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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThere are protesters outside where Clinton, Obama, and Biden are meeting, on the Israel-Gaza situation. Will these same
protesters be out there at the republican convention, or at CPAC conventions?
Coventina
(27,217 posts)Because Biden is EVIL!!!!!
(Those folks are seriously deranged).
BlueKota
(1,835 posts)that they might consider detaining Muslims in the U.S. in internment camps is going to do so much more to help protect and save a country that has a 99 percent Muslim population. By the way Trump also hangs with Neo Nazis and praises Hitler so if he gets back in office I doubt things will go so well for Jewish people either.
Look I don't like what's happening in Gaza either, but anything that hurts Biden helps Trump that's the reality. Biden has to win or it's going to be catastrophic for the entire world, if Trump gets back in.
This isn't a typical election. Trump is a dangerous psychopath whose telling us the horrible truth about what he has planned if he manages to win. I don't understand how some people fail to get how big a risk it is to hurt Biden's chances of winning the general election in any way, even if that's not their intent?
Tetrachloride
(7,884 posts)the real questions are : what problem are they protesting and do the protesters present avenues of solutions/progress
Coventina
(27,217 posts)do not care about Gazans at all.
Tetrachloride
(7,884 posts)Coventina
(27,217 posts)Are you saying you are protesting Biden?
Tetrachloride
(7,884 posts)I repeat, why not. who are you to say that i cannot protest. I bet President Biden would not mind my protest. President Biden is the rare politician who is willing to change his mind. So theres hope.
Coventina
(27,217 posts)You can take it up with the admins.
Tetrachloride
(7,884 posts)Coventina
(27,217 posts)TexasDem69
(1,855 posts)As long as you vote for him. But a bunch of those Hamas supporters wont.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)Lumping all anti war protesters as Hamas supporters is BS.
David__77
(23,566 posts)question everything
(47,551 posts)What would another ceasefire achieve?
Would you add to your list of demands the release of the hostages?
Autumn
(45,120 posts)NickB79
(19,277 posts)They've been the defacto rulers of Gaza for over 15 yr.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)NickB79
(19,277 posts)Hamas and the PA were the two options for the people of Gaza.
And the PA wasn't much better than Hamas, as evidenced by their martyr rewards system:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218820558
The martyr payments program financially supports Palestinians and their families if they are wounded, imprisoned or killed while carrying out acts of violence against Israel. It has long infuriated Israelis who say it incentivizes terrorism and call it pay for slay. Many Palestinians say it provides crucial support for people standing up to an oppressive Israeli occupation.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)shrike3
(3,836 posts)RandomNumbers
(17,608 posts)RandomNumbers
(17,608 posts)(in the same breath?)
TheKentuckian
(25,034 posts)You might be demanding not only that they stay in control of Gaza but that their actions be rewarded, that they keep the hostages to torture, rape, and keep in bondage, and use as wicked leverage and that they be allowed to continue their attacks with absolute impunity.
I'd hate to see what support of Hamas might look like if that is opposition.
womanofthehills
(8,795 posts)Never before in their lives have they witnessed the slaughter of children on their phones every day.
Mossfern
(2,575 posts)n/t
Autumn
(45,120 posts)n/t
Mossfern
(2,575 posts)considering you protested the Viet Nam war.
I think your post said "never in my life"
on edit:
My bad - It was not you and it was "never in their lives."
It's on their cell phones because of the incredibly good propaganda machine that Hamas has.
Most of these young protesters get their news from Tic Tock
Autumn
(45,120 posts)not all of them watched the Iraq war on TV.
lapucelle
(18,372 posts)RandomNumbers
(17,608 posts)That is the cause of the suffering in Gaza.
Do you SERIOUSLY expect any politician to do NOTHING when a group does what Hamas did on Oct. 7?
To be clear, I do not support the WAY Netanyahu is doing it. Although I support Israel, I have long despised Netanyahu, and am not happy with him here. But he was a KNOWN FACTOR when Hamas performed their actions. They KNEW what would happen. THEY DID NOT CARE.
So stop f*cking complaining about Israel's actions and put the blame where it belongs.
When every hostage is returned - alive, or their dead bodies ( ) ; when the RAPISTS and MURDERERS are brought to justice; then there is a chance of talking about peace. Then when F*CKING NETANYAHU blocks the appropriate care for the children of this disaster - then it is time for Israelis to deal with him.
lapucelle
(18,372 posts)https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/fking-murderous-kike-pro-palestinian-protesters-accost-biden-fundraiser-attendees-on-nyc-streets/
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As for "presenting avenues of solutions, 1930's fascists had a name for that as well.
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sarisataka
(18,857 posts)Last time it was 60% successful. These "people" would be happy to try again for 100%
Autumn
(45,120 posts)DLCWIdem
(1,580 posts)They just reported that Netanyahu has said he may not be able to stop HAMAS. It's just a little but Every little bit helps
Mossfern
(2,575 posts)If Hamas is not defeated Netanyahu has a cause.
Things are not looking up for him or Likud. That would be one positive outcome of this war.
The sufferings of Gazans though is on Hamas.
Israel will defend itself.
JohnSJ
(92,482 posts)the republican nominee could occupy the WH again?
Why aren't they protesting RFK jr. events?
"https://www.timesofisrael.com/2024-dark-horse-rfk-jr-questions-gaza-ceasefire-defends-israeli-offensive/amp/
LOS ANGELES, California (Reuters)- Independent US presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. offered staunch support for Israel in a Reuters interview, calling it a moral nation that was justly responding to Hamas provocations with its attacks on Gaza and questioning the need for a six-week ceasefire backed by President Joe Biden.
Biden has also been a vocal defender of Israel since the October 7 attack by Hamas, but he has recently pressured the country to stem the humanitarian crisis in Gaza and accelerate a six-week ceasefire for hostage releases and aid delivery.
Asked if he supported a temporary ceasefire in Gaza, Kennedy told Reuters: I dont even know what that means right now.
Kennedy said that each previous ceasefire has been used by Hamas to rearm, to rebuild and then launch another surprise attack. So what would be different this time? he said.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)antihuman, antivax idiot would be a waste of time.
shrike3
(3,836 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)You should try it sometime. There an old saying that applies. Use it or lose it. IMO that includes our rights.
shrike3
(3,836 posts)Okay. Anything that makes Biden look bad helps Trump. So I guess you don't mind having your right to protest curtailed that much. You also don't mind everyone else's rights curtailed, I would assume.
The fate of Palestinians would be sealed if Trump gets in. Guess you don't mind that, either.
TheKentuckian
(25,034 posts)to prop up mutilating rapists and murderers and are gleefully and feverishly working to make way for a real genocide.
If you are working for Chump, Putin, and Sinwar.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)Which side is facing famine and starvation? Israelis or Palestinians? Are supplies being withheld from Israel?
You forgot to finish your throwaway sentience but I'll answer it I don't work for nobody. Just an average American who is sick and fucking tired of stupid people with fucking religious grudges going back fucking centuries while children fucking die.
NickB79
(19,277 posts)They expected Iran, Hezbollah, and the larger Arab world to back them up in their decades-long quest to exterminate the Jews. They never thought they'd be hung out to dry like this.
And the Palestinian people are paying for it.
Mossfern
(2,575 posts)in the Koran that people convert (revert) to Islam or die as infidels. Judaism does not proselytize, Israel has millions of people that are of other faiths and tons of atheists. This is not a religious war for Israel.
It is Hamas that wants to eradicate Israel and kill all Jews, yet you accuse Israel of committing "genocide." Palestinians would not be in the dire straights that they are if Hamas would surrender and return the hostages.
Israel has its own political housekeeping to do, but that can't happen as long as their neighbor is avowing to torture and murder them all.
TheKentuckian
(25,034 posts)You are correct that the attempt is seriously backfiring though.
If you cared about the children then you'd demand Hamas surrender and give up the hostages instead of trying to scuttle our nation.
JohnSJ
(92,482 posts)getting about 10% support.
Of course these same protesters have no problem protesting individuals on college campuses, merchants, and other places with people who don't make decisions either, but that's ok?
Autumn
(45,120 posts)Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
The Vietnam war protests were a blast.
JohnSJ
(92,482 posts)Democrats, bulling Jewish students on college campuses, and facilities owned by Jewish merchants such as this
https://abc7news.com/smitten-ice-cream-san-francisco-vandalized-pro-palestine-graffiti/13972158/
Autumn
(45,120 posts)You protest the one in power. Only here, by the same people every time do I see anti protesting sentiment. Or on any christian or re[publican FB page . Would you protest Empty Greens office to get her to vote for abortion rights? talk about a waste of time.
shrike3
(3,836 posts)AZLD4Candidate
(5,830 posts)They'd throw us in ovens happily because they hate Jews. They didn't care about Oct 7th and never will because in their ANSWER minds, the 1200 deserved it.
shrike3
(3,836 posts)I'm afraid of another "Tree of Life" situation.
I'm not Jewish, btw
AZLD4Candidate
(5,830 posts)shrike3
(3,836 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)shrike3
(3,836 posts)And making Jewish students feel uncomfortable on some campuses. You chose to ignore that part of his statement.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)and make them feel uncomfortable on some campuses too.
Mossfern
(2,575 posts)When a ceasefire was in place?
How many Muslims Americans suffered?
The anti-Israel protests began before Israel responded at all.
Somehow some people seem to ignore this.
sarisataka
(18,857 posts)And people flat out stating the victims deserved it.
Mossfern
(2,575 posts)No protests against Hamas commission of atrocities visited on Israelis during a ceasefire.
But it all the Joooos fault.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)NickB79
(19,277 posts)Why weren't YOU and the rest of the Pro-Palestinian activists protesting Hamas on 10/8? Why is it implied that were Jewish lives were not worth protesting?
Autumn
(45,120 posts)sending people to safety then bombing them caused a loss of goodwill towards them. Are Palestinians not worthy of being given food, water medical supplies and essentials?
Mossfern
(2,575 posts)Remember, for you this is about 1st amendment rights.
The protesters we're talking about were the ones harassing people trying to attend a Biden fund raiser,
shrike3
(3,836 posts)are made uncomfortable on your own campuses. At least you're honest.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)do do with the attack on Israel?
shrike3
(3,836 posts)Here are your exact words.
"I'm sure if their families were being bombed and starved they could protest Muslim students
and make them feel uncomfortable on some campuses too."
Sounds like a suggestion to me.
Mossfern
(2,575 posts)in Israel.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)Mossfern
(2,575 posts)and not with Netanyahu.
Ruining his fundraiser will not bend him to the protesters' will.
Again, the plight of Gazans is on Hamas, not Biden.
shrike3
(3,836 posts)A group out of Michigan have made it plain their goal is to deny Biden a second term. They have no worries about Trump getting back in, seem to think they'll just be able to go on and do their thing.
We had the attack against the Tree of Life synagogue during Trump's term. My concern is we might have another.
betsuni
(25,730 posts)shrike3
(3,836 posts)Though you do have the right to pursue your hobbies, I guess.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)shrike3
(3,836 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)shrike3
(3,836 posts)some cases. Gave their lives in some cases. They just didn't have a blast. foolish souls. If only they'd been white college kids .
Autumn
(45,120 posts)How do you ask a man to be the last man to die in Vietnam? How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
The people protested and marched because what they saw was wrong.
By the way, it wasn't just white college kids protesting the war.
shrike3
(3,836 posts)We had direct involvement in Vietnam. We do not in Israel. Biden is not president of Israel. U.S. funds make up 15 percent of Israel's defense budget. Netanyahu has already indicated he will fight on with or without us. Biden cannot wave a magic wand to make him stop. Your protesting will have little to no impact on what happens to the Gazans ultimately. Trump, who may win, has indicated he'd prefer to let the conflict "play out." His SIL is talking about removing the Palestinians and building waterfront condos in Gaza. If Trump gets back in, the fate of the palestinian people will be sealed. Hope you're having a blast out there.
Mossfern
(2,575 posts)and Ghandi.
Those people were not merely protesting Biden, they were harassing people entering the venue with vile insults and physical pushing. That is not a protest.
My protests of the Viet Nam war were at peace-ins.
MichMan
(12,000 posts)Some of those by the Weather Underground sure were.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)betsuni
(25,730 posts)LeftInTX
(25,677 posts)Link to tweet
?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
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Here are their presidential candidates:
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They are anti-Democratic party, pure and simple. They're using the war to get siphon votes away from Biden to Claudia de la Cruz
JustAnotherGen
(31,980 posts)Seriously. And did they get the money up front?
shrike3
(3,836 posts)Those tickets were not cheap. Where'd they get that kind of money?
lapucelle
(18,372 posts)Neville Roy Singham and his wife Jodie Evans are China propagandistsand a primary source of the fury exploding on our streets
https://www.thefp.com/p/american-marxists-funding-pro-palestinian-rage
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The Times unraveled a financial network that stretches from Chicago to Shanghai and uses American nonprofits to push Chinese talking points worldwide.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/05/world/europe/neville-roy-singham-china-propaganda.html
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https://www.intelligenceonline.com/corporate-intelligence/2022/11/11/businessman-neville-roy-singham-quietly-sponsors-an-initiative-opposing-us-assistance-to-kyiv,109863896-art
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A New Lines investigation reveals a network of charities funneling millions into left-wing platforms that take Beijings side on the genocide allegations and theyre all connected to an American tech magnate.
https://newlinesmag.com/reportage/the-big-business-of-uyghur-genocide-denial/
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"The People's Forum" is organizing and conducting anti-Israel protests across the country.
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Singham launders his funding of pro-Hamas, anti-Israel, anti-Biden "protests" through the Goldman Sachs Philanthropy Fund which distributes "charitable donations" at the direct request of donors.
The Influence Watch page on The People's Forum:
In 2019, The Peoples Forum received $12 million through the Goldman Sachs Philanthropy Fund, a donor-advised fund provider. This was not the first time the Forum received a hefty sum in this manner: it was given $4,400,000 in 2018 and $2,500,000 in 2017 through the Philanthropy Fund.
https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/the-peoples-forum/
JustAnotherGen
(31,980 posts)You bring the receipts! I will read through these today.
lapucelle
(18,372 posts)and Nancy has their number.
An activist affiliated with the anti-war group Code Pink is facing felony charges for causing damage around Speaker Emerita Nancy Pelosis San Francisco residence during a Feb. 11 demonstration.
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Last month, Code Pink circulated a video showing Pelosi telling a Code Pink protester, Go back to China, where your headquarters is.
Pelosi was referring to a New York Times investigation that revealed extensive ties between Code Pinks co-founder, Jodie Evans, and groups promoting the agenda of the Chinese Communist Party.
That exchange took place on Oct. 29, coinciding with the one-year anniversary of the attack on Pelosis husband, Paul Pelosi, which left him hospitalized with severe injuries. The attacker, David DePape, told investigators he sought to hold Nancy Pelosi hostage.
https://sfstandard.com/2024/02/16/nancy-pelosi-cease-fire-protests-san-francisco-code-pink/
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According to a Code Pink blog post, the purpose of the October 29 protest was to "briefly hold Pelosi hostage."
A Code Pink spokesperson called the timing of the action to hold Speaker Emerita Pelosi hostage -- the one year anniversary of the hammer assault on Paul Pelosi by an assailant seeking to hold Nancy Pelosi hostage -- was an "unfortunate coincidence".
https://sfstandard.com/2024/02/16/nancy-pelosi-cease-fire-protests-san-francisco-code-pink/
JustAnotherGen
(31,980 posts)How very far down code pink has fallen since the beginning of the Iraq War.
lapucelle
(18,372 posts)It was also a working event. The invitation described a panel discussion called The Future of the Left.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/05/world/europe/neville-roy-singham-china-propaganda.html
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It's a cozy little circle, with Goodman's hyper-lucrative, third-party-amplifying "news" outlet stoking pro-terrorist, anti-Israel, anti-US messaging.
Turbineguy
(37,386 posts)H2O Man
(73,655 posts)Citizens exercising Amendment 1 peacefully is a good thing -- even if we disagree with them.
shrike3
(3,836 posts)With the attacks we've had on Jewish-owned businesses, individuals and synagogues in recent years, I'm surprised no one brings that up.
Saw footage of a board meeting on the West Coast, and some of the rhetoric was anti-Jewish, not just anti-Israel. Granted, it was only one meeting.
Exactly why I wrote "peaceful." The rise of anti-Semitism is alarming, and unacceptable. Yet we have to be careful not to lump the majority of those protesting what Israel is doing in Gaza, with the few with moral rabies. One can support Israel and be horrified at what their current leader is doing -- Senator Chuck Schumer, being an obvious example.
shrike3
(3,836 posts)It was just one event, a municipal meeting on the West Coast. Full of protestors, some of whom made anti-semitic slurs. Not anti-Israel, anti-semitic. Hopefully, people in the movement will call out protestors who go there. It could get ugly real fast.
H2O Man
(73,655 posts)brain-dead shitheads at these protests, and the media always focuses on the unhinged. (Anti-Semitism that is domestic is definitely using the horrors in Gaza to try to spread their poison message.) In this case, it might help those organizing such events to keep them from participating. Here on the East Coast, I know quite a few young people who participate in such events ..... including large ones, that are peaceful.
B.See
(1,333 posts)NO! They WON'T. Because they don't bother to protest against Trump or MAGAS who they KNOW don't give a flying fk about them. They just save that for Democrats.
shrike3
(3,836 posts)They think they'll be just fine under Trump.
B.See
(1,333 posts)...Gaza beachfront property.
shrike3
(3,836 posts)People like those in Michigan are frankly delusional.
LeftInTX
(25,677 posts)Including the mayor of Dearborn who was a Democrat in the Michigan legislature. You also have congresswomen Rashida Tlaib
tritsofme
(17,420 posts)LeftInTX
(25,677 posts)Hekate
(90,927 posts)Biden wont order that protestors be shot. But it is sooooo important that we hound Dems off the stage by howling Genocide Joe.
Will the same ones show up at CPAC or RNC?
Yeah, no.
shrike3
(3,836 posts)Hekate
(90,927 posts)
or round them up and send them to concentration camps (he was just joshing when he said that, and besides it is awful to take comments out of context) , and of course, he would never have protestors shot in the legs like he said that one time.
Blissfully moronic.
AZLD4Candidate
(5,830 posts)These are astro-turf ANSWER people.
Cha
(297,887 posts)protest them then?
And, still Attack Jewish Students and Businesses?:
Hekate
(90,927 posts)dalton99a
(81,656 posts)betsuni
(25,730 posts)I just saw a panel discussion from last year: in 1968 the issue against Johnson was the war in Vietnam and he didn't run for reelection. Question: what issue could be used against Biden in 2024? Most said age, but now it seems that "Genocide Joe" is a more useful attack against him for the time being. Some people are trying hard to turn the I/P situation into Vietnam/Iraq to depress the Democratic vote for whatever reason (helping Republicans or some weird emotional lust to punish Democrats).
617Blue
(1,282 posts)librechik
(30,678 posts)Last edited Fri Mar 29, 2024, 04:01 PM - Edit history (1)
are IMO the three smartest people in leadership anywhere, any time. If any one can solve this demonic clusterfuck in Gaza, they can!
JustAnotherGen
(31,980 posts)They only wish to attack the Democratic Party. They know they would catch hell if they did something like this at a GOP Fundraiser.
DFW
(54,465 posts)A lot of the far left faded away when East Germany faded away, as their financial backing came almost exclusively from the real existing socialism.
Takket
(21,657 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,537 posts)AllaN01Bear
(18,618 posts)Eko
(7,389 posts)Protesting the republicans would be useless, not only do they not care they cant get anything done anyways. Except for tax cuts and taking away peoples rights.
JohnSJ
(92,482 posts)that logic, why wouldnt they protest at republican gatherings?
They seem to have no problem protesting on college campuses, and harassing and bullying Jewish students on the campuses
I suggest they are not looking for change, they are looking for attention, since Since they wont vote for Biden, and I assume they wont vote for Trump either, though ironically they might actually help Trump like what happened in 2016.
Eko
(7,389 posts)Think that the republicans first, care and second, are even capable of doing something about it if they did?
JohnSJ
(92,482 posts)serves to get attention, and in that case whether Democrat or republican, it would serve that protest.
Eko
(7,389 posts)That they wont vote for him. Every protest is about getting attention. Lets just for the argument say that you are a Democrat and dont like Bidens position on Gaza, who is president and holds a lot of sway over US policies, would you protest the republicans or the Democrats?
JohnSJ
(92,482 posts)Eko
(7,389 posts)Once again Lets just for the argument say that you are a Democrat and dont like Bidens position on Gaza, who is president and holds a lot of sway over US policies, would you protest the republicans or the Democrats?
Mossfern
(2,575 posts)I would send a letter explaining my concerns, but I would certainly not publicly protest the candidate I hope will win. That would be self defeating.
Eko
(7,389 posts)I never said nor alluded that you werent. If you felt like that then I apologize. I just feel like you wont look at it from any other point of view except yours. There are Israelis, Jewish Rabbis that are against the war and are protesting. If there can be that can there not also be Democrats against the war and protesting? Right or wrong?
Mossfern
(2,575 posts)that protesting be postponed until President Biden is successful in his reelection bid. Hopefully he will win and I won't complain one tiny bit about protesters calling for a ceasefire or whatever, whether I agree with the protestors or not.
This particular demonstration could not only be damaging to his campaign, but will not change Netanyahu's mind.
Netanyahu wants Trump to win and these protesters are playing right into his hands.
Eko
(7,389 posts)But that is just what I think. I have been here for a bit and one thing Ive learned is that there are all kinds of Democrats. Some anti war ones that would undoubtedly protest a war that our president is helping to supply. Nothing wrong with that at all. Shoot, I think John Kerry when he was young may have protested this. There is a lot to this, its not anywhere close to black and white. For all I know you could be Jewish and one of your family members could have been killed there or I could be Palestinian and one of mine could have. We could both be Democrats and be 100% opposite on this. But we cant devolve to where we are using the no true Scotsman fallacy. Like I said, Im with you. After the election would be way better, but Im not them.
maxrandb
(15,372 posts)tell the crowd to "knock the shit out of them", or offer to pay the crowds legal bills if they were charged with assaulting the protesters?
Asking for a friend.
Bucky
(54,087 posts)Innocent civilians are being slaughtered by one of our closest allies. Why would you have a problem with people speaking out against that?
lapucelle
(18,372 posts)gulliver
(13,197 posts)It's classic psychology.