Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

LymphocyteLover

(5,662 posts)
Wed Jan 31, 2024, 07:11 PM Jan 2024

Justice delayed is justice denied-- because of corrupt conservative judges

from Josh Marshall --

"... the federal judiciary has failed the country in allowing a renegade ex-president to nullify federal law by means of a more or less open policy of endless delay by means of frivolous motions, appeals and more. As the old adage has it, justice delayed is justice denied. This hasn’t simply been during his criminal prosecutions, which I will discuss in a moment. It stretched over the time of his presidency as well. We know that during his presidency President Trump filled the federal judiciary with a slew of right-wing judges, many of them out-and-out corrupt. He also corrupted the Supreme Court with his unprecedented three appointments in a single term. But here I’m not even talking about right-wing Republican judges who often appear partial to Donald Trump’s ideological aims and frequently his narrower electoral ones as well. We know for instance that Judge Aileen Cannon, a corrupt and transparently partisan Trump appointee, has more or less single-handedly sabotaged the classified documents prosecution. Set that all aside. What I’m talking about are the fair-minded judges who allow a mix of institutional courtesy, established practice and inertia to allow Trump to make a mockery of the criminal justice system.

...

What prompts me to write today is the fate of the primary federal charges against Donald Trump in Washington, D.C. When I say “primary” here I mean to signify that the charges related to his attempted coup are far graver than those tied to his post-defeat handling of classified documents. Trump has mounted an appeal based on the outlandish proposition that Presidents are simply immune from prosecution, period. They can’t be prosecuted while in office, which is generally accepted. And, he argues, they can’t be prosecuted afterwards either. There are some technical niceties involved in the arguments. But that’s the gist and the technical points don’t improve the argument. It is simply not a credible argument. And it doesn’t need to be because the point is delay — the ongoing effort to push the prosecution into the window of time in which a newly elected Trump could make the case go away.

...

Jack Smith tried to take the appeal directly to the Supreme Court because it is a case of obvious national importance and it is certain it will eventually end up there. The Court declined to skip over the review by the DC Circuit, apparently with the support of the three justices appointed by Democrats. The expectation had been that the DC circuit would deliver a decision within days since it had already expedited the process to move quickly. That was three weeks ago. No one knows what’s happening or when a decision might be rendered. The Supreme Court could obviously scuttle the whole case in various ways but the argument is so weak that seems unlikely. And it’s not entirely clear that four let alone five justices would want to help Trump in this way. But even the DC Circuit seems to be taking its time.

...


It is not like this is slow by normal standards. It’s quite fast. But it’s not a normal case. And we’re all out of excuses. Justice delayed is justice denied. They’ve failed. Let’s just state it clearly."

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/justice-delayed-is-justice-denied

22 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Justice delayed is justice denied-- because of corrupt conservative judges (Original Post) LymphocyteLover Jan 2024 OP
The delay Marshall refers to is from two Dem judges and a Bush I appointee Fiendish Thingy Jan 2024 #1
No, I cut the part out that says the delay seems to be from the one conservative judge LymphocyteLover Jan 2024 #5
I think Mueller She Wrote said BlueKota Jan 2024 #8
Henderson also was the lone vote against expediting scipan Feb 2024 #21
Jack Smith met privately with Cannon today Fiendish Thingy Jan 2024 #9
I hope he talked some sense of urgency into her LymphocyteLover Jan 2024 #15
I think it was probably to explain just how sensitive some of the classified evidence is. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jan 2024 #18
Privately? Well that's intriguing... dang! and we'll probably never know liberalla Jan 2024 #17
I agree. This DC circuit ruling is taking too long. cos dem Jan 2024 #2
the author more or less deconstructs his own argument stopdiggin Jan 2024 #3
yes, the corrupt federal judges part is my take... sorry was unclear LymphocyteLover Jan 2024 #4
I'll grant that. stopdiggin Jan 2024 #7
Two possibilities: dickthegrouch Jan 2024 #6
or third, they are trying to help him by pushing the trials past the election date LymphocyteLover Jan 2024 #16
This is my fear BlueKota Jan 2024 #19
And some DoJ foot dragging. republianmushroom Jan 2024 #10
What should takes days takes months. DontBelieveEastisEas Jan 2024 #11
I've been fried here so many times for saying it. onecaliberal Jan 2024 #12
Me too. Bluethroughu Jan 2024 #14
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM YELLING ABOUT! Bluethroughu Jan 2024 #13
The DC Circuit took nearly a year to decide traitortrump can be sued in civil court. Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2024 #20
We certainly don't have that much time. Even 1 year would be disastrous. LymphocyteLover Feb 2024 #22

Fiendish Thingy

(15,686 posts)
1. The delay Marshall refers to is from two Dem judges and a Bush I appointee
Wed Jan 31, 2024, 07:15 PM
Jan 2024

Who are currently in the process of writing their ruling of Trump’s immunity appeal.

So, I’m not sure I get his point.

LymphocyteLover

(5,662 posts)
5. No, I cut the part out that says the delay seems to be from the one conservative judge
Wed Jan 31, 2024, 08:33 PM
Jan 2024

also the full piece mentions Judge Cannon's delay tactics etc

BlueKota

(1,819 posts)
8. I think Mueller She Wrote said
Wed Jan 31, 2024, 08:45 PM
Jan 2024

since the Bush appointee has seniority, she gets to write the opinion. Now Meuller said that Judge could be being extra cautious to make it less likely the SC could toss the decision, or she is purposely slow walking the decision.

I am skeptical that any Republican is capable of putting their country over party these days, so my money is on the later. I think being a Republican she is doing this to ensure the trials don't take place before the election.

LymphocyteLover

(5,662 posts)
15. I hope he talked some sense of urgency into her
Wed Jan 31, 2024, 10:23 PM
Jan 2024

FFS of all the cases against him, this one is the most damning and truly threatens national security

cos dem

(903 posts)
2. I agree. This DC circuit ruling is taking too long.
Wed Jan 31, 2024, 07:31 PM
Jan 2024

It should be an easy argument to refute the idea of indefinite presidential immunity. And the questioning during the hearing sounded promising, like DC ckt understood the need for expediency. So, why are we at 3 weeks and counting, and still no opinion?

I'm sure orange asshole will ask for an en-banc hearing, which will delay it even more, then SCOTUS appeal. Tick, tick, tick.

And, of course we can thank the original delay courtesy of Merrick Garland.

stopdiggin

(11,388 posts)
3. the author more or less deconstructs his own argument
Wed Jan 31, 2024, 07:38 PM
Jan 2024

within the piece itself. The only substantive take away here is - "I don't like the way this is transpiring .. "

- - Justice delayed is justice denied -- because of corrupt conservative judges.
- - What I’m talking about are the fair-minded judges who allow a mix of institutional courtesy, established practice and inertia to allow Trump to make a mockery of the criminal justice system.
- - The Court declined to skip over the review by the DC Circuit, apparently with the support of the three justices appointed by Democrats. ...
- - It is not like this is slow by normal standards. It’s quite fast. But it’s not a normal case. ...


edit: apologies - for failure to catch ... The "because of corrupt conservative judges" should be attributed to OP, and not author, Josh Marshall/The Backchannel ?

LymphocyteLover

(5,662 posts)
4. yes, the corrupt federal judges part is my take... sorry was unclear
Wed Jan 31, 2024, 08:31 PM
Jan 2024

that being said, the full piece (which I cut to show here) is a more damning than those excepts you have

also the full piece mentions Judge Cannon's clearly corrupt behavior and delay tactics

stopdiggin

(11,388 posts)
7. I'll grant that.
Wed Jan 31, 2024, 08:43 PM
Jan 2024

My impression remains that Marshall was aiming his critique more toward (perceived) institutional failings - than biased or corrupt judges. (which I don't think either of us are going to try to claim don't exist)

I think it was a pretty decent article - mapping out a particular, but most likely not unreasonable, point of view.

dickthegrouch

(3,184 posts)
6. Two possibilities:
Wed Jan 31, 2024, 08:37 PM
Jan 2024

The court is delaying hoping tfg will croak before it has to render an opinion.
Or, that it takes a looong time to write an exhaustive point by point answer to each of the ridiculous theories and tantrums (I hesitate to call them arguments) that his team is trying to make stick, in such a way that the SCROTUS can’t in good conscience overturn.

11. What should takes days takes months.
Wed Jan 31, 2024, 09:48 PM
Jan 2024

What should take months takes years.

A very slow system. Don't we have a desire for speedy trials?
We should have a major correction.
We should also ban monetary penalties for criminal cases.
We should ban bail based on money or assets
We should ban monetary penalties for things like speeding and driving without insurance.

These things help to put the wealth higher up on the law. I imagine, that is a major reason that they are based this way currently.

Bluethroughu

(5,203 posts)
13. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM YELLING ABOUT!
Wed Jan 31, 2024, 10:15 PM
Jan 2024

There are NO other cases more important than this case! No President is above the law.

We need a ruling, so the country can move forward without this traitor and his co-conspirators.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,490 posts)
20. The DC Circuit took nearly a year to decide traitortrump can be sued in civil court.
Thu Feb 1, 2024, 01:57 AM
Feb 2024

It might take them 10 years to decide he's not absolutely immune.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Justice delayed is justic...