K&R.

that there were no churches in Russia and nobody was allowed to own a gun. Later on in life when I met Russian folks, they laughed in my face at these beliefs. One of them even told me, she has yet to see a place of worship as beautiful as the one she went to in the Soviet Union and her father had a small arsenal of weapons in her parents bedroom closet. They shoved a lot of shit down our throats growing up in this country in the sixties.

Poppy Bush was a primary proponent and beneficiary of those bloody Cold War purges.

That if the same bastards can do that to Obama, they WILL try. If JFK got shot today, Fox News would be lionizing his death.

Everything that happens here is about the money. With Kennedy alive there would have been no Vietnam war, he was looking to break up the intelligence agencies and he was looking to end the cold war. Lots of money lost for the MIC and they were not going to stand for it.

A great tragedy for this nation.

ABC did an interview with Oleg Kalugin, a ex-KGB spy from 1958 to 1990.

It is an interesting interview...

would support that hypothesis. And he now works for the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleg_Kalugin

Of course, it's been said that Operation Mockingbird has been discontinued.

which are uniquely known by the ex-spys.

Probably a little truth to the Russian's statements, esp about Texas and Goldwater.

Is that a young Don Hewitt behind Cronkite at the 1:00 mark? Looks like him.

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Although, I was pretty young then, and I had that childish trust in Cronkite. Looking at this today, he looks like a shill. Different perpectives with time. And he was a product of his time, like most are.

Russia was indeed being blamed for Oswald, but he was not beloved when he lived there and took a Russian wife. Too bad that the clip cuts off just when it wes getting interesting. The Pravda of that day was adversarial, but Kennedy was politically attacked for the Bay of Pigs and not nuking Russia by some quarters of American society.

What remains to be seen, is will this or next year be the year that there is satisfaction for all of us? The human race, except those who profit by war, and there are more than we want to believe, generally want peace between all peoples.

I'll send this to some friends in Russia. I started chatting with them online a few years ago, during the end of the Bush years and they were worried about the American elections, afraid of McCain.

I gave them info about candidates who wanted peace and words of the Founders, etc. They were impressed and relieved that not all Americans wanted to go to war with Iran, which they have treaties with, because the media was pushing that at the time.

Also they were contacting native peoples as there was much in common with their traditional lives in the past, much like their Siberian communities.

They are younger than me, post Cold War, and we shared our hopes and dreams, religious beliefs, family history. We both know our history going back a thousand years, the difference is that part of their family still lives on the same land, and naturally, as emigrants, my family does not. They were not wealthy, but I found that awesome.

They sent me many videos that made me realize we were lied to about their huge country, which is as diverse, or in many ways more so, than the USA.

Their question was, because they got a lot of hate from Americans, and it was hurtful when they were trying to show the best of their countryside, religion and culure, and it hurt:

'Why do Americans hate us so much? Why do you want to kill us? We could work together, we could go to the stars together.'

As someone said upthread, we were lied to a lot about Russia.

Tell them we could still go to the stars together!

"we could go to the stars together." says so much, and it's not even a metaphor.

Most people would have never known what the russians said about anything in those days unless it was on TV. So why report it?

his reporting (and editorializing of) it was US propaganda. That was why it was reported - to show how crazy those Russians are or whatever. In retrospect, however, it looks a lot different though...