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Ohioboy

(3,243 posts)
Tue Mar 26, 2024, 01:32 PM Mar 26

We should be looking for truth, not what you can make people believe

Remember how MAGA was all upset because their 2020 October surprise, the Hunter Biden laptop story, didn't work out the way they wanted? They wanted people to vote based on something that was not proven, and would never be proven.

Now 3 years later they still haven't proven anything they claimed back then.

It makes me sick that we have a political party in this country that want people to vote, not based on the truth, but rather based on what they've led people to believe.

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We should be looking for truth, not what you can make people believe (Original Post) Ohioboy Mar 26 OP
+100 nt WarGamer Mar 26 #1
Good edit dpibel Mar 26 #3
If they ran with the truth, they'd have nothing MadameButterfly Mar 26 #2
It is sad, isn't it? Redleg Mar 26 #4
what would have to happen for the people being hoodwinked to wake up MadameButterfly Mar 26 #5
Amen to that Redleg Mar 28 #6
a friend social worker said that people look for leaders that reflect MadameButterfly Mar 29 #7
Yes we should, but it worked against Hillary... Wounded Bear Mar 29 #8
The entire right-wing is based on that.... Happy Hoosier Mar 29 #9

MadameButterfly

(1,062 posts)
2. If they ran with the truth, they'd have nothing
Tue Mar 26, 2024, 02:00 PM
Mar 26

I wonder what it's like to seek political power and know that your job is to promote lies that sell, and base success on enough people never finding out the truth.

And finding some rationale for why it's ok for that to be your life's mission.

Redleg

(5,814 posts)
4. It is sad, isn't it?
Tue Mar 26, 2024, 03:10 PM
Mar 26

Part of the problem is that there doesn't seem to be any negative consequences for lying about these things but there are positive consequences such as getting re-elected.

I normally try to consider other causes besides rewards and punishments but in this case the simplest explanation seems to work. Of course lying is easier too since you don't have to have command of the facts. People will believe your lies because they want to believe.

MadameButterfly

(1,062 posts)
5. what would have to happen for the people being hoodwinked to wake up
Tue Mar 26, 2024, 03:15 PM
Mar 26

and realize the damage of just hearing what they want to hear? Do their own children have to end up in concentration camps? And if they did would they make the connection?

If democracy survives, we have a lot of work to do educating our young people. And everyone else.

Redleg

(5,814 posts)
6. Amen to that
Thu Mar 28, 2024, 03:04 PM
Mar 28

Some people need to experience it for themselves before they will learn. Others can learn from seeing the bad stuff happen to other people.

MadameButterfly

(1,062 posts)
7. a friend social worker said that people look for leaders that reflect
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 10:53 AM
Mar 29

their upbringing. If they had an authoritaran patriarchal Dad, they look for that in a leader and equate those qualities with love.

I've long believed that people look for or expect qualities in God that reflect their family (good or bad)--it makes sense that it would be true in politics too.

Wounded Bear

(58,670 posts)
8. Yes we should, but it worked against Hillary...
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 11:00 AM
Mar 29

repubs won't change until we thoroughly trounce them in the voting booths.


Happy Hoosier

(7,314 posts)
9. The entire right-wing is based on that....
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 12:34 PM
Mar 29

Years ago, Stephen Colbert coined the term "Truthiness." It means things that feel true to them, regardless of the evidence. MAGAts are just sure the Bidens are corrupt, so all evidence is interpreted with the assumption that the Bidens are corrpt and guilty. The evidence doesn't need to actually prove anything. They simply assume that what they wish were true actually is.

I think fundamentalist relgion has trained these folks to ignore evidence in favor of what MUST be true to remain consistent with their world view.

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