Quote?
Anything to give people a heads' up on this.

Link: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/protest-turns-violent-outside-dnc-headquarters-in-dc-developing/ar-AA1k0bbl

pepper-sprayed police officers.

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'pro-Palestine' with 'pro-Hamas,' bad news for everyone.

mashing those things up. Media just covering him.

The worst of the violence and the murders of law enforcement during the Floyd protests were committed by RightWing groups.

2 members of US far-right group Boogaloo Bois arrested for attempt to aid Hamas
https://www.timesofisrael.com/2-members-of-us-far-right-group-boogaloo-bois-arrested-for-attempt-to-aid-hamas/

we need to own and address the anti-semitism on our side.

You really should consider the idea that sometimes, just sometimes, people on our side can behave badly.

Were there right wing provocateurs stirring up trouble during the Floyd protests? Yes, there were. Were they responsible for all the problematic behavior that took place? No, and it's silly to assert otherwise and just hand wave it away as all their fault.

Sometimes, just sometimes, people on our side behave badly. It's entirely possible for people on our side to get carried away or even have bad intentions from the start. I suspect this incident is one of those times.

I have consistently said they committed the worst of the violence that occurred, including the murders of law enforcement.

You think these groups aren’t prepared to take advantage of these opportunities when people on the left are acting in the wrong? They are trained for these times.

Yes, right wing provocateurs committed some of the violence, probably the worst of the violence, but that neither excuses nor absolves those on the left who committed other, perhaps less egregious acts of violence. Whenever violence flares up that might have been committed by someone on the left, saying, "Well, remember that those dastardly right wingers did the worst of it last time" is tacitly denying that people on the left might be responsible this time and minimizing it if they were.

In my opinion, that's a facile and frankly dangerous response. If we deny or minimize the things people on our side are doing wrong, that's not helpful. We should be able to admit and call out when people on our side of the fence have done something wrong, without regard to whether someone on the right has done something equally bad or worse. I'm not a fan of giving someone a pass just because they're on my team.

On balance, I'm inclined to doubt right wing provocateurs were involved in the violence outside the DNC. The "pro-Palestinian left", for want of a better label, is extremely passionate about that position. It's an issue that is capable of provoking, and often does provoke, an extremely visceral response. Humans being what they are, that visceral response sometimes leads to violence without needing a provocateur to throw the first rock and manipulate the herd into violence.

based on the results of the investigations into the violence at the Floyd protests. You may be certain these organized groups have no intention of infiltrating other left generated protests, but, I see them as anxious to jump in at every opportunity and well-prepared.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkyb9b/far-right-extremists-are-hoping-to-turn-the-george-floyd-protests-into-a-new-civil-war

Bringing it up every time someone on the left might have committed violence at a protest is very much a, "Yes, but...!" It's possible a right wing provocateur did it. It's equally possible that someone on the left got carried away at a protest and did something dumb. We should be able to call out violence on the left without tacking on a, "Yes, but...!" It's possible to condemn both things and avoid excusing our side just because they're our side.

People on the left aren't automatically angels by virtue of being on the left any more than people on the right are automatically devils by virtue (or lack thereof, as the case may be) of being on the right. Automatically asserting that right wing provocateurs are to blame is, again, facile. Reality is far more nuanced than that. Sometimes, just sometimes, people on our side can behave badly. It's best to acknowledge that reality, in my opinion.

the signal for these organized groups to take advantage of the opportunity the bad behavior provides and escalate to violence, including the deliberate targeting of law enforcement.

You seem to be trying very hard to construct a paradigm where if people on the left get violent, it's because right wing provocateurs were just watching and waiting to nudge them in that direction and escalate things beyond what the people on the left intended.

That's just silly. People on the left are just as capable* of becoming violent as anyone else without needing that extra push to do so. It's a hot button issue, people are passionate in their views, and people get carried away. No provocateurs are required for this. It's simply human nature, and people on the left are by no means free of human frailties like overreaction, overexcitement, getting caught up in the moment, etc., which is very probably what happened outside the DNC.

* I don't believe people on the left are just as likely of becoming violent as those on the right. Recent history is pretty clear that political violence is more likely to come from the right than from the left, but that by no means reduces the capability for violence from people on the left, particularly on such a fraught issue as the Israel/Hamas conflict.

of organized groups prepared to escalate any encounter that can further their cause. The investigations into the violence, destruction, and murders of law enforcement during Floyd proved the worst of it was committed by far right opportunists. I’m guilty of knowing that and reminding other Dems of their Method of Operation.

These groups haven’t disappeared and some of them were caught actively looking into making contact with Hamas.

Enjoy your evening.

...when it actually happens. There's no evidence as of now that I'm aware of that any of these groups were involved in what happened at the DNC, so repeatedly asserting without proof that they were involved and the protesters are blameless is hand-waving away wrongdoing by people on the left. It looks an awful lot like wishful thinking, honestly.

The simple explanation is that people on the left were at a protest about a particularly fraught topic they're all very passionate about and things got out of hand. That's not impugning the cause they were protesting for or the left or any of that, it's simply people getting carried away and doing dumb things, as people sometimes do.

I haven't seen ANY pro Hamas US protestors.

pro Hamas.

I have watched him attempt similar sophistry for over a month now.

I saw him on MSNBC (I think, it might have been CNN) saying that a call for a ceasefire is code for being pro Hamas.

I wonder if he knows he is calling 80% of Democrats pro Hamas?

A Data for Progress poll from 4 weeks ago found that 66 percent of Americans support a cease-fire, as do 80 percent of Democrats.

I would wager that with the ratio of dead civilians headed towards 10 to 1 more Palestinians dead than Israelis that 80% number for Dems may be even higher now.

https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2023/10/19/voters-agree-the-us-should-call-for-a-ceasefire-and-de-escalation-of-violence-in-gaza

🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

If you’d look at the memo that went out, all of those chants are merely aspirational.

Fixed it

Because that's in the Hamas' Founding Chrarter..

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People waving flags with images of Hamas parachuting into Israel, photographed at universities all over the country.

That particular image got some push back and was quietly retired, but "from the mountains to the sea" persists.

Here is their Twitter post

https://x.com/jvpaction/status/1724956338256499109?s=46&t=YZgyyp4w_z7vW3neKxa6cQ

And Sara Kendzior (Sarah Kendzior is a New York Times bestselling author and a leading voice of the anti-Trump resistance.)

https://x.com/sarahkendzior/status/1724959285333864854?s=46&t=YZgyyp4w_z7vW3neKxa6cQ

nt

"Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP) is a radical anti-Israel and anti-Zionist activist group that advocates for the boycott of Israel and eradication of Zionism.
JVP does not represent the mainstream Jewish community, which it views as bigoted for its association with Israel. JVP’s staunch anti-Zionist positions place it squarely in opposition to mainstream American Jews and Jews worldwide, most of whom view a connection with Israel as an integral part of their social, cultural or religious Jewish identities. JVP promulgates the view that Jews who identify even tangentially with Israel are motivated by white supremacy, Jewish racial chauvinism and religious supremacism.
The spread of JVP’s most inflammatory ideas can help give rise to antisemitism. Many left-wing groups have uncritically accepted JVP’s anti-Zionist claims, elevating their harsh rhetoric related to Israel and Zionism and furthering the widespread antisemitic vilification and ostracization of many American Jews who identify as Zionists. This has helped to create a hostile environment for Jews on many campuses and in many progressive spaces.
JVP alleges that law enforcement missions to Israel organized by Jewish groups help to perpetuate police brutality. Since 2017, JVP has claimed that Israel, alongside a few U.S.-based community and Jewish organizations, is responsible for “police brutality, especially against people of color, on American streets” because those organizations have facilitated periodic seminars between American and Israeli law enforcement officials. This “Deadly Exchange” narrative has metastasized within American progressive circles, with some implicating Zionism and Israel in the murder of George Floyd and the broader oppression of people of color in the United States. JVP’s willful misrepresentation of police exchanges injects extreme anti-Israel animus into important social justice movements, detracting from pressing civil rights work and often leading to the vilification of American Jews.
Approximately 12 JVP chapters are active on college campuses, where members often work closely with chapters of the anti-Israel student group Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP) to promote anti-Israel initiatives, messages and events.
In addition to JVP’s promotion of messaging that descends into the antisemitic vilification of “Zionists,” the group has expressed support for violence and, occasionally, classic antisemitic tropes. Some JVP members, leaders and chapters propagate rhetoric or sponsor events where participants express support for violence or terror against Israelis and vilify Zionist Jews. In a few instances, they have espoused blatant antisemitic tropes, including modern manifestations of the blood libel and allegations of Jewish dual loyalty to the countries in which they live.
Statements and Images That Invoke Classic Antisemitic Tropes

Occasionally, JVP activists or speakers at JVP events veer into classic antisemitic ideas and themes. In at least two instances, JVP or participants at a JVP-organized event propagated allegations related to the blood libel. In another instance, a JVP leader argued that genocidal sentiment towards non-Jews is embedded in Judaism, a claim that has also been made by hardcore antisemites."

https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/jewish-voice-peace-jvp-what-you-need-know?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAmNeqBhD4ARIsADsYfTffA-n0c1OEnwxEP-R5bZME7BMqsKBl6JzQgHNYql5p9wgOy0nUEgAaAmpZEALw_wcB

People can make all the excuses they want, but if it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, its a duck.

and because there are Jews that setup that group, does not mean they have the majority of Jewish support, they don't.

“Pro-ceasefire” called “pro-Hamas” or “anti-Israel?” That is wrong and it ignites more fire.

of course it is going to whip up the froth

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/daily-mail/

Acting like wild beasts when you have the chance to protest peacefully will not help Palestinians or Israelis. It helps repukes. It makes Democrats look bad.

Are Democrats pro Hamas?

as an opportunity.

White Nationalists admire Hamas. Hate Jews. Hate Democrats.

2 members of US far-right group Boogaloo Bois arrested for attempt to aid Hamas

https://www.timesofisrael.com/2-members-of-us-far-right-group-boogaloo-bois-arrested-for-attempt-to-aid-hamas/

Feds say far-right group coordinated attack on Minneapolis police precinct during protest

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/522509-feds-say-far-right-group-coordinated-attack-on-minneapolis-police-precinct/

.. their Violence is on them.

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They also bombed the US Capitol and the Pentagon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground

wanting a ceasefire so that a solution can be negotiated translate to pro-Hamas? Oh, I forgot Israel can do no wrong and should be allowed to totally destroy Gaza as revenge.

First sentence... okay, I'm listening.

Second sentence... never mind.

A ceasefire demand isn't pro-Hamas.

A demand that Israel alone is responsible for the ceasefire is problematic.

"Oh I forgot, Israel can do no wrong..." is "bordering" on cynical anti-semitism.

Bye

This is not about revenge it's about security. Imagine Isis living in the next state...that's Israel's reality and no they are far from perfect but I cannot equate them in any way with Hamas.

equate Israel with Hamas but it’s Nutanyahoo who doesn’t want a ceasefire.

Jewish Voice for Peace is a radical anti-Israel activist group that advocates for a complete economic, cultural and academic boycott of the state of Israel. JVP rejects the view that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a tragic dispute over land which has been perpetuated by a cycle of violence, fear, and distrust on both sides, in favor of the belief that Israeli policies and actions are motivated by deeply rooted Jewish racial chauvinism and religious supremacism.

https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/jewish-voice-peace

with Violence.

Link to tweet

as Hamas sympathizers/supporters on the left. Uh huh ...

Other hand, to be completely fair and accurate - other media and sources are being careful to call this a 'cease fire, pro-Palestinian' action. Which still doesn't deflect or detract from the attacking police, pepper spray aspect ...

It's the big thing right now and I hear about it work or see it on social media. They specify they are pro Hamas because they're rooting for them to "show them Jews". Ask them what happens after all the Jews are gone and the response is to carpet bomb the ME.

When the local III%ers are on a side sane people might want to choose the other side.

Boogaloo Bois and White Nationalist groups used the Floyd protests as cover.

They are very anti-Jew.

2 members of US far-right group Boogaloo Bois arrested for attempt to aid Hamas

https://www.timesofisrael.com/2-members-of-us-far-right-group-boogaloo-bois-arrested-for-attempt-to-aid-hamas/

that hate jews and their fsr left democratic hating allies.

It's not just the US . They are going after Trudeau and in the UK Current Labor leader Starmer. And in many other places.

He had no problem meeting with members of Hamas, and he'd love nothing more than for the world to take their eyes away from what he's doing in Ukraine. And, unfortunately, it seems to be working.

Ultimately, at the end of the day, the only entities that can agree to and impose a ceasefire are the two sides involved in the conflict.
I think it is clear that understanding that is above this crowd’s level of critical thinking skills.

I agree with President Biden on why a ceasefire would be an unacceptable option at this point.

I get this is a hot button issue, i get there are protestors on each side of the issue that are very passionate about it.

Why I don't understand is why are they protesting at the DNC? That seems like a very odd place to hold this protest. why not the white house? or congress? or just marching down the street? What do they expect to accomplish by protesting at the DNC? and why would you protest at the DNC but not also the RNC? (Maybe they did but there just wasn't a brawl there?) Do they think the Democrats can not only control Israel, but they can do it without GOP support?

I'm so confused......

And even tried to link up with Hamas then to help start targeting Jews.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/2-members-of-us-far-right-group-boogaloo-bois-arrested-for-attempt-to-aid-hamas/

They were founded by Noam Chomsky

Who brings pepper spray and weapons and attacks law enforcement during a protest for peace?

RW agitators.

Jewish Voice for Peace is a radical anti-Israel activist group that advocates for a complete economic, cultural and academic boycott of the state of Israel.

https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/jewish-voice-peace


JVP was formed in 1996 by anti-Israel activists including Tony Kushner and Noam Chomsky.[10] Members of the advisory board include Tony Kushner, Sarah Schulman, Judith Butler, Noam Chomsky, Naomi Klein, and Wallace Shawn.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Voice_for_Peace

who are likely there using the protests by this group as an opportunity for violence against law enforcement that would appear to be from left leaning protestors as they did with Floyd protests.

Were you unaware that the worst of the violence and ALL the murders of law enforcement during the Floyd protests were committed by RightWingers? They used the protests as cover. They wanted BLM and the left blamed.

Far-right ‘boogaloo boys’ linked to killing of California law officers and other violence

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-06-17/far-right-boogaloo-boys-linked-to-killing-of-california-lawmen-other-violence

There are some Jew haters on the left, they just used to hide better.

to create the narrative they want coming out of it. They jump quickly at these opportunities. You think they’d pass up this one?

Feds say far-right group coordinated attack on Minneapolis police precinct during protest
https://thehill.com/homenews/news/522509-feds-say-far-right-group-coordinated-attack-on-minneapolis-police-precinct/

and I expect some RW opportunists will be found using these protests, as well.
This is what they do. They seize on these times.

Feds say far-right group coordinated attack on Minneapolis police precinct during protest

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/522509-feds-say-far-right-group-coordinated-attack-on-minneapolis-police-precinct/

...sometimes you simply have to keep repeating a point before some folks can hear it through the noise in their heads.

An remember when it was REALLY Antifa waving Trump flags on J6 at the capital?

It's amazing how many people and how often said people will scoff at R's claims of posers pretending to be, rigged elections, stolen elections, conspiracy around every corner loons, mis-information spreaders and much more and then turn right and makes the same accusations about just about EVERYTHING.

Feds say far-right group coordinated attack on Minneapolis police precinct during protest

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/522509-feds-say-far-right-group-coordinated-attack-on-minneapolis-police-precinct/

Far-right ‘boogaloo boys’ linked to killing of California law officers and other violence

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-06-17/far-right-boogaloo-boys-linked-to-killing-of-california-lawmen-other-violence

2 members of US far-right group Boogaloo Bois arrested for attempt to aid Hamas
https://www.timesofisrael.com/2-members-of-us-far-right-group-boogaloo-bois-arrested-for-attempt-to-aid-hamas/

Far-Right Extremists Are Hoping to Turn the George Floyd Protests Into a New Civil War
https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkyb9b/far-right-extremists-are-hoping-to-turn-the-george-floyd-protests-into-a-new-civil-war

article from the same paper that shows that is was the 3 young women named at Cal Berkeley who started in 1996 at the uni. I provided other documentation as well. Chomsky is just one of many famous people on their advisory board. He certainly does not run it, it is not 'his group' as you have been incorrectly framing it.

Here is more on the founders showing that I am right (and this is from their own website):

https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/faq/

https://promisedlandmuseum.org/jewish-voice-for-peace/

My college professor in Texas made it clear that a citation in a paper using Wikipedia would be an automatic fail. huh, maybe because it's not a reliable source because it can be altered by anyone?

or "Dems haven't done anything for the 'XYZ' - poor, black, women, Palestinian, fill in the blank" crowd.

Does it make a lot of sense .. ? Only to the professionally aggrieved and oppositional disordered. Are they potential allies .. ? (choking, followed by laughter) To virtually no one .. At any time.

They tried to pass a ceasefire resolution at our local Democratic party last night.

I'm sure next month, they will try to pass a resolution condemning the treatment of "peace protesters" by Capitol Police.

Democrats like to tear each other up.

There's a divide, or dialog, depending upon one's perspective, within the D's.

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we're fucking democrats and we're supposed to cure all the world's ills while being slandered and diminished.

Heck, even Debra Messing was there supporting Israel yesterday.

None of them want a cease-fire.

eloquent speech

I was just evacuated from the @dccc office after the building was surrounded by protestors who had blocked all modes of ingress and egress. Grateful to Capitol Police for getting all members and staff out safely. To the protestors: PLEASE don’t do something irresponsible /1

You have the Constitutional right to peaceably assemble and protest. But blocking all entries to a building with multiple members of Congress in it, protected by Capitol Police officers who have lived through January 6 is putting you and other innocent people at risk. /2

We were rescued by armed officers who did not know the protestors’ intent; they knew only that Members of Congress were inside, could not leave and that protestors would not let police through. Forcing police to guess intent is irresponsible and dangerous. /3

I am grateful for the USCP’s professionalism and that all were safely evacuated. I’m also keenly aware that it could have been much worse. Americans have a right to assemble and protest. But PLEASE do so at a safe distance and respect local police orders. /fin

https://x.com/seancasten/status/1724976786591621240?s=46&t=DRPhMtvG5X3dupxk0yA3ig

Over the years since their founding in 1996, Jewish Voices for Peace has become more radical and more fringe.
From what is described at the ADL website, it is fair to say that the Jewish Voices for Peace has a similar goal to Hamas: the destruction of Israel.
JVP also denounces Judaism as racist and ethnically supremacists. That seems rather antisemitic to me.
So don’t mind me for saying fuck them.

https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/jewish-voice-peace

Damn, Capitol Police taking it on the chin again.

Protesters best not be using pepper spray.

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Post by the CP

subject to the US Constitution, of course. Damaging property, obstructing Congress, harassing citizens, blocking a road, refusing to obey a law, physical violence, threatening behavior, or any action other than verbal or written expression, strikes, or boycotts organizing should be made illegal. (There maybe something I forgot).

The purpose of protest should be persuasion by holders of a viewpoint or gaining acquiescence of others to their viewpoints by verbal expression and not by any type of physical force.

I should be be allowed to make my case of a certain viewpoint up until the point I resort to some physical action that impacts others who may or may not subscribe to the viewpoint I hold. I should not be allowed to assualt someone, block a sidewalk, spray paint a bridge, throw a brick theough a window, keep a neighborhood awake all night, blockade a roadway, etc. Being upset or passionate about something should not be a license to do anything under the guise of persusion, no matter how just the cause.

We have "free speech", not "free action."

The U.S. Supreme Court often has struggled to determine what exactly constitutes protected speech. The following are examples of speech, both direct (words) and symbolic (actions), that the Court has decided are either entitled to First Amendment protections, or not.

The First Amendment states, in relevant part, that:

“Congress shall make no law...abridging freedom of speech.”

Freedom of speech includes the right: . . .

https://www.uscourts.gov/about-federal-courts/educational-resources/about-educational-outreach/activity-resources/what-does

But breaking the law while speaking freely does not absolve you of a crime. If people came on your property blocking your doorway chanting I love Trump, the arrestable is not the chant, its that they are in your doorway. The DNC is private property. Members of Congress were inside and under threat. If they needed to get out, they could not. Was this group trespassing, yes. Were they holding people in a building against their will, yes. Were they potentially causing terror, yes. There were plenty of chargeable offenses that have nothing to do with free speech.

I look forward to reading about arrests over this protest, if laws were broken. I won't hold my breath, though.

Admittedly, my attempt to define legal protest was "on the fly." I now see the need to define "action", for sure, to include things such as armbands, contribution of money to causes, flag-burning, and the other things listed in your link.

I want actions along the lines of those we saw on January 6, at Charlottesville, the summer 2020 George Floyd mob actions, and the pro-Hamas graffiti actions at the White House a few days ago. The seemingly increasing number of folks blocking roadways because they are upset about something or protestors sitting in the middle of a field at a ballgame for whatever reason should be forcibly removed and charged. Those activities persuade no one and only serve piss off and impede those going about their day.

As your link points out, Courts recognize free speech includes the right "not to speed." If I'm not particularly passionate about environmental issues, my traveling down the interstate in my SUV isn't trumped (sorry) by someone's right to protest over climate change.

Interesting topic, for sure....

Who benefits from this and how?

They’ve been prepared for years to take advantage of these moments.

fine, but when you become a mob and try to break into a building, or commit violence, they need to be arrested

Aren’t protests like this more suited to the embassies of the countries involved?

Who crow about how much more liberal-than-though they are. You know, the ones who think they'll 'send a message' to the 'corporate Democrats' by not voting for them.