General Discussion

Hamlette

(15,412 posts) Mon Mar 18, 2024, 05:24 PM Mar 18

Stop saying Trump is anti democracy. He is anti American.

Watching Trump salute to honor the Jan 6th criminals turned my stomach. That is not what Americans do. We don't salute (as if he's still commander in chief? Or that they are our soldiers? Or his soldiers?) we place our hands over our hearts. And we don't honor or pardon people who tried to tear down our country. Or vote for them. What has happened to us?

I'm not sure the anti democracy meme is working. It's too abstract. And when I think about it, I would love to have a Dem in office forever. That would be a great thing. For everyone.

Saying he is anti American means the same as anti democracy but maybe Republicans will understand it.

Or not. But I like it better.

8 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Stop saying Trump is anti democracy. He is anti American. (Original Post) Hamlette Mar 18 OP

He's both. no_hypocrisy Mar 18 #1

No. johnp3907 Mar 18 #2

Sore loser and cheater. unblock Mar 18 #3

Americans love cheaters. Marcus IM Mar 18 #5

True but most don't like the idea of a crook and cheat in the White House. But then, 30% or so do.... unblock Mar 18 #7

Yep. Unless they benefit from the crookery. Marcus IM Mar 18 #8

I agree. Americans don't care that much about democracy. Marcus IM Mar 18 #4

Been thinking the same thing. 2naSalit Mar 18 #6

no_hypocrisy

(46,274 posts)

1. He's both.

Reply to Hamlette (Original post)

Mon Mar 18, 2024, 05:28 PM

Mar 18

johnp3907

(3,734 posts)

2. No.

Reply to Hamlette (Original post)

Mon Mar 18, 2024, 05:41 PM

Mar 18

He’s anti-democracy.
And I’ll keep saying it.

unblock

(52,440 posts)

3. Sore loser and cheater.

Reply to Hamlette (Original post)

Mon Mar 18, 2024, 05:49 PM

Mar 18

Yes, anti-American. But I think things like sore loser and cheater hit harder and are easier to prove. Or at least to convince people of.

What is and isn't pro- or anti- "American" is in practice pretty vague and people disagree.

But I think it's easier to convince people (well maybe independents, thought not republicans of course) that he lost, was a sore loser, and tried to win by cheating after he lost.

Marcus IM

(2,268 posts)

5. Americans love cheaters.

Reply to unblock (Reply #3)

Mon Mar 18, 2024, 05:54 PM

Mar 18

Just look at the entertainment they like.
Lots of lovable bank robbers, casino crooks, revenge murderers, Wall Street manipulators and cheats are the beloved stars.
It's "which crook do you like most" as the main characters in major hit movies and teevee programming.
Americans love crooks cheaters.
And if they could cheat on their taxes ... like dear orange leader, they will.

unblock

(52,440 posts)

7. True but most don't like the idea of a crook and cheat in the White House. But then, 30% or so do....

Reply to Marcus IM (Reply #5)

Mon Mar 18, 2024, 06:29 PM

Mar 18

Marcus IM

(2,268 posts)

8. Yep. Unless they benefit from the crookery.

Reply to unblock (Reply #7)

Mon Mar 18, 2024, 06:33 PM

Mar 18

Our freedom ... either be the child with a jackboot on its neck, or, be the person wearing the jackboot (if you can).

Marcus IM

(2,268 posts)

4. I agree. Americans don't care that much about democracy.

Reply to Hamlette (Original post)

Mon Mar 18, 2024, 05:50 PM

Mar 18

When America backs a coup or dictatorship, is it unAmerican? I mean ... how many RW coups and RW dictatorships has America backed in its history, and current time?

I ask my neighbor to clean up his own yard littered with junk before calling me out for my brown grass.

America hated the "tyranny" of the Brits, but we do love us some Brit Royals and Royal nooz.

Crazytowne USA

2naSalit

(86,900 posts)

6. Been thinking the same thing.

Reply to Hamlette (Original post)

Mon Mar 18, 2024, 06:26 PM

Mar 18

Reply to this discussion