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global1

(25,253 posts)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 12:11 PM Nov 2012

Does Anyone Here Think That Anon Was Trying To Push Rove Into Outing Himself.....

and that his meltdown on election night on Fox was just short of that. He almost did out himself and those of us that watched that meltdown live - and now again watching it on the video clips - have been made to suspect what he tried to do because of his hysteric actions as he watched Fox call Ohio for Obama.

How cool would it have been if Rove outed himself that night?

I'm hoping, however, that Anon sent a message to Rove to not try to rig an election again and that maybe next time they just might push it to where Rove gets caught or they turn evidence over to the proper authorities if he did. A warning shot over the bow.

Let's hope Rove - soiled his underwear on Nov 6, 2012 - and that he'll never attempt to rig an election again. Let's hope Rove just fades off into the sunset - ostracized by his own party and the big money donors he looted - and under the suspicion of a whole bunch of Americans that would like to see him hauled off to jail in an orange jumpsuit.

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Does Anyone Here Think That Anon Was Trying To Push Rove Into Outing Himself..... (Original Post) global1 Nov 2012 OP
Rove shit his shorts on election night alright liberal N proud Nov 2012 #1
Watching it live that night, I thought he very much outed himself Generic Other Nov 2012 #2
Spam deleted by gkhouston (MIR Team) Dubster Nov 2012 #3
And balloon boy was promoting better FAA small-craft guidelines. cthulu2016 Nov 2012 #4
anyone have a good clip of that Rove meltdown, I haven't seen it yet n/t Whisp Nov 2012 #5
Here's one clip. Stevepol Nov 2012 #11
+1000 nt ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #13
thanks, Stevepol Whisp Nov 2012 #15
Ok.. sendero Nov 2012 #27
The meltdown was to go against the statisticians who had been doing this all their career he looked uponit7771 Nov 2012 #36
Seriously.. sendero Nov 2012 #49
the stats guy actually seems kinda cool Skittles Nov 2012 #29
Now, compare that to this Karl Rove election night video ~ Florida 2000. Zorra Nov 2012 #43
At this point the only thing that would surprise me Fumesucker Nov 2012 #6
+1 villager Nov 2012 #26
Ditto! n/t Wind Dancer Nov 2012 #44
Wonder if the last minute patches were to take the FIX out. Downwinder Nov 2012 #7
Only the conspiracy theorists. n/t RomneyLies Nov 2012 #8
Because we all know that conspiracies in politics do not exist. loudsue Nov 2012 #9
Oh brother RomneyLies Nov 2012 #12
Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #19
oh boy.. HipChick Nov 2012 #20
seems that post won him a free pizza! Zorra Nov 2012 #47
You've never heard of "Watergate"? WinkyDink Nov 2012 #21
Nah...and there was no magic bullet report....that document was really named magic underwear uponit7771 Nov 2012 #37
Anon let them believe they were stealing Ohio just... santamargarita Nov 2012 #10
Why isn't this being taken seriously? chuckstevens Nov 2012 #14
How did Rove plan to steal the election gravity Nov 2012 #16
Google....... WinkyDink Nov 2012 #22
And you can't Google and cut-n-paste the results because..........? jeff47 Nov 2012 #34
There is way too much evidence. You would have to link to loudsue Nov 2012 #35
No, there isn't jeff47 Nov 2012 #39
Excuse me. You must be the authority here. loudsue Nov 2012 #40
Again, all you have to do is post some actual evidence. jeff47 Nov 2012 #41
the media is owned lock stock and barrel by right wing republicans argiel1234 Nov 2012 #25
Because it's a stupid conspiracy theory that makes Rove an evil genius jeff47 Nov 2012 #17
$300 million. Diebold. "Almost lost" = "won." Rove knew the correct polls; you think YOU knew more? WinkyDink Nov 2012 #23
I provided information backed by news stories jeff47 Nov 2012 #33
Rove "an incompetent boob" ? marions ghost Nov 2012 #42
Right. Palin was a brilliant masterstroke. Romney was another brilliant masterstroke. randome Nov 2012 #45
Palin and Romney are losers marions ghost Nov 2012 #46
A brilliant man would have created a landslide in 2004. Rove didn't. jeff47 Nov 2012 #48
why aren't claims by (literally) anonymous random people on the internet taken seriously? arely staircase Nov 2012 #18
IDK; is everyone who posts anything a fabulist? Physician, then heal thyself. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #24
The GOP would NOT be done, after Bush the GOP will stick around like roaches... uponit7771 Nov 2012 #38
what they're doing is giving rove a scapegoat for why he failed. BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #28
Kick and Rec Kingofalldems Nov 2012 #30
People who think Rove gave visual clues to his mood on election night watch too many dramas on TV. randome Nov 2012 #31
Is someone trying to out Anon with the fake video? Coyotl Nov 2012 #32
This story has the trolls all worked up RandiFan1290 Nov 2012 #50

liberal N proud

(60,338 posts)
1. Rove shit his shorts on election night alright
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 12:18 PM
Nov 2012

The question remains to be seen is if he will stop his criminal activity.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
2. Watching it live that night, I thought he very much outed himself
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 12:31 PM
Nov 2012

Something he 100% expected to happen did not. And all that money his super pac collected was advance payment on a job that didn't get finished. Yeah. Rove got outsmarted. Someone either chickened out or Anonymous did him in.

Whichever way it happened, I hope he is hurting bigtime. Maybe being forced to give back all the money.

Stevepol

(4,234 posts)
11. Here's one clip.
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 03:07 PM
Nov 2012


This is exactly the way he handled things in 04, except in that case the electronic fix worked.

If his fix had worked, no reporter would have had the courage to even hint that there might be skulduggery involved. It would have been just like 04.

I believe the suggestion that Anon carried out a counter fix with a firewall is very believeable.

Since we don't have transparency in our elections, there's no way to know for sure of course. But for my money Rove's meltdown is a give-away that he had fixed the thing and it didn't happen -- for whatever reason.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
27. Ok..
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:50 PM
Nov 2012

... I have watched that video twice, and to be honest I think the characterizations of Rove as having a "meltdown" are ridiculous.

What meltdown? Did he shout or cry or even raise his voice a little? He did nothing of the sort - he said there is only a 900 vote difference with 25% of the vote yet to be counted. To claim that he had a "meltdown" is beyond hyperbole.

Sure he wanted to win Ohio, just like we did. Sure he had a lot riding on it. But meltdown? There was no meltdown, maybe a bit of denial.

Rove's performance as an indicator that the results of this election came as a surprise? Yes. Proof that Rove was expecting a deux ex machina that did not appear? Nonsense.

Whether or not someone was trying/expecting to rig an election, well I have no opinion because I have no facts. It would not surprise me, but then I'd need to see SOME SORT of evidence. Rove's performance simply is not such evidence IMHO, not even close and trying to call it a "meltdown" doesn't make it evidence either.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
36. The meltdown was to go against the statisticians who had been doing this all their career he looked
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 12:49 PM
Nov 2012

....like a nut

sendero

(28,552 posts)
49. Seriously..
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 06:47 AM
Nov 2012

..... those people have been WRONG many many times.

When someone says "meltdown", I translate that, as I believe most people do, into "emotional outburst".

There was no emotional outburst in that clip. there was no meltdown.

Skittles

(153,169 posts)
29. the stats guy actually seems kinda cool
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:02 PM
Nov 2012

he said DEMOCRATIC and not DEMOCRAT like Karl Rove, and did not seem flustered to be taking on Karl

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
43. Now, compare that to this Karl Rove election night video ~ Florida 2000.
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 03:01 PM
Nov 2012


NYT: Rove’s On-Air Rebuttal of Fox’s Ohio Vote Call Raises Questions About His Role
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/08/us/politics/roves-on-air-rebuttal-of-foxs-ohio-vote-call-raises-questions-about-his-role.html?_r=0
Indeed, in his 2010 memoir, “Courage and Consequence,” Mr. Rove recounts his dismay as NBC, CNN, CBS and an exit polling firm all called Florida for Al Gore before the polls in the state’s Panhandle had closed.

“The networks calling Florida for Gore,” he wrote, “turned the media from observers to participants in the presidential race.”

But Mr. Rove plays a more freighted role than campaign historian. There is no one quite like him in politics today. With a vast treasury at his disposal, he can direct huge sums of money to candidates, while helping shape political perceptions through his roles commenting for Fox News and writing a column for The Wall Street Journal.

“He is famous for not being out of the loop,” said Craig Unger, who wrote “Boss Rove,” a biography that examined his rise as a power player in the 2012 presidential campaign. His work on campaigns gives him access to both top Republican strategists and local operatives who know what is happening county by county, Mr. Unger noted. “He’s not just another pundit.”


"He's not just another pundit".

Indeed.



Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
6. At this point the only thing that would surprise me
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 12:41 PM
Nov 2012

Is if everything turned out to be exactly as it seems on the surface.

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
9. Because we all know that conspiracies in politics do not exist.
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:52 PM
Nov 2012

In fact, there is no such word as "conspiracy" because it doesn't describe or define anything.

 

RomneyLies

(3,333 posts)
12. Oh brother
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 03:12 PM
Nov 2012


And the layers and artifacts in the digital copy of Barack Obama's birth certificate PROVES, PROVES I SAY, that it is a fake!!!!

As if I even needed the tag

Response to RomneyLies (Reply #12)

 

chuckstevens

(1,201 posts)
14. Why isn't this being taken seriously?
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 03:15 PM
Nov 2012

The mainstream media won't mention this and I'll bet the Obama administration will avoid any investigations Let's prove that

A. Rove planned to steal the election, but was stopped.
B. Romney and Ryan knew about it and expected to win.
C. Many Republicans leaders all knew about it.

If this could be done, the GOP will be finished for good and go the way of the Federalist Party after the treasonous Hartford Convention of 1814. The American people have a right to know the desperate levels the Republicans will go to in order to subvert the democratic process.


gravity

(4,157 posts)
16. How did Rove plan to steal the election
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:01 PM
Nov 2012

and what evidence do you have supporting it?

The media won't take it seriously unless you have a specific scenario with evidence to back it up.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
34. And you can't Google and cut-n-paste the results because..........?
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 12:50 AM
Nov 2012

If you have such fantastic evidence, present it and win people over.

If you 'can't be bothered', well then that makes it pretty clear you're peddling bullshit.

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
35. There is way too much evidence. You would have to link to
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 12:44 PM
Nov 2012

thousands of hours of research on DU. In fact, a plenty of it was done right after the election. If you haven't been around here and seen it all, or didn't read the threads that had all the proof, it's a little too late to catch you up on it. It's not "a link". It is a whole library full of links.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
39. No, there isn't
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 02:11 PM
Nov 2012

There's way too many stories where people make allegations.

There's little to no evidence.

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
40. Excuse me. You must be the authority here.
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 02:29 PM
Nov 2012

If you have your own agenda, nobody is going to educate you otherwise.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
41. Again, all you have to do is post some actual evidence.
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 02:32 PM
Nov 2012

I'm happy to be convinced. But innuendo isn't going to do it. So make with the actual evidence.

 

argiel1234

(390 posts)
25. the media is owned lock stock and barrel by right wing republicans
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:45 PM
Nov 2012

of course the right wing fascist media owned companies and their billionaire ceos wont take it seriously

anon does not answer to you...


ahahaha

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
17. Because it's a stupid conspiracy theory that makes Rove an evil genius
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:16 PM
Nov 2012

instead of the incompetent boob he actually is.

Consider this: Rove almost lost in 2004 (or did, depending on how conspiracy minded you are). Sitting president, good popularity, two wars going on, and Rove barely pulled off a win. If Rove was competent, 2004 would have been a landslide.

As for this election, Rove, Romney, Ryan and many others bought into the "polls are skewed" argument.

They thought the electorate would look like 2004, not 2008. They adjusted their polling to match that expectation. They were wrong, and the electorate looked like 2008.

Why was Rove shocked? Because his "unskewed" polls show the Republicans would win....and he'd just spent a billion dollars losing. And losing. And losing. In addition, Rove has marketed himself since 2000 as an expert on Ohio. And he got it very wrong. He was shocked because the loss demonstrated his career is over and he was coming to terms with his upcoming unemployment.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
23. $300 million. Diebold. "Almost lost" = "won." Rove knew the correct polls; you think YOU knew more?
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:37 PM
Nov 2012

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
33. I provided information backed by news stories
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 12:48 AM
Nov 2012

You provided "Look over there!!! EVIL!!!!"

If you actually have evidence, present it. Otherwise, you're just wasting time propping up a lousy campaign operative.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
45. Right. Palin was a brilliant masterstroke. Romney was another brilliant masterstroke.
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 03:07 PM
Nov 2012

Rove 'brilliant'?

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
46. Palin and Romney are losers
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 03:27 PM
Nov 2012
The writers of "Bush's Brain" used the word "brilliant." I'll stand by the word re Carl Rove.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
48. A brilliant man would have created a landslide in 2004. Rove didn't.
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 04:06 PM
Nov 2012

It wasn't a difficult election for W - incumbent, still fairly popular, running two wars the country still believed in. Huge tax cut give-aways. It should have been easy. And it wasn't. Because while Rove is good at self-promotion, he's pretty bad at running campaigns.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
38. The GOP would NOT be done, after Bush the GOP will stick around like roaches...
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 12:52 PM
Nov 2012

...no seriously...

Look at ALL the ways the GOP fucked up last decade....

Those people could care less about democracy, look at their voter suppression efforts

 

BlueMan Votes

(903 posts)
28. what they're doing is giving rove a scapegoat for why he failed.
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:51 PM
Nov 2012

if they did do something...they should have stayed quiet about it.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
31. People who think Rove gave visual clues to his mood on election night watch too many dramas on TV.
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:10 PM
Nov 2012

The only way on television to show a character's inner thoughts is to visually show them.

If Rove thought Ohio was being flipped somehow, he would not display his emotions so readily. It would not even matter what Fox said, he would know it was in the bag.

True criminals do not give us 'clues' about their inner thoughts.

This idea is ludicrous.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
32. Is someone trying to out Anon with the fake video?
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:12 PM
Nov 2012

How will Anon react to being impersonated in such a low-quality fake video?

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