06:07 AM
Nov 2012

They are trying to escape accountability for George W. Bush, the worst president in living memory, while continuing to promote the very same ideology that put him in office.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
8. Wait a second. According to fox news, I thought Obama was the worst president since Carter?
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 07:06 AM
Nov 2012

Carter was before my time (I was born in 1980), but I can't recall anything from my (admittedly) limited grasp of history that Carter did that compares to george w. bush.

Bush 43 was, without a doubt, the worst and most destructive president I've ever seen.

Lasher

(27,638 posts)
11. According to historians, GWB is the worst since Warren G. Harding
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 07:31 AM
Nov 2012

Historical rankings here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States#Scholar_survey_results

Carter was always Saint Ronnie's whipping boy and Republicans continued that tradition. But we don't see Carter vilified so much anymore, as this is could ivite a comparison of his results with those of our most recent GOP President.

Astazia

(262 posts)
21. After GWB I heard historians say that the Buchanan family breathed a sigh of relief...
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:40 AM
Nov 2012

Finally, their great great grandfather was no longer the worst President in history.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
16. President Carter was a lot of things but worst President is not one of them
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:17 AM
Nov 2012

President Carter was treated just as President Obama is today, as President Clinton of yesterday was. The republiCONs have treated all our Democratic Presidents the same since watergate and nixons fall. I say fall because it was an epic fail. The pukes decided shortly after August 9, 1974 that they would be obstructionist any time they were not in the majority or in the Oval Office. One measure of a good President is what the next president does when the first one leaves office. Reagan immediately started dismantling everything that President Carter done as soon as he took the oath. If we would have stayed on the path that President Carter started us on we would be a green energy country today.
Carters crimes, he was not one of the good ole boys and he was from the south. All it took for the pukes to treat him as the affore mentioned two other Democratic Presidents I mentioned which was to work their asses off lying and cheating at all things the Democratic Presidents tried to do. A few years ago President Clinton in an interview was going over what he was able to accomplish during his two terms and he looked at the camera and said I did all this without one republiCON vote, I reiterate he said, without one republiCON vote. That pretty much explains where we are today with President Obama and Previously with President Carter.
One of the first things that I love President Carter for is he gave amnesty to the VN draft evaders, the very people who I credit with getting our asses out of the Vietnamese war. They and the brave Protesters of that war, my war.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
26. They treated JFK the same way
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 09:14 AM
Nov 2012

And if LBJ hadn't been the meanest kid on the block they would have done it to him too.

The last Republican president with a sense of decency was Eisenhower, that says a lot I think.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
4. I'll tell you what I do when someone....
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 05:58 AM
Nov 2012

....describes themselves as Republican..... I say "I've got to go see a man about a dog", and then get as far away from them as I can get. They are nothing but trouble. I don't like trouble.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,044 posts)
10. I guarantee you are friends with some Republicans you don't know as such, just like gays.
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 07:24 AM
Nov 2012

I guarantee you are friends with some gays you don't know are gays. So it is also with some of your Republican friends.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
24. Steath Republicans
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:53 AM
Nov 2012

always give themselves away. My R-dar is excellent. I could identify a Republican with 99% accuracy.

Elephant shit is hard to hide. (We are talking rabid latter-day RepubliCons & teabaggers, NOT somebody's grandma).

Mention the number 47% and watch their lips quiver a bit. Use the words "takers and makers" in a sentence...and watch them start blinking.

Not hard to tell.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
35. WRONG
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 04:15 PM
Nov 2012

about Republicons'. I've been around a lonnnnng time and I REALLY CAN spot one. I can tell it when their lips move, what they say when their lips move, the way they roll their eyes or bat their eyelashes when found out or backed into a corner philosophically. There are Republicons' that don't even know they are Republicons. They're argumentative out of thin air. Perhaps you are one yourself, since it was so easy to call me out without knowing anything about me. Gays? What in heck has defining Republicons' got to do with gays? I didn't say anything about gays. I have no beef with LGBT's. You assume that since I stay clear of Republicons' that I don't like gays? That right there was a big leap, my friend.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,044 posts)
37. No.
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 07:03 PM
Nov 2012

I am using the analogy that your R-dar is as faulty as your gaydar.

There are many gays who are not "out" or are quiet about their gayness. You do not know those people are gay. Some of them are your friends (assuming you have lots of friends, as you most probably do) and you do not know they are gay. Which is fine.

The big point is that prejudging people by their self-identification is prejudice and bigotry. It doesn't matter whether a person is gay or not; but when somebody rejects a person merely because they say they are gay, that is prejudice and bigotry. In the same way, when somebody rejects a person merely because they say they are Republican, that is prejudice and bigotry.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
40. Me thinks you protest too much...
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 12:05 AM
Nov 2012

There isn't a bogoted bone in my body, Bernardo. I love my fellow man, even Republicons' who know not what they do. I detest the beliefs of present-day Republicons', though, and don't enjoy their company. We have nothing in common. We would be in a fight as soon as we opened our mouths. Kind of like what is happening right now between you and me. I don't like to argue, Bernardo. Comprende? That isn't bigotry.

And DON'T call me a homophobe, Bernardo.

I will thank you in advance for never questioning my character again.

Peace, ReRe

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,044 posts)
42. Nobody called you a homophobe. It was obviously an analogy.
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:34 AM
Nov 2012

One could use equally well the analogy of prejudging people on a self-identified belief in Islam or Hinduism or Christianity.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
7. They think they know everything about
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 06:16 AM
Nov 2012

politics, but are really pretty clueless when you start pointing out facts and differences between the two political parties.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
43. I love asking them how many branches
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:00 AM
Nov 2012

of government we have and to name them. You'd be surprised on how many can't answer that simple question!

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,044 posts)
9. Your statement indicates Bigotry & Prejudice on your part; not progressive values or DU values.
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 07:22 AM
Nov 2012

I don't think your way is the way of DU. I don't think DU is about increasing the amount of bigotry and prejudice in the world. Please walk it back or take it back or self-delete.

You are prejudging people based on a label they apply to themselves, an identity.

It is no different from when someone swears at a light-skinned (or dark-skinned) person who identifies themself as African-American.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
14. No, it's different
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 07:49 AM
Nov 2012

Political affiliation can be changed--comparison of personal politics to racial background is ridiculous.

Republicanism is a lifestyle. There are choices.

This is the essential question behind Mr. Scorpio's statement IMO:

HOW can ANY thinking, feeling human being ally themselves with the party of Fux and Rush--ie. the Haters?

And yet, intelligent people STILL call themselves Republicans.

Sometimes in the body politic you have to fight an active cancer. It is necessary to judge.

And yes, it can be done in words.

Mr. Scorpio is being polite--to call them mere "assholes." I can think of much stronger words.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,044 posts)
18. It doesn't matter if the affiliation can be change. Prejudging is prejudice & bigotry.
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:34 AM
Nov 2012

Yes, people who are not assholes can be Republicans.
Yes, people who teach children and teach them very well can be Republicans.
Yes, people who save lives can be Republicans.
Yes, people who develop the technology you are using this instant can be Republicans.

I thought Progressive ideals were to fight policies, not people.

What next? "War on Republicans"? Like War on "moochers" and "takers"?

Please, folks, do not adopt the bigotry exhibited by so many on the other side and start tarring whole groups of people with obscenities before you even know them.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
32. People embody policies
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 09:55 AM
Nov 2012

The corrupt policies and nefarious deeds of the latter-day RethugliCon party need to be clearly rejected.

The Republican "brand" is now associated with egregious & even criminal abuse of power. People who still support the party own that. They do have the choice to be Independents. I have cousins--lifelong Republicans--who have dumped the party after Booshcheney. Those are the kind of people I admire and respect. You have to make these distinctions or you will be run over by ruthless predators. R-dar is necessary for self-protection.

No, those who still cling to "Republican" policies and values are people who don't really think, no matter what their chosen profession. Knee-jerk party loyalists. The R party is stripped down now. Anybody who can't see what they're about is politically naive at best. Comfortably complicit with evildoers at worst.

It is no crime to reject people who (after all we have seen in this century) STILL identify with such destructive, bigoted, and backward politics.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
12. Does that include my
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 07:44 AM
Nov 2012

very feeble 91-year-old Great Aunt who had no children of her own but has done nothing but help the many disadvantaged children in our family (including me)? Nice broad paintbrush there, guy.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
15. She would be of the old school right?
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 07:56 AM
Nov 2012

When Republicans were not actively tied to bigotry, woman, gay and minority bashing, lying right & left, fear-mongering, artificial war creation, Ayn Rand loving, environment destroying, worker exploiting, religion abusing....etc etc etc

After Fux and Rush, we would be remiss not to judge such people.

At the same time, I realize they are human and I forgive those who are led. But NOT the masterminds. And the intelligentsia who KNOW what is going on, but use the lo-info voters to further their greed are despicable.

We must be able to say it, in a way that is fair but not timid.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,044 posts)
20. Now you start to walk back your remarks. Some Republicans are OK, now you're called out.
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:37 AM
Nov 2012

So it starts. Now you say old school Republicans are not assholes.

So now you say that you were wrong and you can't prejudge Republicans and call them all assholes the instant they say they are Republicans.

Now you are exhibiting ageist discrimination. Republicans are OK if they are old but if they are young they are "assholes".

Nice values you got, not.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
29. I make a distinction
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 09:20 AM
Nov 2012

between those I can forgive for their fear and stupidity (ie. the lo-info) --and those I don't forgive for their complicity with the worst of human predators.

The young are assholes because they are well aware of Fux/Rush etc. and should know better. The older generation who don't subscribe to Fux/Rush thinking are still voting for them--kind of pathetic, clinging to a party out of misguided loyalty. Yay...team....

The RethugliCon abusers of power have betrayed us all, have undermined everything my affinity group ever cared about.

I judge them ALL, but I forgive the Sheeple. NOT their herders. Never.

loyalkydem

(1,678 posts)
19. On Ed Shultz's facebook page
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:36 AM
Nov 2012

They stand out like a sore thumb. They show how not so bright they are in the first few moments. usually the mods wind up banning them from the page.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
34. As far as I can see
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 01:12 PM
Nov 2012

Liberals, Progressives, & Dems DO NOT abuse others--or they try hard not to. Conservatives, Teabaggers and Rethuglicons DO abuse others, and find no problem with it.

People who abuse others consistently and knowingly deserve to be shunned. In recent years I have found it necessary to look at the political affiliations of doctors, lawyers, building contractors, service companies, other businesses and teachers. If any one turns out to be a Republican supporter, it's a deal breaker --"we just can't do business." I don't care what their reputation is in their field. I have found that it's just safer to move on.

On Nov 6 my sis told me she was working a Dem table at a polling place in VA. The R table was right next to them. All day the Dems sat alongside the Republicans and handed out sample ballots and whatnot. She told me that MANY people would come to her table, see the Dem stuff, and snarl, "I wouldn't vote for that.....Muslim!" (She said she heard the word Muslim over and over). But when people voting Dem approached the Republican table and were handed a sample ballot, they were always nice about it, just a polite "no thanks."

At the end of the day my sis leaned over to the Republican guy and told him what she observed--how rude and ugly the R people were to her and how the Dems were so polite to him. He was quiet and didn't argue. She said, "well, just think about it."

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
38. Oh!!! That is sooooo true!!
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 09:57 PM
Nov 2012

Or, conversely, if you see someone being an asshole, you can bank on it that they're a republican. Just ask 'em.

gravity

(4,157 posts)
39. Lets not be like the Tea Party
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 11:00 PM
Nov 2012

If the first thing you do when finding out someone is Republican is to think they are an asshole, then you will look like the asshole.

There are lots of Republican assholes out there, but there are also plenty of nice people who also identify and vote Republican. Maybe they don't take politics too seriously, are misinformed on the issues, have Fox News as their primary news source or remember when the Republican party used to be somewhat sane.

We would do a lot better with these people if we can find some common ground instead of trying to prove them wrong all the time.

Don't expect them to go away from the dark side right away, but if you show that the Democratic party shares some of their values, they will more likely consider voting for our guys next election.

kydo

(2,679 posts)
44. yep thats my first thought also.
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:24 AM
Nov 2012

what's especially sad is when this statement is coming from someone that works for minimum wage (or something pretty darn close) at walmart (or any other non union rethug owned company) and lives in alabama (or any number of the deep red south or mid west even) and is a female (although it is just as sad when it is a male only more shocking when it is female).

Two things come to mind when I hear some one describe themselves as a republican; 1. Unless you make close to a million dollars a year or more you probably are watching way to much faux noise and really should step out into reality because you are voting against your own best interest. 2. Victimized angry racist.

I also tend to end the conversation as fast as I can. And I also tend to never take anything else that, that person might say afterwords on every matter with a grain of salt. Their thoughts and reasoning become extremly questionable.

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