K&R.

The OP is well constructed and written, but excludes proof of the allegations other than what other people and groups have said about this agreement. There ought to be portions of the leaked documents quotated within the OP to support the narrative being promulgated by the writer.
The OP states that the Obama administration, as just another corporate whore, is supporting this agreement. Has anyone asked the administration about these concerns? What was the administration's response? The tone of these articles always makes me wonder...

(1) Other let's-send-American-manufacturing-jobs-to-foreign-countries "free-trade" agreements have been signed and they have been a disaster for America as a whole.

And (2) this latest "free-trade" agreement has been negotiated in secret. You acknowledged knowing this when you used the phrase "portions of the leaked documents."

If this was in our best interest, the Obama Administration would not be relying upon secrecy while negotiating one of the most important and far-reaching agreements that is going to have an impact upon all of our lives.

If you are among the super-rich or even a wealthy stockholder, this may benefit you. If you are otherwise a middle-class American, the odds are that it will not.

You are surprised about what part of this? What part are you finding unbelievable? this is being rammed through with the exact same cavalier force as NAFTA and GATT even though some 80% of the public opposed those 2 agreements. No, the modern trade agreements are the spoils of purchasing Obama and every other supporter. Read the site in my tag line if you're really interested...I'm guessing you are choosing to close your eyes and see candy canes and unicorns just as the corporatists know you will and don't intend to educate yourself about this..

Same cast, same bullshit, different location, different year.

that traitor to labor, Robert Reich, promising milk and honey for the US after NAFTA..still waiting..now we get to read Reich's disbelief that the US economy is in the shitter where he was told it would be, all the while he blames labor for the economic problems..

As for DU, I find it interesting with all the blunder about corporatists, big banks, and the Occupy movement, there isn't a movement against these labor destroying agreements, the silence on these issues, and frankly the bribery and traitorism of our elected officials who are supporting these agreements with no protection of foreign or domestic labor..is truly deafening..

I hope that you haven't already got my last name and list of lifetime loves as well.
I was asking nicely about a subject I know nothing about that was brought to my attention by the OP.
The tone of the OP suggests some things about the president that I'm inclined to suspect, hence the particular articulation of my question.
I am hopeful that my joining DU leads to the formation of close friendships and meeting all kinds of different people. I'm always disappointed when someone makes sweeping statements and assumptions about me or others based on such small slivers of information about us as people.

"I'm guessing you are choosing to close your eyes and see candy canes and unicorns just as the corporatists know you will and don't intend to educate yourself about this."

I expect some sort of apology from you that acknowledges your responsibility for this choice as an adult, otherwise I will assume that you have nothing constructive to add to the conversation and cannot accept responsibility for your own actions. I know this is just some silly discussion thread on some silly website, but one should always practice care when given the opportunity to prove your charity after unfairly withdrawing it.

I'm looking forward to reading the information you have provided for me in the link. Thank you from all of the members of DU for going to the trouble to put together a robust response to corporatist elements within our own electorate. We ought to be working together to educate everyone about each of our niche interests and how they affect and effect our lives as citizens of America.

you'll find that there are many threads around here that are not in documentary format, some require outside research on your own..this is a simple one to research. Posting advice as your post #4 seems to be is usually a way to dispel information posted without actually posting opposing proof.

fight TPP?

the next chance that we(the people) will have to do anything definitive about it will be November 2014.
we need qualified non-corporatist candidates in every congressional race- and we need to support them and get others to support them as well.
ultimately- the people do have the power to make the changes.
but it will be one hell of a fight- and they won't fight 'fair'...they never have, never do.

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Might be time to open a pitchfork specialty store.

& reccn.

K&R for discussion

I ran over to readersupportednews.org and read for a good half hour and didn't come upon a date. (BTW, that does look like a legitimate muckracker sight with Truthout.org folks running it.) For some time now, my blood boils when I hear that our government has done something in secret. I remember a time when C-Span showed EVERYTHING that was going on in our government. (Not so, anymore, it made a huge change around the time GW came in.) I just don't trust anything secret. Corporations are secret. They don't have to tell anybody what the hay they're doing. Corps are run as dictatorships. It's why Romney got away without handing over his tax returns. Why his campaign was run not on solid facts, but by conjecture. Not to mention his secret religion.

These trade deals (Nafta & Gatt) were started under GHWB, weren't they, and then voted on when Clinton got in? Then all the living Presidents went up to DC for this grand signing ceremony? Supposed to be the best thing since sliced bread, they told us? (As opposed to Ross Perot, who asked if we heard that giant sucking sound...i.e., the sound of our jobs going over seas.)

Is this really a democracy? I am totally bamboozled at the moment. Dayamm!