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yortsed snacilbuper

(7,939 posts)
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 11:32 AM Nov 2012

U.S. officials tell state(Pa.)to use same standards to grade charter schools

PHILADELPHIA -- Federal education officials have denied Pennsylvania's request to evaluate charter school achievement using more lenient criteria, saying they must be assessed by the same standard as traditional schools.

The rejection means Pennsylvania cannot substitute a less stringent method for measuring "adequate yearly progress," the federal benchmark known as AYP. Critics said the formula artificially inflated charter schools' performance for political reasons.

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U.S. officials tell state(Pa.)to use same standards to grade charter schools (Original Post) yortsed snacilbuper Nov 2012 OP
That's what Rhode Island does and it works well. nt hack89 Nov 2012 #1
Critics said the formula artificially inflated charter schools' performance for political reasons. summerschild Nov 2012 #2
Philadelphia charters have been extremely corrupt Patiod Nov 2012 #5
It's just a matter of time until your Philadelphia story begins to unfold here. summerschild Nov 2012 #12
You need to send those vibes our way.... Wounded Bear Nov 2012 #3
Oh ya... SoapBox Nov 2012 #8
villagarosa (sp?) is definitely in their pockets. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #19
+1 HiPointDem Nov 2012 #18
lmao. lmao Baitball Blogger Nov 2012 #4
That is the unfairness of the charter school system silhouete2 Nov 2012 #6
If student success truly were the charter system's intent this wouldn't even be a story. Ed Suspicious Nov 2012 #7
QFT........nt Wounded Bear Nov 2012 #14
k&r Starry Messenger Nov 2012 #9
Parochial and private schools are still exempt. Just sayin'. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #10
Since they aren't funded by tax dollars proud2BlibKansan Nov 2012 #11
Voucher schemes sulphurdunn Nov 2012 #15
True proud2BlibKansan Nov 2012 #16
Here is another nuance that is involved in all of this.... Klukie Nov 2012 #24
Here is a link that lists the "underperforming" public schools Klukie Nov 2012 #25
Yes they lose funding when kids go elsewhere proud2BlibKansan Nov 2012 #26
Kind of figured that...Corbett needs to go! Klukie Nov 2012 #27
That's okay with me because they don't take public funding. FourScore Nov 2012 #13
they do get public funding gristy Nov 2012 #20
I am saying PRIVATE schools don't get public funding. Of course charter schools get it. n/t FourScore Nov 2012 #28
Sure, maybe...UNTIL VOUCHERS COME TO TOWN! n/t savebigbird Nov 2012 #22
K&R! hrmjustin Nov 2012 #17
BREAKING: Feds Set Higher Standards for Charter Schools in PA RomneyLies Nov 2012 #21
Good work by the feds. They want the money, they have to be regulated. Eliminate the cronyism. freshwest Nov 2012 #23

summerschild

(725 posts)
2. Critics said the formula artificially inflated charter schools' performance for political reasons.
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 12:23 PM
Nov 2012

Or was that for profit reasons? Silly me - same difference!

Patiod

(11,816 posts)
5. Philadelphia charters have been extremely corrupt
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 12:42 PM
Nov 2012

There are articles in our local paper all the time about management skimming money, cheating on tests, and even one school where they opened a speakeasy in the basement after school hours (seriously),

summerschild

(725 posts)
12. It's just a matter of time until your Philadelphia story begins to unfold here.
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 02:00 PM
Nov 2012

The first jack-out-of-the-box here, the former mayor (who lost re-election just before the posse was let lose) announced he was applying for 90+ charter school licenses. He had been heavily implicated in dozens of nefarious "deals" during his too many years in office. Tried his best to cut a deal to sell our utility company, profited from real estate sales made possible by rezonings and city redevelopment plans..... it went on and on.....

So he was just among the first to smell the money and jump in.... I think he wound up with several licenses but not the huge number he intended to.

I've no doubt there's a substantial number of other crooks we just don't know about yet, but I've no doubt his will surface as problems soon. It's that old "leopards and their spots" thing.


Help me remember. Did we really have a problem with teachers before Bush's No Child Left Behind? Seems that's when teachers and their unions became demons as the Republicans created a problem to sell their "fix".

I'm just afraid a large number of our citizenry doesn't understand how vital public education is to this nation.

Wounded Bear

(58,718 posts)
3. You need to send those vibes our way....
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 12:25 PM
Nov 2012

Washington State just fell for the charter school mantra and voted them in.

I fear for our students, frankly.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
8. Oh ya...
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 01:16 PM
Nov 2012

That "Charter" thing needs to go away and be replaced with "FOR Profit" school.

Here in Los Angeles, even the Mayor has his fingers in a FOR PROFIT school company.

Such bullshit that has been going on all across the country.

silhouete2

(80 posts)
6. That is the unfairness of the charter school system
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 12:56 PM
Nov 2012

They get the easier breaks, but hte public schools do not. So they CANNOT be compared--yet they do and charters look better. I'm all for a different kind of school--because some kids need something different--BUT if they are gong to receive tax money to fund their schools, then they damn well better be graded on the same curve as the rest of us. And if they faiil, then they deserve the same repurcussions as the public schools that don't make "adequate" AYP. Of course, we could simply throw out NCLB--and fund ALL our schools equally--so that those of us who teach in a lower socio-economic level at least stand a chance. NCLB hurts the schools that teach minorities, second language learners, students with more IEPs than any other. But good for the feds for enforcing NCLB across the board. Let the charter schools feel the pain of unrealistic expectations regarding AYP and API, just like the rest of us do in public schools.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
7. If student success truly were the charter system's intent this wouldn't even be a story.
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 01:07 PM
Nov 2012

If student success is their intent, they should be calling for tougher standards for all.

Klukie

(2,237 posts)
25. Here is a link that lists the "underperforming" public schools
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 11:23 AM
Nov 2012

and the eligible parochial/private schools that the students can transfer to via a scholarship that is funded with corporate tax credits. Please keep in mind that what they define as underperforming only applies to public schools and the criteria is any school that is in the bottom 15% of the state standard (PSSA). Many of these schools have met AYP, however they are in the overall bottom 15% because there will always be a bottom 15%. Students that are eligible cannot transfer to another public school within their own district and the options within their district appear to be all parochial/private schools. I wonder if a school loses funding for the child when he or she goes elsewhere?
http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/community/school_services_office/9153/p/1202312

FourScore

(9,704 posts)
13. That's okay with me because they don't take public funding.
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 02:02 PM
Nov 2012

Charter schools are essentially private schools financially (in the sense that they are "for profit&quot , but work under the guise of being a "public school alternative".

My kids went to a private school for a while (until we could no longer afford it). The education quality really was superior because they were not being taught to pass state and federal mandated tests, but rather they were taught to learn. It was comprehensive. For example, when studying the Great Depression in social studies, they might read The Grapes of Wrath in English at the same time. It really was better. Now my kids are in public schools and it is staggering how much pressure there is to prepare for all the exams coming down the pike.

gristy

(10,667 posts)
20. they do get public funding
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 07:54 PM
Nov 2012
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_school

"Charter schools are primary or secondary schools that receive public money (and like other schools, may also receive private donations) but are not subject to some of the rules, regulations, and statutes that apply to other public schools. Instead, charter schools are expected to produce certain results, set forth in each school's charter."
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