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I had an interesting e-mail last night. It was from a lady who runs a private facebook group for those opposed to the defendent and his maga cult. The group is private, due to concerns that many members have had after being harried by cult members on the internet. Most of the group are females who are not interested in arguing, insulting, and/or threatening those who may think differently than them. Group members live in a variety of states.
It was a bit of a surprise when I was invited to join the group. This lady said she remembered me from parties when we were in high school, which I'd think would be grounds to to not let me join. In both 2020 and 2022, I encouraged group members to campaign for the Democratic Party's candidates. To get people they know registered. This lady, now a retired school teacher in the southeast and grandmother, is worried about the November election, and wants me to encourage and assist others in getting out the vote.
Two weeks ago, I was contacted by an old associate about getting the old group back together to work on this year's elections. We get activists from three local counties in upstate New York and coordinate with each county's Democratic Party headquarters. Some of us also volunterr at these headquarters, besides registering voters, making phone calls, going door-to-door and more. Some of us are old enough to remember when letters-to-the-editor were the essential way of reaching the public, and others are young enough to understand the internet.
I'm somewhere in between my two friends: I'm not anxious about our ability to crush the defendant and other republicans this fall, nor am I over-confident about victory. Rather, I like to assess the opposition's strengths and weaknesses, and think of ways to exploit each of those. In this context, it comes down to winning more votes in enough states for President Joe Biden to be elected.
Polls from nine months ago suggested that more than 70% of those asked did not want to see a rematch of Biden vs the defendant. These polls included Democrats, republicans, third party voters, and independents. At this point it is most likely -- though not 100% certain -- that this will be the main event on election day in another nine months. This does not mean that 70% of voters will stay home or not vote for one of those two. Concrete thinking is not a good foundation for winning elections.
What it does mean is that there was a variety of reasons that individual voters didn't want a return match. I will speculate that the majority were people who did not want to ever see the defendant involved in politics again. Yet no voting block has made any significant impact on the primaries in either party. Our job at the grassroots is to understand what the concerns of Democrats and those on the Democratic Left, as we need them to turn out and vote.
Thus, I decided to conduct a survey of two groups: those from the internet group, and those in the three county region I am active in. (I also do some work in a 4th county when my help is requested.) Like other polls, it is at best a snapshot of people's opinions at this time. More, there are no "right" or "wrong" answers. For example, if someone said they thought President Biden was too old, it wasn't for me to say otherwise. I do not need to do a survey to determine what I think.
Not a single person mentioned Hunter Biden's name. From the admittedly relatively small group of Democrats and independents -- including young and old, men and women, black, brown, and white, low- to middle income -- no mention of him.
About one third expressed concern about Joe Biden's age. Upon further questioning, they were more concerned about him in 3 to 4 years, as opposed to now. 100% said they would vote for President Biden in a contest between him and the defendent. This included several young adults who like Robert Kennedy, Jr., but recognize the need to defeat the defendant.
A quarter said they are concerned that republicans have set things up since 2020 to be able to cheat when counting votes in several states. More than a third think "voter fatigue" may be a factor. The fatigue is rooted in anxiety about the future and fear of political violence on the part of republicans. Some also spoke of the wars in Ukraine and Palestine. About half expressed concerns about the how the economy is for their household. Exclusively among independents is the position that while Democrats are better than republicans, the leadership of both parties represents the elites rather than the working class.
Less that one in ten said that they plan to do some public campaigning for the upcoming elections. Several said they did not know what they could do, or that they did not think they would be good at campaigning. Most, though not all, said they would try to get people they know -- family, friends, co-workers, and/or neighbors -- to register and vote. Some are willing to make phone calls, and fewer would be willing to go door-to-door this fall.
This is, of course, late January. The dynamics are significantly different, in my opinion, than any year except 2020, that I have been active in politics. At the same time, I've been watching a lot of the Senate Watergate hearings on youtube in recent days, and think that some things never change.
I'm curious what you are doing?
Thank you,
H2O Man
ret5hd
(20,533 posts)dirty underhanded things than convincing people to see things my way
i am going to kidnap you and bring you to work in my county.
(on edit: spouse is a good cook
you will at least eat well)
H2O Man
(73,637 posts)Ah, dirty, undehanded things!!!! This morning, I was invited by the spouse of one of my old associates to a weekend meeting at their house. Some other old-timers will be there. We go back to the YIPPIE! era. So if you kidnap me before then, prepare for some fun!
Saoirse9
(3,686 posts)I can't think about volunteering until my spouse is out of treatment. I really wish I knew who to donate to where it would make the most difference.
I think that could be a valuable tool (advice on best candidates to donate to) for democrats who have limited funds like me.
H2O Man
(73,637 posts)You have important business at home to take care of. Concentrate on that!
malaise
(269,219 posts)Saoirse9
(3,686 posts)He's been a great example to me for 20 years. Makes me want to do better.
malaise
(269,219 posts)Saoirse9
(3,686 posts)malaise
(269,219 posts)Water is life 😀😀
Very apt.
soldierant
(6,938 posts)doesn't mean simply "water is best" - because of the case and gender of "optimum" it means "Water is the absolute best thing that exists."
malaise
(269,219 posts)We also take it for granted until we dont have it. 😀
H2O Man
(73,637 posts)H2O Man
(73,637 posts)I've been getting a heck of a good response on a few internet sites, e-mails, and on the telephone. I think I was taking calls for pretty close to three hours last night. The New Hampshire primary has encouraged a lot of people!
malaise
(269,219 posts)senseandsensibility
(17,164 posts)H2O Man
(73,637 posts)Sometimes, late at night, I am haunted by memories -- perhaps flashbacks -- of my uncivilized behaviors as a youth. I grew up on a small family farm, and the only thing I did besides school & farm work was boxing. When I stopped that, I found that I had no social graces to speak of. So I approached partying with the same dedication and intensity as I had boxing! (grin)
One night in paricular, I remembered being rude to a friend in 3rd grade. I couldn't sleep. So I called her to apologize. She said she had no idea/memory regarding my being rude in 3rd grade, that we were friends and I should forget about it, but remember to never call her at 3 am again.
senseandsensibility
(17,164 posts)I guess I was thinking more of teen-age type parties, shenanigans, whatever, possibly involving alcohol.
H2O Man
(73,637 posts)I was boxing in third grade, and did so through most of my teen years. But I was obnoxious in third grade. Likely still am!
senseandsensibility
(17,164 posts)but it sounds like maybe you were your own worst critic.
cachukis
(2,277 posts)The generation gaps are pronounced.
We, our generation of perspective, has not filtered down to our children and grandchildren. We have been undone by immediacy; entertainment.
I am working to rectify this by inquiry. I ask my younger family members and grocery clerks etc. what they think about what goes on in their lives.
I ask them questions after they describe what they find concerning. I ask them about solutions.
What I have found is most are in the present. How they arrived there is moot. Solutions are too grand to contemplate. They are not comforted by those in leadership.
They are not curious to their own predicament, but hopeful technology will rescue. They will solve assigned problems, but require escape before the next assignment.
Their answers are on YouTube. There is always YouTube. Planning is unnecessary.
We are not able to share our reliance on our own perspicacity. They have their peer group that trades in ideas from which we are shut out.
We are the Lost Generation and present 80 year olds as a guide.
Let us hope a rapid response team, of sorts, is in the Biden repertoire of tools to present a cause and effect analysis to the unguided.
We need more David Hoggs in the game.
H2O Man
(73,637 posts)Thank you!
My recent experience with young people is limited to those of the extended family and their friends. Up until my head injury a few years back, I had spoken at the colleges & universities in my region, but I've hesitated since the old blood pool on the brain & "dead brain matter." This past summer, I did speak in four places, and though I brought an outline just in case, I was pretty comfortable.
Over all, I'm pretty impressed with those young people I interact with. Back decades ago, Onondaga Faith Keeper Oren Lyons told me that if you reach one in twenty of an audience, that's good ..... and to trust that one to reach twenty others.
One bright spot for me is my older daughter's SO. He is from Denmark, and the two of them go back and forth. Of course, he can't vote here in the US. But I enjoy listening to him say what people in his country think of the US, and question how the defendant ever became president.
Wild blueberry
(6,670 posts)I will be working the polls.
I will be canvassing (even though I am too old to do so). It's too important this time.
I will be donating time and money.
I will write postcards to intermittent voters.
More, as I think of actions.
I do look forward to a time I can rest, but not now.
H2O Man
(73,637 posts)I love it!
I do wish that I had the energy and strength that I did when I was young. Yet despite my younger son's best efforts -- including him being a three time state Golden Gloves champion, doing laps around my yard with 100 lbs on his back, yelling, "C'mon old man! This will get you back in shape!" -- I have my doubts that will happen any time soon. So I am satisfied to do the work of an old man these days!
cilla4progress
(24,783 posts)So that I have time to savor it...
🤗
H2O Man
(73,637 posts)Ohio Joe
(21,769 posts)Now that she has switched districts, Im not yet into the campaign or the party out there but Im determined she is not re-elected.
soldierant
(6,938 posts)I've been a monthly donor (just a small amount) to Adam Frisch for almost a year - and will continue regardless what happens in D4 - because I have another motive - I want Pueblo blue again.
There are more than one R candidate in D4 just now {11 not counting her), and she could well lose the primary (and maybe even not make the runoff. There are 3 Demcrats - Breslin, McCirkle, and Padora. Padora is the one I'm getting emails from, but McCorkle has the most campaign money at this point. I can't vote in either 3 or 4 since I live in 5, but i can certainly have opinions. And I do think 3 is our best chance to flip a seat.
H2O Man
(73,637 posts)One of my best friends lives in the district that Boebert is abandoning. (She "lurks" on DU.) I remember how close it was in 2022. I can think of no person less qualified to be in Congress than Boebert. I hope that DUers donate to her opponent this year.