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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDoes Anyone Here Think That Anon Was Trying To Push Rove Into Outing Himself.....
and that his meltdown on election night on Fox was just short of that. He almost did out himself and those of us that watched that meltdown live - and now again watching it on the video clips - have been made to suspect what he tried to do because of his hysteric actions as he watched Fox call Ohio for Obama.
How cool would it have been if Rove outed himself that night?
I'm hoping, however, that Anon sent a message to Rove to not try to rig an election again and that maybe next time they just might push it to where Rove gets caught or they turn evidence over to the proper authorities if he did. A warning shot over the bow.
Let's hope Rove - soiled his underwear on Nov 6, 2012 - and that he'll never attempt to rig an election again. Let's hope Rove just fades off into the sunset - ostracized by his own party and the big money donors he looted - and under the suspicion of a whole bunch of Americans that would like to see him hauled off to jail in an orange jumpsuit.
liberal N proud
(60,338 posts)The question remains to be seen is if he will stop his criminal activity.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)Something he 100% expected to happen did not. And all that money his super pac collected was advance payment on a job that didn't get finished. Yeah. Rove got outsmarted. Someone either chickened out or Anonymous did him in.
Whichever way it happened, I hope he is hurting bigtime. Maybe being forced to give back all the money.
Dubster
(427 posts)cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)Whisp
(24,096 posts)Stevepol
(4,234 posts)This is exactly the way he handled things in 04, except in that case the electronic fix worked.
If his fix had worked, no reporter would have had the courage to even hint that there might be skulduggery involved. It would have been just like 04.
I believe the suggestion that Anon carried out a counter fix with a firewall is very believeable.
Since we don't have transparency in our elections, there's no way to know for sure of course. But for my money Rove's meltdown is a give-away that he had fixed the thing and it didn't happen -- for whatever reason.
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)Whisp
(24,096 posts)first time I've seen that. it's beautiful to see a flailing flustered Rove.
... I have watched that video twice, and to be honest I think the characterizations of Rove as having a "meltdown" are ridiculous.
What meltdown? Did he shout or cry or even raise his voice a little? He did nothing of the sort - he said there is only a 900 vote difference with 25% of the vote yet to be counted. To claim that he had a "meltdown" is beyond hyperbole.
Sure he wanted to win Ohio, just like we did. Sure he had a lot riding on it. But meltdown? There was no meltdown, maybe a bit of denial.
Rove's performance as an indicator that the results of this election came as a surprise? Yes. Proof that Rove was expecting a deux ex machina that did not appear? Nonsense.
Whether or not someone was trying/expecting to rig an election, well I have no opinion because I have no facts. It would not surprise me, but then I'd need to see SOME SORT of evidence. Rove's performance simply is not such evidence IMHO, not even close and trying to call it a "meltdown" doesn't make it evidence either.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)....like a nut
sendero
(28,552 posts)..... those people have been WRONG many many times.
When someone says "meltdown", I translate that, as I believe most people do, into "emotional outburst".
There was no emotional outburst in that clip. there was no meltdown.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)he said DEMOCRATIC and not DEMOCRAT like Karl Rove, and did not seem flustered to be taking on Karl
Zorra
(27,670 posts)http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/08/us/politics/roves-on-air-rebuttal-of-foxs-ohio-vote-call-raises-questions-about-his-role.html?_r=0
Indeed, in his 2010 memoir, Courage and Consequence, Mr. Rove recounts his dismay as NBC, CNN, CBS and an exit polling firm all called Florida for Al Gore before the polls in the states Panhandle had closed.
The networks calling Florida for Gore, he wrote, turned the media from observers to participants in the presidential race.
But Mr. Rove plays a more freighted role than campaign historian. There is no one quite like him in politics today. With a vast treasury at his disposal, he can direct huge sums of money to candidates, while helping shape political perceptions through his roles commenting for Fox News and writing a column for The Wall Street Journal.
He is famous for not being out of the loop, said Craig Unger, who wrote Boss Rove, a biography that examined his rise as a power player in the 2012 presidential campaign. His work on campaigns gives him access to both top Republican strategists and local operatives who know what is happening county by county, Mr. Unger noted. Hes not just another pundit.
"He's not just another pundit".
Indeed.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Is if everything turned out to be exactly as it seems on the surface.
n/t
Wind Dancer
(3,618 posts)Downwinder
(12,869 posts)RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)loudsue
(14,087 posts)In fact, there is no such word as "conspiracy" because it doesn't describe or define anything.
RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)And the layers and artifacts in the digital copy of Barack Obama's birth certificate PROVES, PROVES I SAY, that it is a fake!!!!
As if I even needed the tag
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HipChick
(25,485 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)santamargarita
(3,170 posts)Like 2004. That was priceless!
chuckstevens
(1,201 posts)The mainstream media won't mention this and I'll bet the Obama administration will avoid any investigations Let's prove that
A. Rove planned to steal the election, but was stopped.
B. Romney and Ryan knew about it and expected to win.
C. Many Republicans leaders all knew about it.
If this could be done, the GOP will be finished for good and go the way of the Federalist Party after the treasonous Hartford Convention of 1814. The American people have a right to know the desperate levels the Republicans will go to in order to subvert the democratic process.
gravity
(4,157 posts)and what evidence do you have supporting it?
The media won't take it seriously unless you have a specific scenario with evidence to back it up.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)If you have such fantastic evidence, present it and win people over.
If you 'can't be bothered', well then that makes it pretty clear you're peddling bullshit.
loudsue
(14,087 posts)thousands of hours of research on DU. In fact, a plenty of it was done right after the election. If you haven't been around here and seen it all, or didn't read the threads that had all the proof, it's a little too late to catch you up on it. It's not "a link". It is a whole library full of links.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)There's way too many stories where people make allegations.
There's little to no evidence.
loudsue
(14,087 posts)If you have your own agenda, nobody is going to educate you otherwise.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)I'm happy to be convinced. But innuendo isn't going to do it. So make with the actual evidence.
argiel1234
(390 posts)of course the right wing fascist media owned companies and their billionaire ceos wont take it seriously
anon does not answer to you...
ahahaha
jeff47
(26,549 posts)instead of the incompetent boob he actually is.
Consider this: Rove almost lost in 2004 (or did, depending on how conspiracy minded you are). Sitting president, good popularity, two wars going on, and Rove barely pulled off a win. If Rove was competent, 2004 would have been a landslide.
As for this election, Rove, Romney, Ryan and many others bought into the "polls are skewed" argument.
They thought the electorate would look like 2004, not 2008. They adjusted their polling to match that expectation. They were wrong, and the electorate looked like 2008.
Why was Rove shocked? Because his "unskewed" polls show the Republicans would win....and he'd just spent a billion dollars losing. And losing. And losing. In addition, Rove has marketed himself since 2000 as an expert on Ohio. And he got it very wrong. He was shocked because the loss demonstrated his career is over and he was coming to terms with his upcoming unemployment.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)You provided "Look over there!!! EVIL!!!!"
If you actually have evidence, present it. Otherwise, you're just wasting time propping up a lousy campaign operative.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)Rove 'brilliant'?
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)It wasn't a difficult election for W - incumbent, still fairly popular, running two wars the country still believed in. Huge tax cut give-aways. It should have been easy. And it wasn't. Because while Rove is good at self-promotion, he's pretty bad at running campaigns.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)seriously?
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)...no seriously...
Look at ALL the ways the GOP fucked up last decade....
Those people could care less about democracy, look at their voter suppression efforts
BlueMan Votes
(903 posts)if they did do something...they should have stayed quiet about it.
Kingofalldems
(38,461 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)The only way on television to show a character's inner thoughts is to visually show them.
If Rove thought Ohio was being flipped somehow, he would not display his emotions so readily. It would not even matter what Fox said, he would know it was in the bag.
True criminals do not give us 'clues' about their inner thoughts.
This idea is ludicrous.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)How will Anon react to being impersonated in such a low-quality fake video?
RandiFan1290
(6,239 posts)I'm loving it