Rove was never smart. He was willing to go for the low life, criminal methods he specialized in, that others weren't willing to go for or stoop to. That's why he succeeded for a while, but now that most of the world is familiar with his tricks, he's doomed. He can't really outsmart very smart people for very long.

Rove was the latter, succeeding because he was willing to violate all the laws of religion, man, and country.

Eventually that sort of thing will catch up to people and this is that time. He's been shown a complete fool for believing a Big Lie by one of his own, Neil Newhouse.

Ever since then he has been a over-hyped hack.

I mean, Democrats won big in 2006 and 2008, and he spent $300 million to lose in 2012.

Maybe to keep the legend going he can claim 2010.

He's a criminal turned fraud.

And if Rove was pulling the strings, why was he on Fox, instead of election HQ in Boston? Doesn't compute. Maybe Anon messed with ORCA, big if since there's no proof other than their claim, but since Rove had nothing to do with it they didn't thwart Rove.

He used the Romney campaign to set up Orca and the hack, because he couldn't ^actually^ do biz with the campaign and that is why he was on Fox.

If you believe that Rove did not have a hack planned, well, then, heh, have fun with that.

ORCA was a failure before the election. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

A front to be able to hack the election.

Had they been able to hack, they would have pointed at Orca as the reason the votes were so huge for Romney.

It was such a known and epic faillure, even if the vote was successfully hacked, ORCA couldn't have been claimed the reason for victory.

The loss from the hack in 2004 was blamed on Dem support for Gays.

In their biz, all they need is an excuse. It doesn't even have to be true. If Romney had won we'd have all been looking for the why and Rove would have said it was the ground game, just like 2004.

Yeah, and if McCain had won...

"In their biz, all they need is an excuse."

And all some need is perpetual conspiracy.

Rove just lost $300 million. He couldn't even make the race look close.

Are you claiming there was no hack planned? That 2004 was not hacked? Please, don't tell me you are a denier.

Most of Rove's efforts were for the congress races. And the pubs only lost @10 seats. Not exactly a big win for us, eh?

Most of Rove's 2012 outward activities were in congressional races because he could not actively work with the Romney campaign. All he could do was covertly assure Romney that he could deliver the votes.

But what happened was that Anonymous got into the network and blocked the hack.

In 2004, we saw the greatest percentage of new voters ever. Of those @16 million more votes than 2000, Bush is said to have garnered 10 million and Kerry just 6 million. (Those numbers are off the top of my head).

Ohio saw many, many funny numbers in 2004. The exit polls were off by astronomical numbers. Rove and Blackwell were both in office at the time and were in place to cause many alterations. Those are 2004 facts. Are you gonna deny those facts?

Who the hell is denying 2004? I said Rove and Republicans succeeded.

I'm saying that the claims around Rove and 2012 are bullshit!

He spent a lot of money and his party lost. Period.

It shakes their view of reality. Now to tell them that Karl tried for a third time to steal the election is rocking their world. And telling them that Anon saved the day is way too much for their small minded reality.

bullshit conspiracies.

"Now to tell them that Karl tried for a third time to steal the election is rocking their world."

Yeah, idiot Karl skipped 2008. How does it feel to be so afraid of a hack?

were stolen. There may be a very good explanation as to why the very outspoken Bush and Cheney shut their mouths and slithered out of town in 2008. Why the Republicans chose nitwit McCain and dipshit Palin as their candidates. But it is lost on you and those that live in the "everything is as is seems" bubble.

Why would you say that I am afraid of Karl? To discount what I say? How childish. Karl's job is to conspire and steal elections. If you dont agree, tell us what you think he has been doing since 2008.

"Tell us that you dont believe that 2000 and 2004 presidential elections"

...reading my comments or is this obfuscation?

I mean, I stated that Rove succeeded in 2004, but you're pretending that I didn't.

As for 2012, this Rove, ORCA, Anonymous claim is bullshit.

Rove was counting on Husted succeeding in suppressing the vote in Ohio. That's it.

His idiotic ass spent $300 million dollars and his hopes came down to a state that Romney still couldn't win, one that wouldn't win him the election.

FAIL!

The facts shocked me. It was very hard to accept that the system could be so easily corrupted.

So I can understand. Not condone, just understand the reticence.

What a bunch of fuck ups!

They were poised to attribute success to the thing deemed a failure?

Sometimes bullshit is bullshit!

They data mining techniques used alone were interesting..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021764972

Bush 41 had no right to win in 1988 after 8 years of reagan when Dukakis was ahead during the summer. Sure they used slander and lies in 1988 but they won in a mini landslide.

willing to commit crimes most decent people COULD commit but would not.

The tragedy is that rather than tell the truth about him, Democrats remained silent and even credited him with 'genius' which was a total lie.

I am still hoping he will pay for this crimes, for outing Valerie Plame, for conducting a partisan witch hunt against Don Siegelman, for helping to steal two elections, just to start the long list of his crimes.

alxerod kicked his ass in two elections.

alxerod did`t need to use the supreme court and rigged machines in ohio.