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Is anyone who's complained about Black Friday sales currently watching the NFL game? (Original Post) brooklynite Nov 2012 OP
I think you are getting it wrong former-republican Nov 2012 #1
Please explain it to me... brooklynite Nov 2012 #3
From what I understand the remarks our DU brothers and sisters made had more to do former-republican Nov 2012 #5
Please see my #4... brooklynite Nov 2012 #7
No one in the NFL is on food stamps. n/t rzemanfl Nov 2012 #2
You know that to be the case? brooklynite Nov 2012 #4
I stand corrected. I was thinking about the players. rzemanfl Nov 2012 #6
don't know about them, but we do know walmart workers are treated like crap JI7 Nov 2012 #8
found this former-republican Nov 2012 #10
That is not an article. Arctic Dave Nov 2012 #16
And what about the tech control keeping your internet connection up itsrobert Nov 2012 #9
My only criticism is of people going mob shopping tonight. That we can do brewens Nov 2012 #11
no choice.... MFM008 Nov 2012 #12
And the streets don't clean themselves after the Macy's parade! LTR Nov 2012 #13
The boycott is NOT about working a holiday (it does happen to fall right AFTER a holiday b/c that is beac Nov 2012 #15
...and I repeat my question... brooklynite Nov 2012 #17
It's not hard to research it, really. Brickbat Nov 2012 #18
Is it your opinion gollygee Nov 2012 #20
100% confident? No. But I do try to match my spending to my principles and have given up beac Nov 2012 #21
My Bets... KharmaTrain Nov 2012 #24
I worked today. Arctic Dave Nov 2012 #14
Great point! WE NEED STRONG UNIONS EVERYWHERE!!! Zorra Nov 2012 #19
Who's protesting the labor conditions in China?` JackRiddler Nov 2012 #22
Says somebody who's never going to have to work a shit job on a holiday. LeftyMom Nov 2012 #23
All the teams that played today will have extra days off in between games Jamaal510 Nov 2012 #25
No. I hate sports... and this week's campaign is about retail working conditions... Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #26
Nope. Don't support either. Tigress DEM Nov 2012 #27
Their work schedule is part of their union-negotiated contract JVS Nov 2012 #28
A lot of people work on holidays. That's nothing new. davidn3600 Nov 2012 #29
yep, suck it up, slaves! HiPointDem Nov 2012 #31
No, I believe Thanksgiving should be family time not for shopping or glued to the TV. nt Raine Nov 2012 #30
What would be your point? quakerboy Nov 2012 #32
It is not about the requirement to work on a holiday, it is about fair treament and Bluenorthwest Nov 2012 #33
 

former-republican

(2,163 posts)
5. From what I understand the remarks our DU brothers and sisters made had more to do
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 08:36 PM
Nov 2012

with the treatment of the employees.

Not so much having to work .
Many people work on holidays

brooklynite

(94,679 posts)
4. You know that to be the case?
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 08:35 PM
Nov 2012

The ticket takers, security guards, ushers, parking lot attendants, concession stand operators are all financially secure?

 

former-republican

(2,163 posts)
10. found this
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 08:47 PM
Nov 2012
http://www.yourpirate.com/articles/sports/218-nfl-owners-locking-out-greedy-concession-workers-who-demanded-reinstatement-of-annual-holiday-party.html

I guess according to the article they are also treated badly but maybe the difference. According to the article is they mostly work one day a week during the season.

Kind of like carnival workers .

It's not their main income.
 

Arctic Dave

(13,812 posts)
16. That is not an article.
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 10:02 PM
Nov 2012

It's a blog, and looks more like a spoof.



My brother worked at invesco field wearing the "yellow jacket". He said most of them did for fun, not as a job

itsrobert

(14,157 posts)
9. And what about the tech control keeping your internet connection up
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 08:41 PM
Nov 2012

How can you sleep at night while forcing people to work on Thanksgiving so you can post on the Internet?

LTR

(13,227 posts)
13. And the streets don't clean themselves after the Macy's parade!
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 08:58 PM
Nov 2012

I see your point. Actually, I was thinking about this earlier. NFL and NCAA are playing games today, should they be picketed? Should I protest Walgreens because they're open? What about the corner gas station?

I think most of the people complaining about Walmart employees working on the holiday are ones that don't work there. I've worked major holidays before at stupid jobs. Shit happens, we deal with it.

beac

(9,992 posts)
15. The boycott is NOT about working a holiday (it does happen to fall right AFTER a holiday b/c that is
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 09:08 PM
Nov 2012

when it can potentially have the greatest impact... i.e. it's a HUGE shopping day.) The boycott is about the deplorable wages and poor working conditions at Walmart.

The company brags about its low prices. But many shoppers probably don't think much about how Wal-Mart makes this slogan a reality, which may start happening given the publicity the strike is getting. The average Wal-Mart associate earns about $8.81 an hour, or a yearly wage of about $15,500, meaning that hundreds of thousands of the company's workers live below the poverty line, according to unions.

*snip*

States worried about the growing costs of Medicaid have pressued Wal-Mart for years to improve worker benefits. In response, the company offered some benefits to those working less than 24 hours per week, only to reverse course last year and decree that new part-time employees would no longer get benefits and that people working 24 hours to 33 hours a week can no longer include their spouses in their coverage, though children are allowed.

Data from unions indicates that Wal-Mart employees are the largest recipients of government assistance among those that are employed in a huge number of states. That means that taxpayers are on the hook for these benefits to the tune of more than $1 billion.


http://money.msn.com/top-stocks/post.aspx?post=71bd23f8-29f0-434f-9592-705aa2f04fb2

brooklynite

(94,679 posts)
17. ...and I repeat my question...
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 10:29 PM
Nov 2012

Are you confident that every other activity, service or store you utilize meets your exacting standards for employee support?

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
20. Is it your opinion
Fri Nov 23, 2012, 12:00 AM
Nov 2012

that if you can't change/boycott/send a message everywhere about everything, you should do nothing? This is the biggest employer in the US, isn't it? I can't imagine a bigger way to send the message that low-wage workers should be treated and paid better than by boycotting the largest employer of low-wage workers in the US on their biggest day.

Though I never shop on Black Friday regardless.

beac

(9,992 posts)
21. 100% confident? No. But I do try to match my spending to my principles and have given up
Fri Nov 23, 2012, 12:15 AM
Nov 2012

many stores and products that I liked as a result. As another said above, we must do as much as we can even if we can't do everything.

Also, I did not reply to your OP, but to another poster who was confused about the reason for the Walmart boycott, so I am not exactly sure why you felt the need to "repeat" a question I hadn't responded to. But, since you asked me directly, I hoped I have now answered your question.

KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
24. My Bets...
Fri Nov 23, 2012, 12:29 AM
Nov 2012

...are those doing the sweeping are union employees who are getting holiday pay. Also those players on the field in the NFL are also union...and make more in a quarter than the average Wally World "associate" makes in a year. The other folks there...ticket takers, food vendors et al, as noted in other threads, are seasonal workers who can make a nice buck on tips and extra pay on top of their normal jobs.

I worked in a field that operates 24/7...and worked many a Thanksgiving, Christmas and other holidays. It's "showbiz"...and part of "paying dues" was working those holidays and hopefully moving up the ladder to a position where you could pick and choose the holidays you worked.

Also...should be mentioned, there are many people who either like working or have little or no family to spend time with and would rather work than spend the day at home being depressed.

 

Arctic Dave

(13,812 posts)
14. I worked today.
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 09:05 PM
Nov 2012

And I think Black Friday and Walmart can suck eggs.

I worked today because I am in the middle of my shift and will not be home until the 1st of December. But guess what, my employer is compensating me very well for working today.

Can you say that about Walmart.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
22. Who's protesting the labor conditions in China?`
Fri Nov 23, 2012, 12:21 AM
Nov 2012

Or in Bangladesh?

I guess those make working at Walmart a fantastic opportunity.

All those people should shut up and be grateful for whatever conditions and pittance they get.

So says a Democrat. Roll over, FDR!

And thanks for your incredibly well-informed take on what the Walmart actions tomorrow are about.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
25. All the teams that played today will have extra days off in between games
Fri Nov 23, 2012, 02:59 AM
Nov 2012

in order to compensate. None of those teams will play again until next weekend, unlike the other 26 teams that play this Sunday and Monday.

 

Comrade_McKenzie

(2,526 posts)
26. No. I hate sports... and this week's campaign is about retail working conditions...
Fri Nov 23, 2012, 03:04 AM
Nov 2012

Last I heard, there hasn't been a campaign by these employees for better working conditions.

Also: None of this is about working on Thanksgiving.

Contrary people, ugh.

Tigress DEM

(7,887 posts)
27. Nope. Don't support either.
Fri Nov 23, 2012, 03:30 AM
Nov 2012

HOWEVER, I think there is something you haven't considered.

The employees who are working in support of the NFL game, they aren't going on strike in order for us to support them.

Wal-Mart employees have really had enough and are mobilized and public support validates their own effort to stand up and speak truth to power.

It's good that you caused us to consider other groups that may need our support as well - whenever they DO decide that they want to strike for better wages etc...

Consider also. When Wal-Mart makes changes then it does affect others in the community. If THEY give their employees better wages and benefits, other companies have to match that to keep employees as well. So even your group working on Thanksgiving for the NFL game might get a little bump somewhere down the road. "Boss, I need a raise, or I'm going to have to leave this gig and go get a job at Wal-Mart. I don't want to, but I have to feed my family, help me out here."

Sounds crazy, but collective bargaining raises the bar across the board. Even non-union shops try to offer better wages to prove that their employees don't "need" the unions to get better treatment.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
29. A lot of people work on holidays. That's nothing new.
Fri Nov 23, 2012, 03:43 AM
Nov 2012

Emergency services of course have to be operating. Hospitals are staffed. Hotels have to be staffed. Some restaurants are open. Many McDonalds are open. 24-hour pharmacies are open. Most gas stations are open.

Disney World and every other theme park is open, airports, cruise ships, taxis, etc, etc... the list goes on forever.

The days when people had holidays off are long gone....unless you work at a bank or the post office.

quakerboy

(13,920 posts)
32. What would be your point?
Fri Nov 23, 2012, 07:05 AM
Nov 2012

I am not, actually. But I know full well that there are items I have used or owned that do not match up with the moral stances that I hold.

I can look at my desk and see multiple things that I am fairly certain were constructed with slave labor.

Does that excuse me to go spit on a service worker or trample a clerk in my local big box store? Or even just to go buy another slave labor construction, particularly if there is another similar choice that was made in a less horrific fashion available?

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
33. It is not about the requirement to work on a holiday, it is about fair treament and
Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:13 AM
Nov 2012

equitable compensation. But you know that. Would you continue even half a day without the compensation you feel you deserve?

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