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WillParkinson

(16,862 posts)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:54 AM Nov 2012

Am I wrong in this belief?

Tonight on my way home I saw a young man standing at the bus stop. It's 38 degrees outside. At 3:30 in the morning all the buses have stopped running. Paul says I should not have stopped and offered to assist him. I disagree. Because he was so adamant about it, I did not, and I'm feeling bad about it.

Which is right? Help someone in need, like I would want someone to help me, or worry that something might happen if you do help them?

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Am I wrong in this belief? (Original Post) WillParkinson Nov 2012 OP
Hard to say, but sometimes it's best to err on the side of caution. Drunken Irishman Nov 2012 #1
It is tough to decide sometimes. I think in a case like this you just Live and Learn Nov 2012 #2
No. You aren't wrong. pugetres Nov 2012 #3
Maybe he was waiting for his ride, babylonsister Nov 2012 #4
Help - That's What I Would Have Done WiffenPoof Nov 2012 #5
+1 nt Live and Learn Nov 2012 #6
You are oldbanjo Nov 2012 #10
Well, if you're a religious man ReRe Nov 2012 #7
As a woman, I think yours is the best answer: ask him if he's waiting for a ride, if not offer to Squinch Nov 2012 #19
I have never regretted stopping to assist someone or picking up a hitchhiker cali Nov 2012 #8
Same here. n/t FSogol Nov 2012 #11
Same here. Phentex Nov 2012 #16
I have been a good Samaritan many times... in my younger years ReRe Nov 2012 #23
It's an odd choice Shankapotomus Nov 2012 #9
I am shocked at the comments that I have read oldbanjo Nov 2012 #12
I just don't feel that way. cali Nov 2012 #13
I think everyone's answer here is dependent on their location. Rural, urban, people driving by or Squinch Nov 2012 #20
Most of the time it's a trip to the train station... Phentex Nov 2012 #17
90% reggaehead Nov 2012 #14
Thirty-eight is not that cold Android3.14 Nov 2012 #15
This Californain would disagree with you. Le Taz Hot Nov 2012 #21
I try to use good judgement... Phentex Nov 2012 #18
Mexican heroin Protalker Nov 2012 #22
I don't really think you were in the wrong redStateBlueHeart Nov 2012 #24
short story but true GETTINGTIRED Nov 2012 #27
What makes you think he needed help? Maybe he was waiting for his ride. Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #25
I would not have stopped bigwillq Nov 2012 #26
my husband was almost mugged last week liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #28
I drive a beat up truck and usually have a few dogs with me Kali Nov 2012 #29
If you had an extra sweater in the car, roody Nov 2012 #30
Question of judgment in context, not right or wrong. DirkGently Nov 2012 #31
I don't think there's really a right or wrong here fishwax Nov 2012 #32
You should have offered the info that buses have stopped running JaneyVee Nov 2012 #33
The question isn't H2O Man Nov 2012 #34
 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
1. Hard to say, but sometimes it's best to err on the side of caution.
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 06:00 AM
Nov 2012

It also depends. You make it sound as if Paul was with you? If there's two people in the car, that changes my view somewhat. If you were alone, no, it's probably not a good idea. It sucks, but I've seen enough horror movies to know it's never a good idea (of course, some pornos start out that way too, so...).

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
2. It is tough to decide sometimes. I think in a case like this you just
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 06:01 AM
Nov 2012

have to go with your gut instinct and hope it was the right choice.

 

pugetres

(507 posts)
3. No. You aren't wrong.
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 06:07 AM
Nov 2012

If it within your power to help, help.

I can imagine some awful things that could happen but I...

It is possible to help and to also keep yourself in a place where you feel safe. Call me naive. But, it is possible.

Why in the heck did your silly post hit me this way?

WiffenPoof

(2,404 posts)
5. Help - That's What I Would Have Done
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 06:41 AM
Nov 2012

I know that there is a possibility that it could be risky but...

I sort of equate it with owning a handgun. Other family members have asked me why I refuse to have any guns in my house. First, there are grandkids that come over...but more to the point. I'm asked what if you needed to defend your home? I usually say that I would rather be a statistic than have a gun in my house...it's a matter of principle. They think I'm crazy.

Paige (A Male Version)

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
7. Well, if you're a religious man
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:36 AM
Nov 2012

and a Christian in particular, this is what Jesus said: "Inasmuch as ye have done it unto the least of these, my brethren, ye have done it unto ME." Which I interpret as "treat others as if they were Me." That that person could have been Jesus standing there in the cold dark night. If you truly profess that kind of religion, then I guess you would stop. If you are a man of true faith, you would stop, even though your life might have been threatened. If you're true to your beliefs, you have NO FEAR. Could have been, he was waiting on a ride. I say you did the safe thing for yourself at the moment. If you had continued to feel guilty after getting home, you could call him a cab. Yeah, he was probably waiting on a ride, so don't worry about it. I don't know where you live, but if it's a city, a cop would be sauntering by soon and would stop to see what he was up to and maybe even give him a ride just to get him off the street. Stop feeling guilty.

Squinch

(50,957 posts)
19. As a woman, I think yours is the best answer: ask him if he's waiting for a ride, if not offer to
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:42 AM
Nov 2012

call him a cab and if he needs it, give him the cash to pay for it.

Ain't no way I'm going to feel safe with a stranger in my car at 3:30 in the morning.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
8. I have never regretted stopping to assist someone or picking up a hitchhiker
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:40 AM
Nov 2012

but I think it's totally up to how you feel. There is no right or wrong here.

Phentex

(16,334 posts)
16. Same here.
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:09 AM
Nov 2012

I tend to give rides to women more often than men, but it's sort of a case by case thing.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
23. I have been a good Samaritan many times... in my younger years
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:20 PM
Nov 2012

and never ever regretted it. Found this guy on the side of the street one time after I left work in the middle of the night with his head bleeding profusely, hollering for help. I wrapped my lab coat around his head and took him to the nearest ER. Did get my lab coat back entirely soaked in blood. Took it home, threw it in the bathtubfull of cold H2O, then into a washer with hottest H2O and about a gallon of bleach & a ton of soap. Came clean as a whistle.

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
9. It's an odd choice
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:59 AM
Nov 2012

We're supposed to be a "united" nation, one big tribe and yet we can't realistically trust each other in a situation like that. Something must have gone terribly wrong in our social evolution if we have to feel that risk when offering to help someone.

oldbanjo

(690 posts)
12. I am shocked at the comments that I have read
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:24 AM
Nov 2012

on this post. You should not stop, today there are so many drugs on the street that it would be crazy for anyone to stop. If your a woman alone in a car and you know the person you would be taking a chance stopping. If you pick them up and get stopped by a cop and they throw drugs under the seat in your car you will go to jail. Today you should pick up no one.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
13. I just don't feel that way.
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:35 AM
Nov 2012

Granted, I no longer get out of Vermont much and there really is a sense of community here. I often pick up young, scraggly looking men and almost invariably they are hitching 40 miles or more to a job. They are always so grateful- even if I can only take them a few miles.

Squinch

(50,957 posts)
20. I think everyone's answer here is dependent on their location. Rural, urban, people driving by or
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:46 AM
Nov 2012

deserted road. The answer changes.

Phentex

(16,334 posts)
17. Most of the time it's a trip to the train station...
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:18 AM
Nov 2012

Especially for women with young children. I picked up a guy in the pouring rain once and drove him home. The few minutes for me was a four mile walk for him. I don't drive to places i'm not familiar with. I am always the one to offer a ride. I think the person out to harm me would be the one looking for a ride.

I think i frightened a guy once after he said he knew i must be a good christian lady and i told him i was not a believer.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
15. Thirty-eight is not that cold
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:06 AM
Nov 2012

That's long-sleeve shirt weather or sweater. I would have called the police and asked them to check on the guy. In Maine, a good PD will check it out without hassling the guy, and even give a person a ride without even hinting at arrest. They live there too.
-Maine resident from Texas

Protalker

(418 posts)
22. Mexican heroin
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:08 AM
Nov 2012

I work in a picture perfect small town in Ohio which is riddled with opiates. I advise all people to use judgement.
The road to hell is pavedcwith good intention.

redStateBlueHeart

(265 posts)
24. I don't really think you were in the wrong
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:19 PM
Nov 2012

This might be me speaking as a woman, but if I was driving late at night and saw a guy waiting for a ride I don't think I would stop - not because I didn't want to help, but because I'd feel it was in my best interest to err on the side of caution. This is especially true if I was alone. If the guy was elderly, it might make a difference.

GETTINGTIRED

(330 posts)
27. short story but true
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:26 PM
Nov 2012

My mother just passed thru a toll booth and saw an elderly woman walking along side of the road she drove past aways and then pulled over to pick the woman up. Carefully watching in her rear view she watched the old woman raise her long skirt up to begin a sprint to reach my mothers vehicle ...exposing jeans and men's shoes my mother took off just as the person reached for her BACK DOOR HANDLE....you never know sometimes if what your seeing IS what your seeing...

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
25. What makes you think he needed help? Maybe he was waiting for his ride.
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:31 PM
Nov 2012

I mean, did he ask you for help or indicate in some way he needed help?

If you're convinced he needed help...I'm sorry, but it's just too dangerous to approach a total stranger in the middle of night, when you're by yourself, without others around. That's asking for it. You could, I suppose, have called to him from across a parking lot, with you staying in your car...but he might've then approached your car, and you would've been obliged to lower your window.

It's just too dangerous. If he needed help, he'd be in a more populous area. If he was really cold, he would've hunkered down somewhere, out of the wind, and away from being out there all alone and vulnerable to crazy people. Maybe he wasn't afraid of crazy people because he's one of them?

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
26. I would not have stopped
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:49 PM
Nov 2012

But there's no right or wrong answer here. Up to the individual person to decide to stop or not.

I don't trust anyone really so I would not have stopped for this reason. He can figure out how to get to the next place he needs to go without my help.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
28. my husband was almost mugged last week
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:35 PM
Nov 2012

out in broad daylight. Luckily a couple of people did pass by and ask if my husband was okay. My husband who is legally blind and uses a cane quickly said he did not know this person so the strangers asked the person bothering my husband to be on his way. He did, and my husband hurried to the nearest bus and came straight home. It is sad that we have to second guess whether to help someone. If not for those strangers who intervened to help my husband he could have been hurt or killed but they were out in public in the middle of the day. I would say really listen to your instincts. If you feel the slightest bit of uneasiness don't do it. Isolation is usually not a safe position to put yourself in and giving someone a ride in a car is putting yourself in an isolated position. Help when you know you can help, but be cautious.

Kali

(55,014 posts)
29. I drive a beat up truck and usually have a few dogs with me
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:38 PM
Nov 2012

so I will almost always offer to help or give a ride if I can. if they are willing to put up with the hair and dirt or even ride in the back I will take them to the next exit/town/whatever.

dog knows I have needed the help enough damn times myself. and it us usually other poor people in beaters that stop. we are all in this together.

roody

(10,849 posts)
30. If you had an extra sweater in the car,
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:42 PM
Nov 2012

you could have given it to him. My car is full of clothes because I am disorganized.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
31. Question of judgment in context, not right or wrong.
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:48 PM
Nov 2012

The impulse to help is good. The observation that you don't know what you're getting into stopping your car for a stranger whose situation you do not know in the middle of the night is also valid. This wasn't someone standing by a stranded vehicle, or someone waving for help, right?

An intermediate step would have been to stop, roll down the window, and inquire. "Do you need help?" Possible the person was meeting someone. Also possible he was homeless, which would open up another set of questions and options. In any event, you'd have a chance to evaluate who you were dealing with, which I'm sure you would have done anyway.

fishwax

(29,149 posts)
32. I don't think there's really a right or wrong here
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:00 PM
Nov 2012

One has to do what one is comfortable with. And a lot depends on factors specific to the incident (such as knowledge of the area). It sounds like Paul was with you at the time? Personally, I think it likely that in most such cases there is fairly little danger, but in such cases I also think it's important to respect one's companion's comfort level with the situation.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
33. You should have offered the info that buses have stopped running
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:11 PM
Nov 2012

Maybe the guy was just waiting for a ride and it was a good "landmark" to tell someone to meet. If it's not too much trouble you could offer some assistance, maybe $5 for a taxi ride. Safety first always though.

H2O Man

(73,573 posts)
34. The question isn't
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:15 PM
Nov 2012

"what might happen to me if I stop to help this stranger?" -- it is "what will I become if I refuse to help?" ..... paraphrasing Martin Luther King, Jr.

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