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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMy son is accused of a felony
He's been waiting for two years for his case to come to court. Because he has this accusation hanging over his head, he can't leave the state, vote or own a firearm.
Why isn't TSF held to that same standard?
Emile
(22,927 posts)an Air National Guardsman ARRESTED LAST YEAR for bringing home top secret documents was sentenced 16 years.
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,070 posts)Emile
(22,927 posts)actually put him behind bars until his trial?
TwilightZone
(25,485 posts)Hence, no trial. If there's no trial, things can proceed relatively quickly.
Emile
(22,927 posts)you are innocent until proven broke.
Put Trump behind bars until his trial would speed things up
FHRRK
(500 posts)Simple yes or no?
TwilightZone
(25,485 posts)onenote
(42,767 posts)and because when he was arrested, they found next to his bed, a stockpile of weapons, among them handguns, shotguns, bolt-action rifles, an AK-style rifle with high-capacity magazine, a gas mask.
Emile
(22,927 posts)Having his own jet to fly away from justice and an army of armed magats in his control.
onenote
(42,767 posts)And Trump is not a serious flight risk.Unlike Texeira, Trump surrendered voluntarily. And he's fucking running for president and there is no indication that he has any intention of fleeing before trial. He's convinced, undoubtedly, that he'll win, either at trial, or on appeal.
Emile
(22,927 posts)it would be Garland.
onenote
(42,767 posts)Despite what some here think, Garland is hands off on how the special prosecutor pursues this case. The government agreed to Trump being released on his own recognizance when he was arraigned -- a decision that surprised absolutely no one who is familiar with the statutory provisions governing bail.
Emile
(22,927 posts)onenote
(42,767 posts)The decision to release Trump on his own recognizance was made by a Magistrate Judge, which is who is empowered to make such decisions. Applying the standards of the Bail Reform Act, there is no way Trump was going to be jailed pending trial. None. Nada. Zero. And that is why there was no objection from Smith, not because Garland stepped in and told him not to object.
ChazInAz
(2,572 posts)He has a small army of loons ready to swing into action whenever he demands it.
FHRRK
(500 posts)Simple yes or no
onenote
(42,767 posts)FHRRK
(500 posts)But since you brought it up.
The OPs son seems not to have the means to cover bail.
I personnaly could cover a bail most couldn't Not tRump BS level, but could cover more than others. Why should I be able to walk free why other with less $'s be put behind bars for the EXACT same crime.
Why does a million in assets supercede wether my ass sits in jail, (leverage) compared to some fuck that has no assets.
And I want you to really ponder this! Why does a person collecting $1,000,000 get different treatment than a person who has $1 in his pocket? Same crime why different treatment.
And be careful, because any REPUKE has an answer that is acceptable from a REPUKE. I see no valid response from a Dem.
onenote
(42,767 posts)But, for what its worth, nothing that I wrote was advocating for our current cash bail system. The Bail Reform Act was a first step towards making sure that more people are released pending trial, but the next step, one being taken in some steps, is to eliminate cash bail completely.
Irish_Dem
(47,428 posts)We can clearly see the two tiered American justice system in full force.
AllaN01Bear
(18,423 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,428 posts)byronius
(7,401 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,428 posts)TwilightZone
(25,485 posts)I'm not aware of anything that's stopping him from being able to vote.
A few states don't allow people in prison to vote, but it doesn't sound as though that's the case here, either.
https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/felon-voting-rights
https://www.aclu.org/issues/voting-rights/felony-disenfranchisement-laws-map
Edit:
It also appears to be no longer constitutional (according to a ruling by a Trump judge) to prohibit accused (but not convicted) felons from owning firearms.
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/09/19/second-amendment-texas-case-buy-guns-felony-indictment/
republianmushroom
(13,687 posts)iluvtennis
(19,874 posts)AverageOldGuy
(1,544 posts)My son was convicted of a minor felony 8 years ago, got probation. His probation officer had a habit: When time came for her to go on vacation, she would charge several of her people with probation violation, put them in jail for 3 months so she didn't have to check on them, the other POs checked on her other people. He spent 3 months in jail.
After that episode and now with Trump, it's clear to me that our "legal system" or "judicial system" or "justice system" is none of the above. The system is like damn near everything else in this country: Money. If you have it, you are untouchable. If you don't, well, shit flows downhill
It's like that Travis Tritt song, "Lord Have Mercy on the Working Man".
". . . Why's the rich man busy dancing
While the poor man pays the band . . . "
KS Toronado
(17,329 posts)SoFlaBro
(1,946 posts)catbyte
(34,454 posts)You have to be convicted. But as for the firearms, prohibiting possession of firearms and/or ammunition is pretty standard for felony charges with or without a PR bond, no matter how minor the felony. If you son is prevented from voting, I'd consult a civil rights attorney because being accused of a felony is not the same as being convicted of one.
aggiesal
(8,924 posts)niyad
(113,576 posts)the state?
RainCaster
(10,916 posts)Once lousy felony and he can't leave the state. But TSF is all over the damn country in his private jet, and that asshole has been charged with many felonies, some that involve national security.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,145 posts)We may all be accused of a felony soon.
barbtries
(28,811 posts)it's unconscionable. we are supposed to be a nation of laws and not men, but republicans hate that. I'm so sorry y'all are going through that. AND, if he's not convicted, he should be able to vote!!! what is up with that.
onenote
(42,767 posts)In my state of Virginia, being charged with a felony doesn't impact your right to vote -- only a conviction does. I think that is the is the case in most states.
Also, depending on the nature of the felony charge and the accused's past history, restrictions on ownership or possession of firearms and limitations on travel outside the state are not uncommon conditions of bail in most states.
Ms. Toad
(34,092 posts)And at least a federal law prohibiting individuals from owning guns was declared unconstitutional in 2022. I have not checked individual state laws - but sinde this is a constitutional issue I expect it would be similarly unconstitutiona.
Cheezoholic
(2,033 posts)Xolodno
(6,401 posts)After that, it gets destroyed. But it will cost you a couple of grand with a lawyer.
Demsrule86
(68,689 posts)he shouldn't have done. He spent two years in prison He was told by the FBI 'Plead guilty or we arrest your 70 year old sick Mom'. He broke the law and was held accountable...he was able to make a decent life for himself and his boys because his family stuck by him. And Trump who has done much worse things...keeps gaming the system. I want heads to roll in New York's Southern District for what they did to Hillary and how they are helping Trump. Trump needs to face prison for his crimes.
PufPuf23
(8,839 posts)Just like Trump and all the other criminal weirdos and the professional talking heads that like to entertain us all; and maybe slip in something of value on occasion but to certainly keep people of all stripes riled. Faux is most obvious.
Don't understand the smart folks at DU who obviously know about the law and may be actually attorneys.
Hope your son has a fortunate outcome.