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The Francis Scott Key Bridge should have had fenders. (Original Post) barbaraann Mar 26 OP
Not sure how much those would have helped DetroitLegalBeagle Mar 26 #1
Yeah, those little fenders would have been a small bump on the way to hitting this massive concrete piers. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 26 #2
Probably concrete "dolphins" rather than fenders FBaggins Mar 26 #3
Concrete Dolphins is what they placed around the Skyway bridge in Tampa Best_man23 Mar 26 #4
Was going to post something similar ornotna Mar 26 #6
I did not know about dolphins! barbaraann Mar 26 #7
I think most new bridges have those safety measures... Wounded Bear Mar 26 #13
What's The Function Of Those? ProfessorGAC Mar 26 #5
To divert a boat or ship. barbaraann Mar 26 #8
The original Skyway bridge was struck on May 9th, 1980. William769 Mar 28 #29
LMAOOOOOOO the only thing that stops a loaded cargo container is land. Come on. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 26 #9
I'm not an engineer, but bumpers are used on some bridges. barbaraann Mar 26 #11
They are indeed. They are not going to stop a loaded cargo ship. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 26 #14
Someone needed to plan something to prevent or mitigate this type of scenario. barbaraann Mar 26 #16
The prevention is "don't hit the bridge." WhiskeyGrinder Mar 26 #17
I just posted an article by an engineer about this particular bridge being vulnerable. n/t barbaraann Mar 26 #18
Here's another article about fenders for bridges. barbaraann Mar 27 #20
gosh I wonder if there were fenders there and if there weren't would they have helped WhiskeyGrinder Mar 27 #25
And it should have been named after a better composer. (nt) Paladin Mar 26 #10
that ship was way too fucking big jcgoldie Mar 26 #12
Well, perhaps then the design was faulty. barbaraann Mar 26 #15
1970's design. The bridge was built to take the ships of the day. haele Mar 26 #19
Modern bridges are designed for this type of accident. barbaraann Mar 27 #21
or maybe a chain link fence? WarGamer Mar 27 #22
Did you see this article? barbaraann Mar 27 #23
I know... was just being funny. Protecting something from an enormous cargo ship isn't easy. WarGamer Mar 27 #24
Right, not quite 'funny' but I've learned a bit about bridge construction in past days. elleng Mar 27 #26
Fenders aren't doing much to stop a 100,000T freighter running at 7 knots. OAITW r.2.0 Mar 27 #27
Something better than what they had, for sure. barbaraann Mar 27 #28

DetroitLegalBeagle

(1,923 posts)
1. Not sure how much those would have helped
Tue Mar 26, 2024, 06:58 AM
Mar 26

The ship that hit it is close to the size of an aircraft carrier. Nearly 1000 ft long and over 100,000 tons of dead weight.

Best_man23

(4,898 posts)
4. Concrete Dolphins is what they placed around the Skyway bridge in Tampa
Tue Mar 26, 2024, 08:39 AM
Mar 26

They do work, as a ship hit one not long after the new Skyway bridge opened. Following that incident, they added more Concrete Dolphins to protect the pilings on the approaches to the main span.

ornotna

(10,801 posts)
6. Was going to post something similar
Tue Mar 26, 2024, 09:02 AM
Mar 26

After the Skyway accident they did a good job protecting the new bridge.

Wounded Bear

(58,660 posts)
13. I think most new bridges have those safety measures...
Tue Mar 26, 2024, 10:47 AM
Mar 26

they work best when put in from the original design, but can be added later as well, depending on the site.

ProfessorGAC

(65,044 posts)
5. What's The Function Of Those?
Tue Mar 26, 2024, 08:48 AM
Mar 26

Is it to divert the ship, or to lift it and use friction to slow momentum?
I've never seen those near a bridge before.
I've been over the causeway bridge in Tampa, but not sure if that was an older bridge. Last time I was in Tampa was over 20 years ago.

barbaraann

(9,151 posts)
16. Someone needed to plan something to prevent or mitigate this type of scenario.
Tue Mar 26, 2024, 11:09 AM
Mar 26

At the very least, the pothole workers should have had some water safety equipment.

barbaraann

(9,151 posts)
20. Here's another article about fenders for bridges.
Wed Mar 27, 2024, 05:07 PM
Mar 27

Baltimore's Key Bridge may have lacked collision protective measures for modern cargo ships: Experts
...
Modern protective measures for bridge piers include adding "fenders," which are protection systems designed to protect the bridge from vessels transiting under or in the vicinity of the bridge, according to the U.S. Coast Guard.

Fenders on modern bridges include "dolphins," which are large circular walls filled with material such as sand or concrete and "artificial islands," armored artificial islands around the piers made of a sand core that is protected against wave and current action by armored slope protection, according to the Coast Guard.

However, it is not yet known whether or not the Baltimore Key Bridge had fenders at the time of the crash.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/baltimores-key-bridge-lacked-collision-protective-measures-modern/story?id=108510431

barbaraann

(9,151 posts)
15. Well, perhaps then the design was faulty.
Tue Mar 26, 2024, 10:53 AM
Mar 26

Engineers are supposed to design structures to be safe and this bridge obviously wasn't.

haele

(12,657 posts)
19. 1970's design. The bridge was built to take the ships of the day.
Tue Mar 26, 2024, 11:20 AM
Mar 26

There's going to be a lot of " shoulda-woulda-coulda" going on, but honestly, the same thing could have happened in any of the large port cities where these large container ships are docking.

This is a case of getting funds and time to update infrastructure. Consider the number of major bridges built 30/40 years ago that are just starting to need updating and retro-fitting, and multiply that by 20 for major bridges built before 1980. That's a lot of infrastructure that has been ignored or outright villified by GOP supply side/tax break deregulators since the 1980's.

Haele

barbaraann

(9,151 posts)
21. Modern bridges are designed for this type of accident.
Wed Mar 27, 2024, 05:09 PM
Mar 27

Baltimore's Key Bridge may have lacked collision protective measures for modern cargo ships: Experts
The bridge was created before pier protections were standardized.
...
Modern protective measures for bridge piers include adding "fenders," which are protection systems designed to protect the bridge from vessels transiting under or in the vicinity of the bridge, according to the U.S. Coast Guard.

Fenders on modern bridges include "dolphins," which are large circular walls filled with material such as sand or concrete and "artificial islands," armored artificial islands around the piers made of a sand core that is protected against wave and current action by armored slope protection, according to the Coast Guard.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/baltimores-key-bridge-lacked-collision-protective-measures-modern/story?id=108510431

elleng

(130,914 posts)
26. Right, not quite 'funny' but I've learned a bit about bridge construction in past days.
Wed Mar 27, 2024, 09:23 PM
Mar 27

Construction and Commerce, LOTS of room for learning, for ALL of us.

OAITW r.2.0

(24,504 posts)
27. Fenders aren't doing much to stop a 100,000T freighter running at 7 knots.
Wed Mar 27, 2024, 09:42 PM
Mar 27

You need protective barriers before the ship hits the bridge infrastructure.

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