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progressoid

(50,061 posts)
Mon Oct 30, 2023, 04:10 PM Oct 2023

I loved Buffy Sainte-Marie. Now, like many Indigenous people, I feel betrayed by her

I just heard about this from an Indigenous friends' Facebook page. This is a mess.

Music icon Buffy Sainte-Marie’s claims to Indigenous ancestry are being called into question by family members and a Fifth Estate investigation that includes genealogical documentation, historical research and personal accounts. The Fifth Estate examines the harms of “pretendians” — those faking Indigenous heritage.





I loved Buffy Sainte-Marie. Now, like many Indigenous people, I feel betrayed by her

...I don’t remember what songs she sang or who accompanied her, but I do remember that my family was spellbound. The tears in Mother’s eyes prompted tears in my eyes, which prompted tears from my younger sisters, brother and a couple of cousins.

A Cree girl had made the big time. She was beautiful and the intense tremolo in her voice — almost a trill — made her sound so tribal...

...

The questions raised last week about Buffy Sainte-Marie and her Indigenous ancestry have been personally crushing to me. Indigenous heroes are heroes in part because they, and their art, have been largely shaped by the individual and collective trauma many of their Indigenous fans know all too well.

more...https://www.thestar.com/opinion/i-loved-buffy-sainte-marie-now-like-many-indigenous-people-i-feel-betrayed-by-her/article_db162a35-f1fd-53f4-b094-e031f5d40b29.html
Darrel J. McLeod is an award-winning Cree author. His most recent book is "A Season in Chezgh'un: A Novel."



Acting Piapot chief, other Sask. Indigenous people react to CBC investigation into Buffy Sainte-Marie

The acting chief of Piapot First Nation says his community will not turn its back on Buffy Sainte-Marie after an investigation by CBC's The Fifth Estate revealed information that contradicts the songwriter's claims to Indigenous ancestry.

"I can relate and understand to a lot of our people who feel betrayed and in a sense lied to by her claiming Indigenous ancestry, when in fact she may not be Indigenous," said Ira Lavallee.

"When it comes to Buffy specifically we can't pick and choose which part of our culture we decide to adhere to.… We do have one of our families in our community that did adopt her. Regardless of her ancestry, that adoption in our culture to us is legitimate."

For many years, Sainte-Marie claimed she was born on the Piapot First Nation near Regina, but that has been called into question by evidence obtained by CBC News, including Sainte-Marie's Stoneham, Mass., birth certificate and members of her family saying they believe her story is built on an elaborate fabrication.

more...https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/buffy-sainte-marie-reaction-piapot-1.7011149

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I loved Buffy Sainte-Marie. Now, like many Indigenous people, I feel betrayed by her (Original Post) progressoid Oct 2023 OP
I've read the recent accusations. First, I believe she is Indigenous. Second, she's always been supportive of Silent Type Oct 2023 #1
Unfortunately, her birth certificate and family disagree. progressoid Oct 2023 #11
Born in Massachusetts, an Italian father and a mother of English ancestry. madaboutharry Oct 2023 #2
I thought her mother was part or half Mic'Maq. yorkster Oct 2023 #28
I'm staying out of this, but Vogon_Glory Oct 2023 #3
Shania Twain was not born First Nations, but is First Nations and holds a status card obamanut2012 Oct 2023 #4
Watch the program,The Fifth Estate, posted in the OP. madaboutharry Oct 2023 #5
oh boy obamanut2012 Oct 2023 #13
Me, too. shrike3 Oct 2023 #20
Just stick with Redbone GuppyGal Oct 2023 #6
There's a blues rock band called Indigenous n/t TexasBushwhacker Oct 2023 #14
My brother saw them! progressoid Oct 2023 #25
Yup! Grew up on a rez, so they're legit TexasBushwhacker Oct 2023 #29
Just read the CBC account shrike3 Oct 2023 #7
Buffy's response... Montauk6 Oct 2023 #23
What I find extremely disappointing Talitha Oct 2023 #8
It's like every white person in the south that pretends they're part Cherokee. Elessar Zappa Oct 2023 #9
DH was told all his life he was part Cherokee. shrike3 Oct 2023 #19
LOL! Someone in a genealogy group said, "This has gotta be wrong, I'm 100% Native" LeftInTX Oct 2023 #37
Yeah, surprise, surprise. shrike3 Oct 2023 #38
Like Cher...LOL LeftInTX Oct 2023 #10
She's a total fraud and treated her family members very cruelly Mysterian Oct 2023 #12
Looks like she is a white person of European descent wnylib Oct 2023 #15
She was never adopted LeftInTX Oct 2023 #17
I listened to the entire program. A Native couple said wnylib Oct 2023 #18
Iron Eyes Cody LeftInTX Oct 2023 #16
That's my favorite to mention when famous people are exposed for claiming native ancestry Docreed2003 Oct 2023 #34
It's bad. MyNameIsJonas Oct 2023 #21
Whoa, whoa, wait a sec... Montauk6 Oct 2023 #22
First thing I thought of, Dolezal. shrike3 Oct 2023 #24
A decades long Dolezalling. progressoid Oct 2023 #26
Yeah, people were pretty mad at 'ol Rachel, but she didn't have Wingus Dingus Oct 2023 #27
indigenous folks have been treated poorly since columbus showed up dembotoz Oct 2023 #30
I encourage you to watch the program linked in the OP. madaboutharry Oct 2023 #32
First of all Jilly_in_VA Oct 2023 #31
I read the original CBC article, and they went to great lengths to show Wingus Dingus Oct 2023 #33
She was born in Massachusetts. Her father's name was Sainte-Marie LeftInTX Oct 2023 #36
Did you watch the program? madaboutharry Oct 2023 #39
From the CBC investigation: shrike3 Oct 2023 #40
The lengths that some will go to excuse this artist's behavior are gross Docreed2003 Oct 2023 #35

Silent Type

(3,168 posts)
1. I've read the recent accusations. First, I believe she is Indigenous. Second, she's always been supportive of
Mon Oct 30, 2023, 04:23 PM
Oct 2023

indiginous people, anti-war (particularly Vietnam), decent, and more.

madaboutharry

(40,252 posts)
2. Born in Massachusetts, an Italian father and a mother of English ancestry.
Mon Oct 30, 2023, 04:23 PM
Oct 2023

The real question is how this egregious fraud lasted 60 years. It is nothing less than a disgrace. All the people who spoke in the program acknowledge her talent and good work. However, she took what did not belong to her, awards and honors meant for indigenous people. And that is a betrayal that must cut very deep.

yorkster

(1,571 posts)
28. I thought her mother was part or half Mic'Maq.
Tue Oct 31, 2023, 04:29 PM
Oct 2023

Read that in a couple of places - can't remember where.

Very convoluted and unfortunate story
If true..

Vogon_Glory

(9,143 posts)
3. I'm staying out of this, but
Mon Oct 30, 2023, 04:33 PM
Oct 2023

Did she do First Americans any good with her activism? If she did, and if it was enough, perhaps some. First Nation could consider adopting her?

As for me, I don’t qualify for First Nation status. My ancestors crossed the Atlantic after 1620.

obamanut2012

(26,230 posts)
4. Shania Twain was not born First Nations, but is First Nations and holds a status card
Mon Oct 30, 2023, 04:46 PM
Oct 2023

I am curious if Buffy's background is anything like that? Twain is considered Temagami by the Temagami.

"Twain was born Eilleen Regina Edwards in Windsor, Ontario, on August 28, 1965,[24] to Sharon (née Morrison) and Clarence Edwards. She has two sisters, Jill and Carrie Ann. Her parents divorced when she was two and her mother moved to Timmins, Ontario, with her daughters. Sharon married Jerry Twain, an Ojibwa from the nearby Mattagami First Nation, and they had a son, Mark, together. Jerry adopted the girls and legally changed their surname to Twain. When Mark was a toddler, Jerry and Sharon adopted Jerry's baby nephew Darryl when his mother died. Because of Twain's connection to Jerry, the media have incorrectly reported that she is of Ojibwe descent. When questioned as to why she chose not to publicly acknowledge Edwards as her father for years she stated:

My father [Jerry Twain] went out of his way to raise three daughters that weren't even his. For me to acknowledge another man as my father, a man who was never there for me as a father, who wasn't the one who struggled every day to put food on our table, would have hurt him terribly. We were a family. Step-father, step-brothers, we never used that vocabulary in our home. To have referred to him as my step-father would have been the worst slap across the face to him.[26]

She currently holds a status card and is on the official band membership list of the Temagami First Nation."

madaboutharry

(40,252 posts)
5. Watch the program,The Fifth Estate, posted in the OP.
Mon Oct 30, 2023, 05:02 PM
Oct 2023

Her own family says that they have no indigenous ancestry and that she completely fabricated her origin story. Her birth certificate says she was born in Stoneham, Massachusetts and her parents were white. There is no Canadian First Nation family that she is related to by birth, a claim she started making in 1960.

I just find the whole thing very sad.

shrike3

(3,957 posts)
7. Just read the CBC account
Mon Oct 30, 2023, 05:19 PM
Oct 2023

Yikes. Her family told media outlets back in the '70s she had no indigenous ancestry. Her brother met a Sesame Street producer who remarked that he looked white. He responded that, in effect, Buffy was white, too. Her lawyers sent him a threatening letter and she eventually accused him of sexual abuse. (Which may well be true. I don't know.)

Buffy's done a lot of good in her life. I've always liked her. But -- wow.

Montauk6

(8,127 posts)
23. Buffy's response...
Tue Oct 31, 2023, 02:29 AM
Oct 2023

My Truth as I Know It

It is with great sadness, and a heavy heart, that I am forced to respond to deeply hurtful allegations that I expect will be reported in the media soon. Last month, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, contacted me to question my identity and the sexual assault I experienced as a child.

To relive those truths, and revisit questions I made peace with decades ago, has been beyond traumatic. But I know I owe it to those I love, and those who support me, to respond.

I am proud of my Indigenous-American identity, and the deep ties I have to Canada and my Piapot family.

More from this article: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/buffy-sainte-marie-releases-statement-about-indigenous-heritage-ahead-of-investigative-report/ar-AA1iUoVR

Talitha

(6,684 posts)
8. What I find extremely disappointing
Mon Oct 30, 2023, 05:26 PM
Oct 2023

Is that she threatened people who were in a position to expose her fraud.

Sounds like someone else we all know.

Elessar Zappa

(14,180 posts)
9. It's like every white person in the south that pretends they're part Cherokee.
Mon Oct 30, 2023, 05:28 PM
Oct 2023

These dna testing sites have really bursted some people’s bubble.

shrike3

(3,957 posts)
19. DH was told all his life he was part Cherokee.
Tue Oct 31, 2023, 12:48 AM
Oct 2023

Then his daughter did Ancestry. Scotch-Irish ... oops. Oh well.

LeftInTX

(25,970 posts)
37. LOL! Someone in a genealogy group said, "This has gotta be wrong, I'm 100% Native"
Tue Oct 31, 2023, 05:55 PM
Oct 2023

DNA showed 0%.

shrike3

(3,957 posts)
38. Yeah, surprise, surprise.
Tue Oct 31, 2023, 06:05 PM
Oct 2023

DH said, "My dad would rather climb a tree and tell a lie than stay on the ground and tell the truth."

But stories get told in a family. Maybe he was always told he was part Cherokee. There are a lot of people out there who think they've got Native American in them.

Mysterian

(4,618 posts)
12. She's a total fraud and treated her family members very cruelly
Mon Oct 30, 2023, 05:35 PM
Oct 2023

when they told the truth about her ancestry.

wnylib

(21,941 posts)
15. Looks like she is a white person of European descent
Mon Oct 30, 2023, 06:43 PM
Oct 2023

who was adopted by a Native family and then took on their cultural identity.

Then she reversed the adoption story to claim that she was born Native and adopted by a Caucasian family.

Why she rejected her biological family and their culture is unknown. She claimed to have been sexually molested. Was that made up in order to protect her career and prevent exposure of her origins? Or is there any truth to the molestation claim?Possibly molested by someone besides her brother but he was targeted because he was a threat to her career?

Her claim to be culturally Native is legitimate since she was adopted into a Native family and accepted their culture as her own. For example, if someone comes to the US from another country and becomes a naturalized citizen, it is legitimate for then to call themselves an American.

The lie is in her claim to be Native by birth. Only she knows why it is important to her to perpetuate that lie.





LeftInTX

(25,970 posts)
17. She was never adopted
Mon Oct 30, 2023, 06:59 PM
Oct 2023

Her dad's Italian with a changed name from Santamaria to Sainte-Marie. Both parents are listed as white. However, her mother could still be native-american. Who knows? It was the 60's and it was in vogue to be Native American. Look at Cher. She really did a job on the Armenians by claiming she was Native American. She did until very recently. That's entertainment. Certainly more entertaining then being Armenian.

Thank goodness my kids don't have to lie about being Native-American! They are 1/4. But it's south of the border Native-American, so I don't know if it counts. Hubby's DNA is 50% NA. "I'm not a member of a tribe, OK"
But they are also 1/4 Armenian.

wnylib

(21,941 posts)
18. I listened to the entire program. A Native couple said
Mon Oct 30, 2023, 07:22 PM
Oct 2023

that they adopted her into their family when she was in her 20s. The head of the tribal nation said the same thing. Adoption of non Native people into a tribe is a thing that happens in Native cultures. It does not necessarily mean adoption of a child to raise.

Tribal nations have their own rules about adopting non Natives. Among the Seneca, for example, you would have to be adopted into a clan in order to be accepted as Seneca. That is usually reserved for someone who, although not Seneca by birth, has contributed to the Seneca nation's well being. It is not hereditary. The adopted person's membership does not pass on to his or her descendants.

Docreed2003

(16,919 posts)
34. That's my favorite to mention when famous people are exposed for claiming native ancestry
Tue Oct 31, 2023, 05:30 PM
Oct 2023

That dude legit made a career "acting" as if he were indigenous. When I was in Boy Scouts in the 80's/early90's, the Boy Scout Reservation where we held summer camp brought Iron Eyes out in full "regalia" for an event and pictures with the scouts.

 

MyNameIsJonas

(744 posts)
21. It's bad.
Tue Oct 31, 2023, 01:50 AM
Oct 2023

It's fine the Piapot First Nation will not turn its back on her - and they have every right to do what they feel is right for their community. But the entire story is rotten. She lied about being adopted. She lied about her background. She made claims she was sexually molested as a child by her brother and now you gotta wonder if those were lies too.

She completely fabricated her story.

It doesn't take away the good she's done but it's absolutely an awful look for her and should raise questions about her sincerity and decency.

Montauk6

(8,127 posts)
22. Whoa, whoa, wait a sec...
Tue Oct 31, 2023, 02:01 AM
Oct 2023

This is shocking, indeed. You mean, she's been Dolezalling all this time????!!!!

EDIT: Watching the program now... this is insane!

Wingus Dingus

(8,060 posts)
27. Yeah, people were pretty mad at 'ol Rachel, but she didn't have
Tue Oct 31, 2023, 04:19 PM
Oct 2023

60 years of folk music to endear herself first. But, it's weird AF. This lady's a total fraud. A person of Italian/English descent passing herself off as Native American her entire life---and she knew what she was doing too...

dembotoz

(16,883 posts)
30. indigenous folks have been treated poorly since columbus showed up
Tue Oct 31, 2023, 04:30 PM
Oct 2023

what is next? a 23 and me test before you can buy green beer on st pats day?

Maybe if she was trying to wrangle a share of casino proceeds that go to tribal members...but she does not appear to be going after monetary gain.....

Maybe she believed family stories.....
seem i might be a distant relative to an SS general executed during ww2
Family never talked about him

madaboutharry

(40,252 posts)
32. I encourage you to watch the program linked in the OP.
Tue Oct 31, 2023, 05:15 PM
Oct 2023

She did take what was not hers. She spent six decades accepting awards and honors that were meant for indigenous artists. She accepted being presented as a representative of Canada's First Nations peoples. She presented her music as being inspired by her experience as an indigenous person.
There were no family stories. It is all a lie.

Jilly_in_VA

(10,064 posts)
31. First of all
Tue Oct 31, 2023, 05:04 PM
Oct 2023

it was common in those days for an adopted child in most states to be given a completely new birth certificate with the adoptive parents' names on it, wiping out their birth parents' names. This happened to a friend of mine, born more recently than Buffy. Secondly, this whole thing was brought up by her brother, who I believe may be retaliating for her accusing him of sexually abusing her as a child. So there are those two things to consider before you buy this story.

Wingus Dingus

(8,060 posts)
33. I read the original CBC article, and they went to great lengths to show
Tue Oct 31, 2023, 05:18 PM
Oct 2023

that there was no new certificate issued--she wasn't adopted, she wasn't born in Canada. There is only one birth record. There is no question about that, according to Massachusetts and Canadian officials who control the records.

LeftInTX

(25,970 posts)
36. She was born in Massachusetts. Her father's name was Sainte-Marie
Tue Oct 31, 2023, 05:52 PM
Oct 2023

Both parents are listed as "White" on her birth certificate. She was raised by her birth parents.

madaboutharry

(40,252 posts)
39. Did you watch the program?
Tue Oct 31, 2023, 06:08 PM
Oct 2023

Many relatives have come forward to say she fabricated her ancestry. Further, officials at city hall in Stoneham, Massachusetts unequivocally verified that the birth certificate is the original birth certificate issued at her birth to her two white parents and is NOT a new certificate issued after an adoption.

shrike3

(3,957 posts)
40. From the CBC investigation:
Tue Oct 31, 2023, 06:12 PM
Oct 2023

CBC travelled to Stoneham, Mass., three kilometres from Sainte-Marie’s childhood home, to see the birth certificate she has claimed for years doesn’t exist.

Town clerk Maria Sagarino showed CBC the secure vault that contains all Stoneham birth certificates.

She flipped through a 1941 binder until she reached Feb. 20 — certificate No. 49.

She pulled Sainte-Marie’s original, handwritten birth certificate from its clear plastic sleeve. It was signed by Dr. Herbert Land — the same doctor who delivered Sainte-Marie’s sister, Lainey, in 1948. He certified that Sainte-Marie was born at 3:15 a.m. to Albert and Winifred Santamaria.

“This is the original that came from the hospital,” said Sagarino, who has worked at the Stoneham town hall for more than 20 years. “There’s no refuting this because it’s in my custody from my files in my vault.”

In her email to CBC, Sainte-Marie’s lawyer said: “Research has also revealed that children adopted by parents in Massachusetts were commonly issued new Massachusetts birth certificates with the name of their adoptive parents.”

CBC asked Sagarino if that happened in this case.

She said no.

“It doesn’t appear that she was adopted in any way, shape or form,” Sagarino said.

She said if Sainte-Marie had truly been adopted from Saskatchewan, the file would contain her legal adoption records and proof she entered the United States.

Instead, her file only contains an original Stoneham birth certificate.

“If you were to look at all the other ones in the book you would see the same thing,” she said. “They’re all set up the same way with the same information because it is a template.”

Furthermore, she said, as each certificate is registered, it is given a number and filed in chronological order.

So if Sainte-Marie was truly born in Saskatchewan on Feb. 20 as her 2018 biography indicates, and weeks or months later adopted into Massachusetts, it would be difficult to explain how birth certificate No. 49 sits neatly between baby 48 born on Feb. 18 and baby 50, born Feb. 24.

“I can say absolutely with 100 per cent certainty that this is the original birth certificate. Beverly Jean Santamaria was born in Stoneham, Mass., at New England Sanatorium and Hospital on Feb. 20, 1941,” said Sagarino.

https://www.cbc.ca/newsinteractives/features/buffy-sainte-marie

FWIW, I would love for this story to turn out not to be true, but so far the evidence says otherwise.

Docreed2003

(16,919 posts)
35. The lengths that some will go to excuse this artist's behavior are gross
Tue Oct 31, 2023, 05:36 PM
Oct 2023

Look, I get you may love her music, but she's a fraud. She knowingly misrepresented herself for DECADES! This is not OK, no matter how much you may love an artist's work.

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