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Your Opinion, Please. (Original Post) H2O Man Jan 2024 OP
...... H2O Man Jan 2024 #1
Thanks. Certainly worth debating question everything Jan 2024 #11
A sentence or two, please? question everything Jan 2024 #2
See post #1. H2O Man Jan 2024 #7
See post #1. H2O Man Jan 2024 #8
Very accurate. nt BootinUp Jan 2024 #3
Real short. usonian Jan 2024 #4
So... Really good opinion piece, everyone should read it all Ohio Joe Jan 2024 #5
"Human propensity for bumbling could result in disaster" PufPuf23 Jan 2024 #6
Not with a bang... limbicnuminousity Jan 2024 #9
I would have to agree his prediction has become a reality... Septua Jan 2024 #10
Kubrick warned us. Thank goodness. Kid Berwyn Jan 2024 #12

usonian

(9,909 posts)
4. Real short.
Sat Jan 27, 2024, 12:51 AM
Jan 2024
Kubrick in 1964 (Doctor Strangelove) warned that American hyper-patriotism coupled with fascistic conspiracy theories and the human propensity for bumbling could result in disaster. The nuclear explosion he foresaw didn’t quite happen (at least not yet.) There are now also many other additional options for chaos and misery.


My take on this is that conspiracy theories and ideologies and pseudo-religious crusades are cult-level thinking that sacrifices one's own success in order to get the "kick" of cult membership, usually accompanied by some fruit that's forbidden to what mafia people call "ordinary schmucks" such as lying, stealing, racism, violence and so on.

Only the leader and cadre make out. Until they don't.

It's the I'd rather be "right" than successful attitude that a lot of pig-headed people have. Right, in this case is twisted to be fabricated groupthink, reinforced by constant propaganda.

Ohio Joe

(21,769 posts)
5. So... Really good opinion piece, everyone should read it all
Sat Jan 27, 2024, 01:01 AM
Jan 2024

Trump is a moron and a liar… And not even a good liar. I really don’t get how anyone falls into his cult and just twists themselves into knots to believe all of the bullshit he spews. They live evidence free lives and I find that very strange.

My niece said something to me the other day I found interesting. She said “I appreciate that sometimes when you say things you admit you don’t know where you learned it and that it might not be true. Then you are also willing to look it up with me so we get to the truth. You’re also fine if I question anything you say even if you’re confident it’s true and we can verify that. Not a lot of people are ok having their beliefs questioned much less shown wrong.”

I think the last part gets to the heart of the matter.

PufPuf23

(8,842 posts)
6. "Human propensity for bumbling could result in disaster"
Sat Jan 27, 2024, 01:01 AM
Jan 2024

Odd position to be near the end of life where unlikely to see the result of the current human mess.

Don't have much idealism left.

Main problem is far too many humans trashing life on Earth.

Septua

(2,263 posts)
10. I would have to agree his prediction has become a reality...
Sat Jan 27, 2024, 01:24 AM
Jan 2024

I just don't think Kubrick is the only one who has made the warning.

The Founding Fathers knew a Trump type was a potential reality but failed to include in the Constitution a straightforward process to disqualify a Presidential candidate or unseat one in office. Presidential historians have probably worried about it more than some.

This link has some interesting thoughts about presidents and character.

https://verdict.justia.com/2017/05/26/predicting-donald-trumps-presidency

The Presidential Character shows that based on history presidents can be grouped in four psychological categories, which Barber labeled as “active/positive,” “active/negative,” “passive/positive,” and “passive/negative.” More specifically, and as I have explained in the prior columns, broad explanations only provide a crude understanding of Barber’s designation while his work provides historical explanations. Barber groups presidents based on the similarity of their personalities and character traits.


Donald Trump is an active/negative. In fact, he is a stronger version of this category than all whom Barber collected during his analysis, and more so than George W. Bush, whom I found fell into this group.

There can be no doubt about Trump’s being active. He literally is on the job 24/7; when not in his office or making an official trip, he is on the telephone or tweeting, related to his work as president. He is a workaholic. (See, e.g., Time magazine’s account “Trump After Hours.” Nor is there any question of his being negative under Barber’s test. Trump can force a smile for the camera, but he never laughs, particularly at himself. His Twitter account reveals a man constantly complaining or whining about most everything. His only enjoyment in the job is that it feeds his insatiable narcissistic appetite for attention, which is not the type of positive reinforcement and emotional reward Barber describes to be an active/positive.

Kid Berwyn

(14,980 posts)
12. Kubrick warned us. Thank goodness.
Sat Jan 27, 2024, 11:12 AM
Jan 2024

The artist has a special role in our world. They give humanity a gift of seeing new things and things in new ways. In his Science Fiction, Ray Bradbury believed he, as the writer, could keep the world he created in his words from coming to pass for us all. As the ancient philosophers believed the ideal could never come to be, so too the obverse, that an imagined dystopia could never be as the reality could never match the concept.

When it comes to nuclear weapons, Dr. Strangelove made clear there is no room for error. And when it comes to human technology, if something can go wrong, it will go wrong. When it comes to human events, expect the unexpected. And when it comes to human behavior, expect the worst.

Kubrick warned us in “Eyes Wide Shut,” too. Many if not most of the wealthiest are corrupt as hell. And if the good know what’s good for them, they had better keep their place. Thank goodness some can think — and act — for themselves and in the spirit that they are trying to make a good difference.

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