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from Josh Marshall --
"... the federal judiciary has failed the country in allowing a renegade ex-president to nullify federal law by means of a more or less open policy of endless delay by means of frivolous motions, appeals and more. As the old adage has it, justice delayed is justice denied. This hasnt simply been during his criminal prosecutions, which I will discuss in a moment. It stretched over the time of his presidency as well. We know that during his presidency President Trump filled the federal judiciary with a slew of right-wing judges, many of them out-and-out corrupt. He also corrupted the Supreme Court with his unprecedented three appointments in a single term. But here Im not even talking about right-wing Republican judges who often appear partial to Donald Trumps ideological aims and frequently his narrower electoral ones as well. We know for instance that Judge Aileen Cannon, a corrupt and transparently partisan Trump appointee, has more or less single-handedly sabotaged the classified documents prosecution. Set that all aside. What Im talking about are the fair-minded judges who allow a mix of institutional courtesy, established practice and inertia to allow Trump to make a mockery of the criminal justice system.
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What prompts me to write today is the fate of the primary federal charges against Donald Trump in Washington, D.C. When I say primary here I mean to signify that the charges related to his attempted coup are far graver than those tied to his post-defeat handling of classified documents. Trump has mounted an appeal based on the outlandish proposition that Presidents are simply immune from prosecution, period. They cant be prosecuted while in office, which is generally accepted. And, he argues, they cant be prosecuted afterwards either. There are some technical niceties involved in the arguments. But thats the gist and the technical points dont improve the argument. It is simply not a credible argument. And it doesnt need to be because the point is delay the ongoing effort to push the prosecution into the window of time in which a newly elected Trump could make the case go away.
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Jack Smith tried to take the appeal directly to the Supreme Court because it is a case of obvious national importance and it is certain it will eventually end up there. The Court declined to skip over the review by the DC Circuit, apparently with the support of the three justices appointed by Democrats. The expectation had been that the DC circuit would deliver a decision within days since it had already expedited the process to move quickly. That was three weeks ago. No one knows whats happening or when a decision might be rendered. The Supreme Court could obviously scuttle the whole case in various ways but the argument is so weak that seems unlikely. And its not entirely clear that four let alone five justices would want to help Trump in this way. But even the DC Circuit seems to be taking its time.
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It is not like this is slow by normal standards. Its quite fast. But its not a normal case. And were all out of excuses. Justice delayed is justice denied. Theyve failed. Lets just state it clearly."
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/justice-delayed-is-justice-denied
Fiendish Thingy
(15,686 posts)Who are currently in the process of writing their ruling of Trumps immunity appeal.
So, Im not sure I get his point.
LymphocyteLover
(5,662 posts)also the full piece mentions Judge Cannon's delay tactics etc
BlueKota
(1,819 posts)since the Bush appointee has seniority, she gets to write the opinion. Now Meuller said that Judge could be being extra cautious to make it less likely the SC could toss the decision, or she is purposely slow walking the decision.
I am skeptical that any Republican is capable of putting their country over party these days, so my money is on the later. I think being a Republican she is doing this to ensure the trials don't take place before the election.
scipan
(2,361 posts)MSW said.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,686 posts)Wonder what they talked about?
LymphocyteLover
(5,662 posts)FFS of all the cases against him, this one is the most damning and truly threatens national security
Fiendish Thingy
(15,686 posts)liberalla
(9,269 posts)cos dem
(903 posts)It should be an easy argument to refute the idea of indefinite presidential immunity. And the questioning during the hearing sounded promising, like DC ckt understood the need for expediency. So, why are we at 3 weeks and counting, and still no opinion?
I'm sure orange asshole will ask for an en-banc hearing, which will delay it even more, then SCOTUS appeal. Tick, tick, tick.
And, of course we can thank the original delay courtesy of Merrick Garland.
stopdiggin
(11,388 posts)within the piece itself. The only substantive take away here is - "I don't like the way this is transpiring .. "
- - What Im talking about are the fair-minded judges who allow a mix of institutional courtesy, established practice and inertia to allow Trump to make a mockery of the criminal justice system.
- - The Court declined to skip over the review by the DC Circuit, apparently with the support of the three justices appointed by Democrats. ...
- - It is not like this is slow by normal standards. Its quite fast. But its not a normal case. ...
edit: apologies - for failure to catch ... The "because of corrupt conservative judges" should be attributed to OP, and not author, Josh Marshall/The Backchannel ?
LymphocyteLover
(5,662 posts)that being said, the full piece (which I cut to show here) is a more damning than those excepts you have
also the full piece mentions Judge Cannon's clearly corrupt behavior and delay tactics
stopdiggin
(11,388 posts)My impression remains that Marshall was aiming his critique more toward (perceived) institutional failings - than biased or corrupt judges. (which I don't think either of us are going to try to claim don't exist)
I think it was a pretty decent article - mapping out a particular, but most likely not unreasonable, point of view.
dickthegrouch
(3,184 posts)The court is delaying hoping tfg will croak before it has to render an opinion.
Or, that it takes a looong time to write an exhaustive point by point answer to each of the ridiculous theories and tantrums (I hesitate to call them arguments) that his team is trying to make stick, in such a way that the SCROTUS cant in good conscience overturn.
LymphocyteLover
(5,662 posts)BlueKota
(1,819 posts)republianmushroom
(13,763 posts)DontBelieveEastisEas
(517 posts)What should take months takes years.
A very slow system. Don't we have a desire for speedy trials?
We should have a major correction.
We should also ban monetary penalties for criminal cases.
We should ban bail based on money or assets
We should ban monetary penalties for things like speeding and driving without insurance.
These things help to put the wealth higher up on the law. I imagine, that is a major reason that they are based this way currently.
onecaliberal
(32,934 posts)Bluethroughu
(5,203 posts)Bluethroughu
(5,203 posts)There are NO other cases more important than this case! No President is above the law.
We need a ruling, so the country can move forward without this traitor and his co-conspirators.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,490 posts)It might take them 10 years to decide he's not absolutely immune.