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A New York doctor who was active in the Occupy Wall Street movement of 2011 was charged Saturday with possessing a large quantity of chemicals used in bomb-making, hours after authorities conducted a raid on the Ridgewood house in which he lived, officials said.
Roberto Rivera, 60, a medical doctor, was charged with recklessly creating a risk of widespread injury or damage after FBI agents and members of the Bergen County bomb squad found precursor chemicals used in the making of explosives, Bergen County Prosecutor John Molinelli said in a release Saturday afternoon.
http://ridgewood.patch.com/articles/possible-public-safety-threat-probed-on-union-st
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
oldhippydude
(2,514 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)You can make bombs from it, but why can't this report say what exact chemicals were found.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and I will leave it at that. Reminds me of the good ol' WMD threads in Usenet before Gulf War II, those Republicans were scared to no end. until some of us pointed out just how many potential nastiness could happen.
What I find curious is the Occupy Doctor in the headline.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)I took her around my yard and pointed out just how many poisonous plants I had in my garden that are common ornamentals in most people's gardens.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Oleanders growing outside her door
Soon they're gonna be in bloom
Up in Annandale
I can't stand her
Doing what she did before
Living like a gypsy queen
In a fairy tale
Well I hear the whistle but I can't go
I'm gonna take her down to Mexico
She said oh no
Guadalajara won't do
Cleita
(75,480 posts)Since I live in California, and we don't get a whole lot of year round rain, they are very hardy during the dry season and have really pretty flowers and they are evergreen. They are a really nice ornamental shrub. Also, garden pests know they are poisonous so they leave them alone. They are one of a few plants that every part is poisonous, the roots, the stems, the leaves, the flowers and the seeds.
LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)and so many more plants.
Mother Nature's own poison factories.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Two curious parrots.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)My garden is full of birds. They know what can be eaten and want isn't good. Only man made poisons for garden pests can fool them, especially if they eat bugs or snails that have eaten pest control poisons, so I don't use anything toxic in my garden. The deer who are very fond of my roses know to never go near the Oleander, fox gloves and the night shades.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)It s actually a concern.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)comfortable with.
LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)There are indoor plants I won't allow in the house, like dracaena, because it's so toxic. With two cats and two dogs, it's too risky.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)and children. The people at the nursery usually know which is which. I like to keep orchids indoors and my cat just ignores them other than batting the drooping ones with his paw every now and then.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)$17 / gallon at Home Depot.
It is used with hydrogen peroxide to make triacetone triperoxide.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/tatp.htm
Cleita
(75,480 posts)Everyone has bleach in various forms throughout their house and medicine cabinet. Really? I mean if there was a sort of bomb assembled, and then there were the chemicals in the same area, then I would worry.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)at the hardware store. Actually I think I got some for getting varnish out of some brushes. Acetone even in pure form is a normal household product one might have for taking out paint, varnish, certain glues and stuff like that. I had no idea there were so many different kinds and mixtures of removers until I went to the hardware store looking for something to clean those brushes. I always thought paint remover was just one type of average stuff, but there's sooooo many different types of solvents for so many different things.
I would guess they could tell if the purpose was for bomb making if he had large quantities of stuff and especially all in the same area and all of them for bomb making.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Probably you too. I have acetone, used to remove nail polish and great if you stick fingers with super glue...I got hydrogen peroxide in my first aid kit.
I know it is the quantities.
There are a few other things under your sink that have potential. PSA, a few household cleaners, when accidentally (most of the time) mixed, could prove deadly, and become a wonderful hazmat situation...and don't get me started with what is sold to kill bugs.
intaglio
(8,170 posts)and the catalyst for epoxy is a peroxide ...
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Not just chemical fertilizer.
That headline is PR gold for TPTB.
This picture is apparently of an accident involving a substance common in millions of homes in the US.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)pretty much would know what could be used.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)But, for a WMD grade threat Kimchee and Beer is devastating.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)The police reported to the newspapers that they found explosives, a baptismal font, and restraining devices for children on the premises.
What they actually found was legal firecrackers (the 4th of July was just around the corner), a kiddie pool for their two young children and one of those bouncy seats you put your kids into (it has straps so they don't fall out).
From that I learned to have a great deal of healthy skepticism about reports of 'explosives', bomb making material, and so forth. Until specifics are offered.
greytdemocrat
(3,299 posts)Clearly a Rovian plot.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)greytdemocrat
(3,299 posts)With all those chemicals it must surely smell of something.
Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)As I was reading through here I was hoping some one would say something! I don't like the how little info there is on this.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)bleach and other stuff used around the home. I would only be suspicious if there was also the hardware around to assemble a bomb. This so stinks of witch hunt to me.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)Drew Richards
(1,558 posts)under what or WHOS aegis a warrant ...if there was one...was sworn out for this doctors home?
Oh yes yes the f)*&)(*& patriot act is such a good thing isint it...it will NEVER be used against us....
Cleita
(75,480 posts)who just want to trash the Occupy Movement like it's gospel truth. Even when stuff like this is debunked like by Snopes for instance, the damage has been done already. They said the Doctor wasn't employed, but he was sixty years old and maybe retired. You know the devil is in the details.
madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)Idiots.
WhoIsNumberNone
(7,875 posts)Corn syrup, mothballs and ammonia.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Movement. He's automatically disqualified. Sounds more like he belongs to some branch of the US Government who make bombs all the time AND they use them, which no one seems to care about.
That should be obvious considering how clear it has been made that Occupy is a non-violent movement. Dumb article, dumb headline.
More nonsense to try to discredit a Social Justice Movment which will only be successful with those who hate it anyway.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)to be honest, after all we all have precursor agents at home... I am serious as a heart attack.
What can I say?
And if for whatever reason he was... the occupy part is not what matters here.
DemoTex
(25,399 posts)Edward Abbey lives!
JoeyT
(6,785 posts)Everyone in this thread has bomb making chemicals in their house. The word "precursor" is important: If he'd made anything remotely resembling a bomb, had instructions to make a bomb, or had spoken of making a bomb, they wouldn't have said precursors.
The "bomb making chemicals" could have been certain kinds of fertilizer, methanol, ethanol, diesel, gasoline, or a whole bunch of other stuff.*
So I think I'll wait for some actual evidence before I insist the Occupy movement is full of terrorists. Though I do note the glee the usual suspects are taking in this.
I mean, good grief. What more evidence could we need?
*Edited to add: Bug spray, hair spray, propane, road flares, matches: Basically anything that's a liquid or powder and burns well. Technically you create a "Large amount of volatile material" by filling up your gas tank.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)attack were fuel filled airplanes. There was nothing exotic here. This is nothing more than a witch hunt meant to discredit Occupy.