The "magic bullet theory" is an assertion by conspiracy theorists that the single bullet theory requires a magical path. While the single bullet theory might be wrong, the magic bullet theory is definitely wrong, since it's based on simply misunderstanding the geometry.

Currently listening to Reiner’s podcast on that topic. Give it a go.

Pod is called “Who killed JFK?”.

and I'm listening via Audible

https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-who-killed-jfk-127000428/

It is a flawed document most useful only for papering over red flags.

I followed some of it years back.

As bad as that was - it's RKF's assassination I also want a relook on that. : /

I don't have Paramount+.

Maybe it'll show up on YT eventually
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Something in all the mess is truth but how can we know?

then there are multiple shooters. The Zapruder film was suppressed for many years because it shows that the kill shot comes from the front side. After the Zapruder film came out they had to shift and try to claim that an entrance wound could be bigger than an exit wound and that objects hit by bullets move in the direction they are hit from rather than away.

Many witnesses stated that the second and third shots were almost simultaneous -- this also fits only with multiple shooters. The Dictabelt audio evidence in the 1976 House Select Committee on Assassinations investigation confirmed the shot intervals and seems to have 4, not 3 shots being fired. They had to claim this was echo but if one shot echoes why not all "three"?

We will never get confirmation of details but multiple shooters is beyond doubt.

Enyone who wants to be a celeb or who knows what motive there is , will say whatever to gain the attention he wants.
We probably have heard the true story.
With all the deathbed or jailhouse confessions which story is it? How will we know?

All the conspiracy theories can't be wrong. It was a coverup but we still don't know who or why, other than the Warren Commission was supposed to end the speculation and the digging. Some things are too controversial to air publicly. Capital's support of the Nazi regime pre-war didn't really leak until the 1960s or the 1980s, and there were still more revelations 20 years later. Governments have things to cover up. Friendly fire and accidents during wartime. Deals made for political reasons where there were no good choices. Deals made with arch enemies. It's not just the US government, it's all of them sooner or later. Machiavelli was so right about the power of the State. He'd seen it all with the Medicis.

I'll throw this out for consideration, as an example. Allies may well have lost WWII without it. At critical points, Winston Churchill had some very unsavory answers to gain an edge for Allied governments and forces. It was all developed off the books so to speak. There was a war to be won.

https://www.amazon.com/Churchills-Ministry-Ungentlemanly-Warfare-Mavericks/dp/1250119022

I've not followed the JFK subject closely. I never saw Oliver Stone's film. But this one film from schoolteacher Francis Richard Conolly provided theories that covered all the bases of doubt as far as I can tell. They may not be correct, but the leaks are plugged.

Everything is a rich man’s trick … very disturbing but informative at the same time.

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though I watched it a few years back, I could watch it again to look for holes or assumptions in his reasoning. Nonetheless, it's a comprehensive presentation. He's dot's all the i's and crosses the t's.

A lot of the conspiracy theories are ridiculous (like the Secret Service agent in the front seat shot him) but I think there was a whole lot more to it than Oswald. As a matter of fact, I'm of the opinion Oswald never fired a shot that day and was as surprised as anyone about what went down.

No.

And while we're on the topic, does anybody believe Sirhan Sirhan's story about why killed Bobby Kennedy?

the kitchen pantry"s wall than the amount in Sirhan's gun.

If I remember correctly the grevious wound seemed to be close from the back and not from in front. If I got that part wrong my apologies.

The LA Labor leader (? Paul Schrade) who was with RFK tried for decades to get more inquiry going. : (

Sirhan know they were taking the kitchen exit. I call call BS on that too.

sigh

I read that report when it came out. I was only 16 years old and it took me forever to get through it.

That report is the basis of this life-long belief: The government lies to us.

Flight 93 story I don't buy either. Other parts of 9/11 make me wonder.
The goverment rationalizes by saying the general population cannot handle the actual truth so ..........

Was it possible that the magic bullet went through both Kennedy and Connelly? Yes, I think the angle was possible. Does it go through two bodies and come out pristine as if it had never struck bone.....and then was "found" and put in the stretcher at Parkland by a Secret Service agent? Boy does that sound fishy. Oswald had help, and Ruby made sure he didn't squeal.

Remember when we were supposed to learn ALL the details when the government released the last files after 50 years.....and then that didn't happen?????

Also, while I'm ranting. If thoughts and prayers could really end a nation's gun violence problem that would have happened after 11/22/1963!

Jim Garrison was right.
The Warren Commission was a coverup Anyone who thinks Oswald acted alone is delusional.

*snip*
Slawson’s most startling conclusion: He now believes that other people probably knew about Oswald’s plans to kill the president and encouraged him, raising the possibility that there was a conspiracy in Kennedy’s death—at least according to the common legal definition of the word conspiracy, which requires simply that at least two people plot to do wrongdoing. “I now know that Oswald was almost certainly not a lone wolf,” Slawson says.

What Slawson does suspect is that Oswald, during a long-mysterious trip to Mexico City only weeks before the assassination, encountered Cuban diplomats and Mexican civilians who were supporters of Castro’s revolution and who urged Oswald to kill the American president if he had the chance. “I think it’s very likely that people in Mexico encouraged him to do this,” Slawson told me. “And if they later came to the United States, they could have been prosecuted under American law as accessories” in the conspiracy.

Slawson theorizes that that attorney general and the CIA worked together to hide information about Oswald’s Mexico trip from the commission because they feared that the investigation might stumble onto the fact that JFK’s administration had been trying, for years, sometimes with the help of the Mafia, to assassinate Castro. Mexico had been a staging area for the Castro plots. Public disclosure of the plots, Slawson says, could have derailed, if not destroyed, Robert Kennedy’s political career; he had led his brother’s secret war against Castro and, as declassified documents would later show, was well aware of the Mafia’s involvement in the CIA’s often harebrained schemes to murder the Cuban dictator. “You can’t distinguish between Bobby and the CIA on this,” Slawson says. “They were working hand in glove to hide information from us.”

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/02/warren-commission-jfk-investigators-114812/

were both killed in very public ways. Two other men who were not president but also wanted to dramatically change things were also killed in public.


If that doesn't look like a pattern, not to mention a lesson for anyone else, I don't know what is.

If you look at his policy ideas, he was very forward thinking on all manner of things - especially for his day.

There's no question he was killed by a lone crazy person though.

I have no theory as to what happened, but it did not seem possible given the distance and the rifle supposedly used by Oswald.
We were watching when Jack Ruby shot Oswald on live T.V. My dad thought that was to get rid of Oswald so he couldn't talk. (Jack Ruby had terminal cancer and nothing to lose).

I find it very difficult to believe that, with the number of people who would have had to be involved in a coverup, in over 60 years that everybody would have kept their mouths shut; especially when you consider the fame that would come with irrefutable proof of the multi shooter news. Why not a death bed confession to the truth from someone that was in the know sometime in the past decades? Thousands of people have studied the evidence and yet no viable alternative has been brought forward. We must be careful that we are not claiming a rigged election.

Take your pick from the list below, or expand it if needed:

LBJ did it to become president.
Castro did it for the Bay of Pigs
Cuban Americans did it for the Bay of Pigs
Russia did it because that what they do.
The FBI did it for some uncertain cause
The defense industry did it because Kennedy wanted to get/stay out of Vietnam.

Did Oswald act alone, did Ruby act alone, I don't know, and neither does anyone else.

Sometimes conspiracies are just more fun to believe than the boring truth. I have it on good authority that it is the most asked question at the pearly gates. St. Peter had to put up a sign: "Oswald acted alone" and recently he added in permanent marker, "Trump lost."

how many "would have had to be involved"?

Seriously, one need not embrace a vast conspiracy theory to not believe the entirety of the Commission's Report. I simply have never believed that Oswald could have planned and completed the assassination all by himself.

That the entrance wound was in the front of his head and Oswald shot him from the back.

Maybe he acted alone or maybe not, but we'll never know for certain. Every November, especially on the five-year intervals, we go through this whole process one more time, and nothing ever comes from it. More books are published, more docs are exhibited, more promises are made to people willing to spend their time and money to "learn the truth." But no one ever does.

The people with all the answers, who know for certain what took place that day and why, and who are the only ones that ever will, all lie moldering in their graves.

I’ve been studying this for 30-some years, and I believe Oswald was set up from the get-go.

I read the Warren Report when it was issued. It had holes big enough to drive an oil tanker through.

NO!

It's a waste of time arguing about this on the internet.

It was always to late for justice, but I strongly feel after 60 years it's too late for the WHOLE truth (answering the most important question-why). Whoever did it and why -they won.

is likely dead now.

to shut him up. I find the single bullet theory hard to believe. I have also heard the parade route was changed to
have him pass the schoolbook depository.

I find the 1976 House Select Committee on Assassinations, which concluded that there was likely a conspiracy, still flawed but much more thorough.

I'm not a certified ballistics expert, but I've owned firearms for my entire adult life (I was a junior in high school in 1963), and I have more than a passing familiarity with the laws of physics. The Zapruder film proves definitively that Kennedy was hit a second time from the front, most likely from the Grassy Knoll. It was the exit wound of that second shot that blew the back of his head off.
J. Edgar Hoover was a psychotic monster, and he hated the Kennedys and Dr. Martin Luther King. I doubt I'll live long enough to see the truth finally revealed, But I feel certain that my belief – and the belief of many others – that Hoover was behind the assassinations of both the Kennedys and Dr. King will ultimately be vindicated.

and knowing how twisted Hoover was it's not inconceivable that the civil rights efforts that JFK began to support enraged some white people in high places. FBI? CIA? Look how all these decades later how many white people still get enraged, or discount the idea that Black people and other POCs ask/demand to treated as First Class Citizens of the USA. Less than before but still too many.
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The possible Vietnam War ending, AND trying to establish better relationships with the Soviet Union is another big path of questions. I'm thinking of JFK's American University speech given only a few months earlier.

I read then watched that speech years later because I was 10 at the time.

usually leaning towards "no". Read Mark Lane's Rush to Judgement when it first came out, it was a bit anger-inducing. And I've followed subsequent investigations and discussions. Everyone who was sentient at the time could tell you exactly where they were when the news broke, that was a given; so when a certain prominent figure said he didn't remember where he was, my doubt meter started clanging again -- it was George H.W. Bush, and he was CIA at the time. I've now been in the "we'll never know" camp for many years.

"Not remember?"

Riiiiight. Pffffffft.

My daughter is a big history buff and started reading about JFK's death when she was 10, 40 years ago. We had a copy of Best Evidence. She read it many times, she had questions then and still now. The official story never could hold water.

She recently got to visit Dallas, and spend a lot of time in Dealey Plaza. Says the way sound bounces around there due to the buildings, curve in road, etc, it is very hard to pinpoint origins of sound. Said that day REALLY made her doubt the official story and more fully understand likely reasons for the change in the route that day. Easy to be confused about origins of sounds.

I recall watching Jack Ruby shoot him…. It was on TV.

Read: Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy by Vincent Bugliosi.

He spent 20 years looking at the evidence and read all the volumes of the Warren Report. I'm not willing to trust anyone who as not read the full report. He believes the report. Oswald acted alone as did Ruby.

If you ever wonder why so many people believe and support Trump, look no further than the 85% of Americans who believe the lies about the JFK assassination.

to wonder if Oswald really acted alone

and have been shown, to my satisfaction, that none of the theories could have happened.

The Warren Report contain 26 volumes of evidence and transcripts. Bugliosi tried to find support for ANY theory of the case and he could not. I'm willing to accept his conclusion as I've never heard any explanation that upsets his book.

Believe what you will but I'd urge you to base your belief system on facts in evidence. I've suggested Bugliosi's book to several people and all of them who read it changed their minds.

Try it.

I made my post before reading all the other replies, and I just now came to yours and was very happy to see it!

I thought Bugliosi did a very thorough job of showing how the whole thing could indeed have happened the way the Warren Commission concluded. I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories in general, and I feel like Bugliosi pretty much eliminated any tiny doubts I may have had.

I wish everybody would read Bugliosi. I'm sure it would not change the mind of every reader, but it explains how just about everything that people keep saying "could not possibly have happened that way" could definitely HAVE happened exactly that way.

Still reread Crossfire by Jim Marrs once in a while.

they acted as if Ruby was just a patriotic guy, anguished over Kennedy's death......please, he was anything but

And HELL NO!

60 years of conspiracy theories - often contradictory - have led nowhere. Many of them cherry-pick their facts, ignoring points that don't fit the chose narrative; others seem to be built on the assumption that all people will act and react logically and consistently, no matter how unusual the circumstances. Add in the Secret Service trying to cover its rear end, and feds and Texas lawmen squabbling about jurisdiction, and you have the ingredients for a real botched investigation.

What sealed it for me was visiting Dealy Plaza. After reading quite a few conspiracy books, what struck me was how small the place was. While I have not fired a rifle in over fifty years, it seemed plausible that someone familiar with his weapon could get off one fatal shot - out of three.

and it also struck me immediately how small it was. I've been to the sixth floor of the School Book Depository building, which is now a museum and looked out the window they say Oswald shot from. I'm no expert with guns, but in my opinion. it's a doable shot.

were Watergate burglars E. Howard Hunt and Frank Sturgis, and CIA agent Dan Carswell



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_tramps

Never did believe it. Just couldn't do it.

Not in the least.

The guy's dead. He's been dead 60+ years now, and none of the nonsense conspiracy wild guesses have panned out.

NOT.

ONE.

LHO did it. Multiple people have demonstrated with something called evidence that he was capable of it, and so was the gun.

It's over. It's *been* over. Let it go so that what remains of the man's family can live in peace.

It's ghoulish and flat-out sick to be obsessing over this so many years later.

Looked out the window where the shots were fired from the depository. Shocked at how close it was to the street - to the street level about 30 feet maybe another 20 to a passing car. A rifle shot at that distance would be devastating.
Not sure who Oswald was working with - we may never know

I've heard all kinds of Kennedy Assassination conspiracy theories, any one of which would be contradicted by hundreds of others, each nevertheless assured it was right because of some personal information that they, and only they, know.

I actually can't believe that sixty years later people still go on about it.

The question in my mind is "who funded Charles Julius Guiteau's murder of James Garfield?"

Actually, I'm pretty sure Guiteau acted alone, since it was before tabloids, television, movies and finally the internet.

We'll never know though. Garfield had a lot of enemies.

I tend to be automatically suspicious of conspiracy theories, and the Kennedy assassination is no exception.

Most of what I know about the assassination I learned from reading Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy by Vincent Bugliosi. It's a fascinating book, and I highly recommend it. Here's a portion of what Amazon says about it:

I believe the main Warren Commission conclusions are the only ones that hold up to scrutiny -- and I spent a LOT of time reading the arguments of the major conspiracy theorist, and I've changed my mind about it at least twice. In particular, the evidence is very strong that the shot that killed JFK was from Oswald's gun, wielded by Oswald in the Depository sixth floor window, and there is no credible evidence of another shooter. If you accept those facts, as I definitely do, then there's not much room for 95% of the conspiracy theories.

seems believable.

JFK: The Smoking Gun.

posits the idea that the SS agents heard Oswald fire two shots (not three--the third casing found in the book depository was from a round fired previously), and one agent armed with an "assault rifle" jumped out of the car behind JFK's limo, accidentally discharging his rifle, which fatally wounded JFK. The fatal bullet didn't match LHO's ammo, but behaved like one fired by a rifle like the SS guy was carrying. That explains why LHO's magic bullet passed so neatly through JFK's shoulder anad wrist and still had energy to wound Connally, but the fatal bullet "exploded" when striking JFK's head.
Like I said, it's believable.....Factual? Only God knows. The agent committed suicide several years after the assassination.

magic bullet my ass

I was 8 years old and vividly remember what I was doing when I heard the news and then I further lost my innocence a couple of days later when I watched a murder on live television.

I wasn’t there.

In the first frame of the Zapruder film after the head shot, JFK's head has pitched forward about 2.5" and his chin is buried in his chest. The "back and to the left" doesn't start until a frame after that, and it shows acceleration for several frames. Momentum transfer from a bullet simply doesn't work like that: It could only exert force while it was passing through the head, so that first frame shows the direction it acted, and there's simply no way it could cause a delayed acceleration. Except for that quick snap at the beginning, the delayed "back and to the left" action really looks more like an actor faking getting shot, because it's his muscles causing the movement rather than momentum transfer from a bullet.

The reason that this one is so annoying to me is that conspiracy theorists who are heavily invested in the "back and to the left" motion simply refuse to accept what the Zapruder film really shows. I've never once seen a conspiracy theorist admit these simple facts, which tells me that they aren't really interested in the truth.

something that monumental probably couldn't be kept under wraps for all these years. People talk. It's what they do. An so far there's no solid evidence to refute the single gunman.

Gerald Posner's book "Case Closed."

He takes on all the conspiracy stuff with documented and referenced data. It was a well-spent $4 at the used bookstore.

...and no, one guy on his death bed doesn't count.

Someone or some group wanted Jack and then Bobby away from the reins of power.

No such thing as coincidence.

at the hospital. One hopes that today Secret Service would have better understanding on how to preserve evidence from the Scene of a crime.

It is also interesting that the family of Connolly would not allow a postmortem surgery to retrieve the bullet.

for simply asking this 11/22/1963 question, but the "No" replies are overwhelmingly winning this thread.

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I'm more convinced by the mafia ties than whether JFK was killed by one or more people.

Especially that Jack Ruby had extensive ties to the mafia in Louisiana and Chicago both.