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proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 11:16 PM Nov 2012

Dispatch from an American Classroom: I Wasn't Prepared for Pregnant 12 Year-Olds

If you were to start on Independence Avenue from where it splits off from Pennsylvania Avenue NE at Third Street and head east, as you get to RFK Stadium you loop around the circle and then cross the Anacostia River on East Capitol Street. A few miles later on your left is an aging junior high school building that houses a non-profit charter Middle School and companion High School. I teach in the former.

Knowing several of the staff, and having visited the school previously, I thought I was prepared. I knew the population was very much at-risk. I had no idea.

I teach 7th grade Social Studies - Ancient World History. The students are all African-American, from Wards 7 & 8, the poorest parts of the District of Columbia. We are just several hundred yards inside the District from its boundary with Prince George's County Maryland. The students are supposed to wear uniform shirts, different by grade, which most of them do. I knew that many came from families that at best struggle, some from single parent households, some living with relatives other than their parents. Still I was not prepared. I did not expect a small 7th grade girl who walked into my room - she is due to give birth on January 23, when she will still be 12 years old.

I am told that she will be the 2nd 7th grader to give birth this year.

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I teach less than five miles from our nation's Capitol, in a setting that remains invisible to far too many who make policy based on flawed and incomplete data without ever seeing the reality of the children.

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Dispatch from an American Classroom: I Wasn't Prepared for Pregnant 12 Year-Olds (Original Post) proud2BlibKansan Nov 2012 OP
Back in the Day, I taught at Buchanan, and then Browne JHS. a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #1
The difference today is that they're given support and kept in school Warpy Nov 2012 #2
This. Although many could use a lot more support than they get. Brickbat Nov 2012 #3
but will she be able to stay in school? liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #5
I taught at a school that provided day care for student moms. immoderate Nov 2012 #6
1967 - I was teaching in a Jr High school beveeheart Nov 2012 #18
I taught a pregnant white 13-yr-old ca. 1980. Suburban school. Nothing new under the WinkyDink Nov 2012 #4
K&R Liberal_in_LA Nov 2012 #7
Who is the Father, is he going to help? Heather MC Nov 2012 #8
Odds are, the father's an adult. knitter4democracy Nov 2012 #23
At what point and age do we call this child abuse? I don't care if it was another Hestia Nov 2012 #9
and where are her parents? defacto7 Nov 2012 #10
The parents of both the children are the ones I'm mad at. white_wolf Nov 2012 #15
Is it abuse when two 12 years olds have sex? Who is doing the abusing? madinmaryland Nov 2012 #11
That's what' I'd like to know. white_wolf Nov 2012 #14
There are actually some state laws that deem that to be consensual sex. vaberella Nov 2012 #17
Alaska, who gave us Sarah Palin? Sorry, couldn't resist that one... madinmaryland Nov 2012 #20
sex can be totally consensual and yet not *legally consensual*. Two completely different meanings Schema Thing Nov 2012 #22
When pre-teen girls are pregnant Karia Nov 2012 #19
It is plain and simple that it isn't child abuse. white_wolf Nov 2012 #12
Twelve year old boys usually aren't capable of impregnating. knitter4democracy Nov 2012 #24
That teacher needs to watch DeGrassi... vaberella Nov 2012 #13
Personally, I don't think 12 year olds Ilsa Nov 2012 #16
Two girls in our neighborhood had babies at age 12 AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #21

Warpy

(111,357 posts)
2. The difference today is that they're given support and kept in school
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 11:47 PM
Nov 2012

instead of expelled to live without education and without hope, out of sight so that bureaucrats could deny their existence.

12 year olds were getting pregnant 50 years ago when I was in school. This is nothing new. What is new is that we're dealing with it rather than denying it.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
5. but will she be able to stay in school?
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 11:55 PM
Nov 2012

Is she giving it up for adoption or is she going to try to raise a newborn at the age of 12 or 13 and still be able to stay in school? Pregnant teens are now allowed to go to school rather than being forced out but the drop out rates are still very high for this group of young women. The odds are against her but I wish her the best. I hope she beats those odds.

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
6. I taught at a school that provided day care for student moms.
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 12:08 AM
Nov 2012

A girl I taught was fourteen. Her daughter was two. Nice kid. Good mother from what I saw.

--imm

beveeheart

(1,371 posts)
18. 1967 - I was teaching in a Jr High school
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 01:07 AM
Nov 2012

in Salisbury MD. One of my 7th grade students hid her pregnancy from everyone and gave birth to the baby on the kitchen floor where her mother found her and the baby when she arrived home from work. The girl never returned to school.

It's a very good thing that the girls can remain in school now, even though some still do discontinue their education.

 

Heather MC

(8,084 posts)
8. Who is the Father, is he going to help?
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 12:26 AM
Nov 2012

This may happen often but it's always shocking. I have a son who will turn 11 this December I don't look at him and think, oh yeah he is ready to be a daddy. I see a little boy who likes riding his bike, playing video games, and playing trains with is little brother.

I hope this little girl gets the support she needs to stay in school. She is still just a little girl no matter what adult things she thinks she is ready for.

The sad reality is no one will treat this girl like she was violated and she was, who is the father? Will he be held responsible for the life he created.

I know a guy who got a girl pregnant when he was 14, His father mad him man up an take care of his son. And he never got another girl pregant after that. well not without marrying her first.
this is sad

knitter4democracy

(14,350 posts)
23. Odds are, the father's an adult.
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 02:55 AM
Nov 2012

Most fathers of young girls' babies are quite a bit older from the studies I've seen. Chances are, the father's a relative, a friend of the family, or a female relative's boyfriend.

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
9. At what point and age do we call this child abuse? I don't care if it was another
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 12:33 AM
Nov 2012

12 year who knocked her up, this is abuse plain and simple.

white_wolf

(6,238 posts)
15. The parents of both the children are the ones I'm mad at.
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 12:57 AM
Nov 2012

Blaming either of the kids is just stupid. Neither of them are old enough to really understand the consequences of their actions, especially if their parents aren't willing to talk to them about sex and explain the risks, which a lot of parents aren't.

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
11. Is it abuse when two 12 years olds have sex? Who is doing the abusing?
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 12:52 AM
Nov 2012

Can it even be called consensual when neither of them are even teenagers??

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
17. There are actually some state laws that deem that to be consensual sex.
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 01:01 AM
Nov 2012

For instance in Alaska you can be 13 and consent to having sex with someone 13 but younger than 16. Even though the state laws says the age of consent is technically 16. However, it would not in any way sexual abuse if let's say a 13 year old consents to having sex with another 13 year old.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America#United_States

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
20. Alaska, who gave us Sarah Palin? Sorry, couldn't resist that one...
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 01:36 AM
Nov 2012

The question I have, is do 13 year olds have the legal ability to consent to anything? Yes, it's a very gray area.

If it is considered consensual, then who is responsible for the child? The mother or father, the grandparents, the state...?

And will any state allow them to marry at the age of 13?

Schema Thing

(10,283 posts)
22. sex can be totally consensual and yet not *legally consensual*. Two completely different meanings
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 01:58 AM
Nov 2012


the addition of "legal" to "consent" doesn't really modify the word consent, it changes it's meaning into a useful legal term with a unique definition not all that related to the original word "consent".

white_wolf

(6,238 posts)
12. It is plain and simple that it isn't child abuse.
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 12:54 AM
Nov 2012

If they were both 12 years old it wasn't child abuse. They are both children, the boy involved isn't anymore mature or responsible than the than the girl, assuming it was consensual. It was poor judgment on both of their parts. Honestly I'm more upset with the parents of the two people involved than I am with either of them. They both messed up, but their parents shouldn't have allowed this to happen. Trying to have a 12 year old charged for child abuse is just stupid and will cause far more harm than good. The best thing for society to do in this case is make sure the mother is aware of all of her options regarding her pregnancy knows that she can give it up for adoption if she chooses.

knitter4democracy

(14,350 posts)
24. Twelve year old boys usually aren't capable of impregnating.
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 02:56 AM
Nov 2012

The odds are very high that the father of the baby isn't under the age of 18.

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
13. That teacher needs to watch DeGrassi...
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 12:55 AM
Nov 2012

That is in Canada---I say take anything and give it an exponent and you've just been introduced to American schools.

Ilsa

(61,698 posts)
16. Personally, I don't think 12 year olds
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 12:59 AM
Nov 2012

should be giving birth. If it was my daughter, I'd probably talk her into having an abortion. Pregnancy in one so young is high risk. I'm surprised doctors or parents go this route.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
21. Two girls in our neighborhood had babies at age 12
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 01:42 AM
Nov 2012

...when I was a kid. The neighborhood was poor and white in Washington state. This is relatively common in really poor neighborhoods in the US, unfortunately.

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