who were indicted more or less simultaneously in four different jurisdictions. Some mobsters were indicted and tried serially, but not all at once. Just that has to be some kind of record.

Not so far, anyway.

As with all things Trump, I get queasy hoping for proper outcomes.

But, still. Both Carroll trials were juries. They had no problem.

,.. loving town, he is hated and despised there. So juries much less favorable to Fat Hitler.

Florida might be more Maga jurors and favorable or sympathetic to the Orange Messiah. But southern Florida has many blue areas. But it only takes one rabid MAGA on the jury to toss the verdict of guilty.

With Cannon overseeing the case it is such a crap shoot.

For there to be a downfall you must achieve height. Cosby, despite his grievous faults, advanced public education. OJ arguably advanced the case against discriminatory cultural barriers (before he went kill-happy). Elvis didn't so much fall as devolve into a caricature of himself. MJ married Peter Parker. What did Trump ever do?

...in this world by becoming President of the United States.

Undeservedly so, appallingly so, but nevertheless, a great height. This was, however, not a height of accomplishment, except as a personal accomplishment for himself.

My doubts about "a downfall worse than any previously seen" are not about the possible magnitude of Trump's downfall, but if it that downfall will actually happen as it should. I think victory over Trump is more likely than what polls currently show, but until the odds are nearly 100% I won't feel safe for myself or the country.

We've become so used to Trump's abhorrent behavior and criminality over an extended period of time that it's not as impactful as it might be otherwise.

But if one looks at it objectively, it's so outside of the normal realm of experience that it should be even more shocking than it is.

As for comparisons in US history, it's hard to find an equal. Buchanan's actions and lack thereof led to the Civil War, and he meddled with the Supreme Court, but his personal downfall can't compare.

Maybe Jefferson Davis? The worst of Buchanan (and more), plus a personal downfall, though I'm still not sure it would be on the same kind of scale. The government couldn't figure out what exactly to do with him. He was eventually imprisoned, but released on bail and then given amnesty as part of Andrew Johnson's proclamation in 1868.

Feels like a poll question.

All I see is MSM thugs hyping him up. I don't know what to think anymore but I don't like what I'm seeing right now. All I know is that if he gets elected without any of the trials having been done, we're a joke. A failed state.

Spidey sense but I think something big, shocking, is coming (even if it's news about something that's already happened) by this weekend.

You have me curious!!

It is related to the fraud case that's about to be decided but also something else, bigger, that affects a large number if not everyone of us, globally. That's all I got right now.

...are indicating good news!!! Thanks.

Not making any promises.

the binder on Russian assets, and why they lost so many agents in the field after Trump took office. These people aren’t idiots. We’re talking CIA, NSA, and FBI here. If there’s one thing they’re rabid about it’s protecting secrets. My guess is they are keeping charges under wraps, though I don’t know why. Maybe they want a few convictions on lesser crimes first, because if they go for the big stuff right away they’ll set off a total fire storm. But my sense is the whole party is terrified. Mike Johnson is in way over his head and he knows it. All the phony antics of the MAGA crowd in the house are a pathetic attempt to distract, but they know the formula isn’t working anymore. They’re just waiting for the knock on the door.

I think Smith knows where the other missing stuff is and what it is. -45 has that secret room in his bedroom suite and an locked closet and whatever is in Ivana's casket. What else does he have? Blackmail materials on "his" supreme court justices as well as all his toadies in Congress. I think that's what's out there along with whatever jared has been delivering to his pal in the ME and whatever the magats carry with them to ruzzia. It's a big ugly mess. But remember, Smith was probably watching from the bench in The Hague so he might have a much better perspective regarding the big picture and international concerns.

So mote it be.

but I can't focus in on what, and it drives me crazy. I just keep remembering that Gang of 8 meeting where Feinstein came out of it, white as a sheet. As much as we know... as much as many of us already think might be... I just feel there's something out there so big that it'll shake the already shaky foundations of this country. What in the hell did he do while president that could top what we already know? I thought asking for the list of our spies and then our spies disappearing or ending up dead was the worst that could happen... beyond selling our country's secrets to Russia. But I think there's something beyond that. It's just my limited brain and lack of a criminal mind can't imagine what it could be.

Hope you're right, 2na! And especially about it being this weekend. I'm reading for this spidey sense to calm down. I could use a break from my anti-anxiety med! (LOL)

It will be tense, for everybody, something to keep in mind. If you look at the chart, it's crazy, everything is in one quadrant.

I'm in bed or I'd check it out right now. I'm intrigued about which quadrant. It feels very airy to me, which could make sense, given where we are in the transition. Thanks so much for the info!

I have been thinking of the most unlikely (and hence, most likely) way he goes. Best I can come up with is that he falls off the podium when someone throws him a Bible and he tries to catch dodge it.

just the other day! Thought how grotesquely funny it would if someone through a shoe at trump. But you got me beat with it being the bible! (LOL)

However, I've heard the expression to throw the book at someone as to mean either a lot of criminal charges or convictions.

And all the amendments, exceptions and exemptions that the magachurch has "uncovered"

With their sharpies.

Once he’s stripped of assets, the remaining dominos will fall quickly.

consequences they deserved... So WTF are you even talking about?

Also, TFG was not convicted of rape. He was found liable. That is different -- different in a way of the same sort of OJ et al.

that 2024 is going to be unlike anything ever experienced in the entire history of our country.......

It has been shown countless times, that the Republicans will do anything and everything necessary to take tyrannical control of the U.S.....................

Katie Bar The Door..........

It’s pretty hard to have a positive outlook.

He and his deranged followers are all they have.

I MAY or May Not be driving the bus at the time,
and I don't care much which

This an acronym from Irish politics which is well worth googling (I’m Irish and based in Ireland). The character it’s based on (Charles Haughey), while Trumpish, was not in the same league.

covers of tabloids that everybody saw in supermarkets since the '80s. They've been inoculated and it literally doesn't matter. There is no downfall.