Who knows what could have been?

to be a Democrat would have helped.

By 2000 Moynihan was near the end of his career in the Senate, but he was a powerful legislator and statesman.
FYI before Al Gore chose Lieberman, I had no idea who he was.

Some headlines read, ‘Conservative Democrat beats out Liberal Republican, Lowell Weiker’.

I agree with you, I don't believe Gore lost, but the fix was in and the payoffs are still costing us today.

The SC should have been disbanded then.

You can't do that with ballot counting. There is no state in the country that allows the scenarios you report. No two holes are allowed.

Having spent 15 years living in one of the disputed counties and volunteering on election campaigns, everything from local state legislative campaigns all the way to Presidential campaigns when I lived in Florida, I know Florida election law quite well because I personally worked under it. Florida's intent of the voter standard in 2000 required that all votes where the intent of the voter is clear be counted. Voters can mark their ballots in ways that the counting machines are unable to read them but they make clear the candidate they voted for. Florida had a remedy for counting such ballots in order to make sure that every vote is counted as Florida law clearly required. Votes that the counting machines couldn't read were allowed to be hand duplicated and then they were counted. The county election supervisors were required by law to keep detailed records of every vote that was counted in this manner. This is how 10,000 absentee ballots that the counting machines couldn't read that were located in the most heavily republican voting counties in Florida were in fact hand duplicated and counted. They favored W by more than 2 to 1 and they're in the Jeb Bush/Katherine Harris fraudulent vote total. These absentee ballots were hand duplicated and counted at the very same time W was claiming publicly that he opposed hand counting ballots. W would not have been able to steal the election without these hand counted ballots. The Bush campaign made no effort to block the hand duplication and counting of these ballots because they so heavily favored W. They just blocked the counting of the ballots that the counting machines couldn't read that were in the largest and most heavily democratic voting counties in Florida because they knew that counting all of the votes meant victory for Al Gore. The truth is, the ability to hand duplicate and count ballots that the counting machines couldn't read applied to all ballots that the counting machines couldn't read and not a select few absentee ballots in Florida's most heavily republican voting counties .The Bush election stealers refused to follow Florida election law and count all of the votes because they knew W would lose. When Florida's intent of the voter standard is followed and all of the uncounted Florida ballots where the intent of the voter is clear are counted, W loses every time.
It's also important to remember that the election laws that were in place in Florida in 2000 had been on the books for a century. They were passed in the aftermath of the 1876 election that the GOP had stolen under very similar circumstances. In 1876, the GOP controlled canvassing board in Florida threw out the votes of 1,800 democrats simply because they could because there was no requirement to count every vote. This changed the outcome of that election and awarded Florida to the GOP. This is very similar to what happened in 2000. It had wrongly been believed that the Florida requirement that all votes where the intent of the voter is clear be counted would be enough to make sure that all of the votes were in fact counted in 2000 and it wasn't because the corrupt Florida GOP Governor Jeb, W's brother and corrupt Florida Secretary of State and Bush/Florida campaign co-chair Katherine Harris refused to count all of the votes, Florida election law be damned and got 5 corrupt GOP SCOTUS judges to rubberstamp their anti-democracy behavior.

Having spent 15 years volunteering on election campaigns and living in one of the disputed counties when I lived in Florida, I can tell you that the pro Bush media consortium that claimed to count the votes in 2001 lied about the results in order to hide the truth that Al Gore got the most votes in Florida and is the rightful winner of the 2000 election. The pro Bush media conducted their vote count by inventing vote counting scenarios that did not exist in Florida election law in 2000 which allowed them to still not count all of the uncounted votes as Florida election law clearly required and that made it possible for them to invent another false Bush "win". The 2001 vote count that was done by non media volunteers and actually counted all of the uncounted votes as Florida law required found that Al Gore had won Florida by 4,500 votes. It's important to remember that most of the uncounted Florida votes are located in the largest and most heavily democratic voting counties in Florida. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know who these voters voted for. To this day, the pro Bush media refuses to report this important story. I think it's important that we continue to challenge the pro Bush media's invented Bush "win" and not continue to spread their misinformation.

As trump and others believed.

Al Gore could have simply rejected Florida’s electoral votes to become president.

Pence would have had to throw out the results for at least 6 states.

They have a god awful amount of dumbass’s on the right!

Currently, imo, you haven’t quite got to Grave Dancing.

You have walked up to the grave, put on your tap shoes, but I have you still stretching the hammies.

He should have been an attack dog going after Cheney, but good old Joe just had to make it all about him. Gore should have picked one of the Florida Senators for VP.

They would have won New Hampshire

All Gore needed was 3 from NH and he would have won

But you are correct he really did win FL
if they did a real recount

Bush’s margin over Gore in NH.

Probably no Iraq War, no Justice Alito, killed any effort towards Climate Change, no 2008 market collapse, no Abu Ghraib, no Hurricane Katrina mismanagement, he ended govt. funding for stem cell research, doubled the debt, no Patriot Act just to name a few things.

Looking at that list - and to think that 'W' is STILL ranked higher that IQ45!!!!!

What's worse - IT IS TRUE!!!!!!!!

There was a plan already made to improve airport security, but the Bush people tossed it in the trash because it had Al Gore's name on it. A Gore administration would not have done that.

It also would not have scorned the idea that non-state actors (like Al Queda) were a source of potential threats, whereas Bush and his neocons had jeered at Clinton for using million-dollar missiles to go after "a guy in a tent" (Bin Laden). A Gore admin would not have deprioritized counter-terrorism, nor would it have sneered at intelligence warnings as Bush did.

There's no way to definitively say that a Gore administration would have prevented the 9/11 attacks, but it would have been much better equipped to detect and prevent them. Bush's actions actively lowered our chances of stopping it.

What a horrible time 1999-2001. The worst years of my life in many ways...not just 911, the SC steal and the wars.

Turned to Cheney and said something to the effect that he admired Cheney’s success in business. Do I remember that correctly?

I just remember Cheney pushing back hard a couple times and Leiberman not pushing back. One of The Times
He looked down sheepishly and just kind of smiled. It was infuriating. It sensed there was something going on between the lines that I wasn't aware of

“And I’m pleased to see, Dick, from the newspapers, that you’re better off than you were eight years ago, too,” Lieberman said.

https://web.stanford.edu/class/polisci179/ABCNEWS_com%20%20Cheney,%20Lieberman%20Spar%20in%20Casual%20Debate.htm

and he will always be an opportunistic piece of shit in my mind. Good riddance

I think he was the main reason Al Gore lost.

In a very real neoconservative way, he and Cheney were the same person.

He did what was popular, but when he hit the highest ranks he allowed monied interests around him as a guide. Not a leader, in other words. He was a centrist move as a VP candidate, and while he calmed the middle, he brought no incremental voter base and didn't have the firepower to motivate. He was an attempt to sneak into office.

But please enjoy reading the obituary.
I have quite a list of those I look forward to.

death does not undo the harm he did.

Will you say the same when McConnell or Trump dies?

But I will enjoy their obits.

so he picked the most right-wing Democrat there was. It was a bad pick like when McCain
picked Caribou Barbie to appease the Tea Party.

a very bad decision.

he did.