is funding some of the protests.

Shining the Light!

"Pro-Hamas" funding protestors.

Anything goes with those folks. Interesting, but predictable.

Thx for the dose of reality, lapucelle!

Yet their political energies never go towards the Party that will move the entire conversation to the right.

...I suggest we try to cool the self-imposed intra-party division and bickering until the November elections are over.

...what the percentage of anti-war protesters is that are registered Democrats, but I do know that anti-war sentiment is a vastly Left-leaning mindset.

As I said elsewhere, I've now seen multiple instance of protestor having an opportunity to engage with Democratic elected offcicials and choosing instead to scream their slogans over whatever the Democrat was saying.

...that when it comes down to Left v. right (Democratic v. republican) in November, we will need all the Left votes we can get to show up.

Alienating any hopeful Left votes now is just not a good strategy.

They don't care about solutions. They just want to be seen.

They want to feel that they are morally superior so they can pass judgment on everyone else. They say they are voting their conscience but really they are voting their ego.

They fake former (read: nonexistent) support for Democrats, but they're against the mainstream left because Democrats are not anti-Western.

...but I'm pretty sure when election days come, the Left votes Blue and the right votes red.

and attacking innocent people with their attacks on ships . And they accuse Biden and random Jewish people of genocide .

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agreeing with you ...... years ago, a large group of very vocal, mean, and nasty protesting human beings surrounded Governor Mario Cuomo at a local airport. They were speaking in loud voices that by definition could be deemed yelling or shouting, without allowing him to answer in a meaningful way. Being younger and stronger back then, I made my way up to him. There, I spoke to him in a friendly and respectful way, about pretty much the same issue the angry crowd had been screaming about.

For some reason, the crowd became quiet enough that most people could hear our conversation. Then we shook hands, and off he went. As I turned to leave, some of that very crowd of angry citizens said rude things to and about me. That was a bit of odd, considering that most of them were Democrats or members of the Democratic Left. I had recently moved to that county, and few knew me yet.

The next time I saw Governor Cuomo, it was he who made his way through a crowd -- this time friendly -- to again shake my hand, and tell me that he appreciated what I had done at the airport. He said it was "brave." (I hadn't considered it to be such a thing, as there was only about 100 of them, and though I was retired from the ring, I could still do a fuck of a lot of damage, fast.) We talked for a bit, and he told me how to get a letter directly to him.

In the following year, Chief Waterman and I met in Governor Cuomo's office to discuss burial protection & repatriation issues. A bit later, his attorney called me at the mental health clinic where I was employed. The governor was planning to create an Office of Indian Affairs, and they wanted me to come to Albany to discuss a job offer. I thanked him, but said no thanks.

Because this comes too close to agreeing with you for comfort, I'll say that I wish that good people exercising Amendment 1 would study Dr. King. A silent "prayer-in" would speak louder than shouting. And due to my feeling that this comes too close to agreeing with you for comfort, I'll stick another donation to AOC and Ilhan in the mail today.

...kinda like being pro-"ultra-rightwing" netanyahu (Hillary Clinton's words).

Israel has 20 percent Muslims. So no , it's not the same as Nentanyahu .

I was responding to your post about being pro-rightwing.

Thanks for your Participation in this Thread! Priceless!

They are not Democrats.

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...all a group from a different political party.

I guess it's no different than if it were a bunch of republicans crashing a Democratic party fundraiser.

But I really don't think that none of all pro-Palestine protesters are Democrats, in fact I personally know Democrats who have protested for Palestine.

It's one thing to protest, but "shouting Genocide Joe" and protesting at Democratic Party events are clearly attempts to undermine the election of Democratic candidates.

...so of course they are in opposition to the Democratic party.

People think they're just protesters, but if you look at their signs, it will say "Party for Socialism and Liberation".

...if they belong to a different party and therefore can't be threatening to take away Democratic votes from him.

That's their goal.

See for example the uncommitted votes in the Michigan primary.

They sure aren't helping.

....other than what they might be reading here.

Why don't they ever show up to protest Republicans?

...but I know a lot of people here on DU are against both the left and the right, so I imagine there are other people who can multi-task too.

As for people on DU being "against both the left and the right", folks here are pro-Democratic Party. Democrats don't take kindly to slurring President Biden as "Genocide Joe" or accusing AOC of being a "Booster for Genocide Joe".

....here on DU.

I’m sure you can find a post amidst your concern trolling.

Have you never read a post denigrating the right, and then another from the same poster denigrating Progressives?

But you could certainly share one if you are so concerned.

....some of which vilify the rightwing and some the leftwing.

Democrats or votes against Biden administration policies, wherever they come from, are not welcome.

If you'd give examples of supposed "different posts from the same posters ... some of which vilify the rightwing and some the leftwing" -- just paraphrasing without names or linking -- it would be clearer what you mean about DUers, Democrats ... *whispers* centrists ... third way ... conservadems ... wealthy elites ... centrists ...

What a weird post defending these assholes.

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...and I don't know or speak to any of these losers other than what they might read here on DU.

You've not said one critical thing about how these people reacted last night and instead decided to criticize those who called em out.

BuT iM nOt DeFeNdInG tHeM

lmao

...does that mean I am automatically defending any and all of your positions?

You're defending their actions by suggesting they shouldn't be criticized for the vile things they did at that event last night. It's that simple.

If you came on here and told us all we should "cool" our attacks on Trump, yes I'd take that as defending him.

Being passive to these idiots is absolutely defending their actions.

Look up passive defending.

...my post said we should cool down on the divisive rhetoric within the Left.

Please stop saying I said things that I did not say.

They didn't even attack the protesters - just thanked 'em.

I don't see the need to cozy up and defend people who call women kikes for attending a Biden rally.

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Show me in the post where it's all that divisive?

I just find it funny you put more energy into defending people who call Democrats kikes than you do admitting these people are probably not worthy of our support. Maybe you agree with them?

...I think it is very clear that the OP is divisive.

Second... I haven't defended anybody.

Third... Neither the OP nor I even allude to anyone calling anyone else anything.

Please stop falsely accusing me of things I did not do.

...or call his supporters kikes. The fact you continue to defend their action speaks volumes.

Nothing in the OP was divisive. You know what is? Attacking Biden supporters trying to peacefully go to an event with slurs and misogynistic language. That's far more divisive than making a joke about these clearly non-Biden supporters who have no problem slinging awful slurs at Biden.

But keep defending that.

I've asked you to stop.

I'm only replying to you.

and tolerate racism, misogyny, anti-immigration, etc. just because and election is coming. I won't even tolerate antisemitism.

I am not the one threatening to take my ball and let Trump win the election. I will vote for Biden despite any differences I may have with him. Perhaps you should direct your advice to "cool" to those who are willing to put the country at risk if they don't get their way.

Many of us here have been anti-war protesters in previous wars. This is confusing to me.
Is the First Amendment not operative any more?

And when did DU became so anti-protestors?

Do we support GOP protesters at Biden event? Why should we support Party of Socialism and Liberation's presidential candidate, Claudia de la Cruz at Biden's event?

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They were well behaved compared to the Socialism and Liberation party.

The Constitution is still in effect, thank god

People still have the right to protest even when you disagree with their cause.
In fact the more you disagree, the more important is the protection.

Do you support the "Genocide Joe" people? People who support Putin and want to undermine the election?

and the right to protest. Isn't that why we are dedicated to supporting and electing
Democrats to protect our Constitutional Rights.

The protestors in question refuse to actually engage with their targets. I've seen t personally.

at the Chicago Democratic Convention or on the college campuses either.

The point of protests are to be disruptive.

And why did you turn away?

Then I shut down.

and woke a lot of people up to failure of the Viet Nam War.

People have the right to protest; do you agree.

and are not threatening to campaign against Biden or stay home I would have no issue with them

"I'd like to thank all the Gaza protesters...

…who apparently contributed $5-10,000 to the Biden-Harris campaign to buy tickets for the “Three Presidents” event so they could interrupt President Bide talking about Israel-Gaza to rant incoherently.

That describes people protesting the war in Gaza.

I don't know what is you are responding to.

You were responding to a poster.

And even if you were responding to the OP, it makes no mention of anti-war protestors as your highlights so helpfully illustrate.

It was President Biden who was "talking about Israel-Gaza" and the protestors who were "ranting incoherently".

...linked to what they are responding to, right?

If so, you can see that my post was in direct response to the OP.

and pretend it is the post I originally made, to be a bad faith move on your part.

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...those are not the people we are specifically discussing, as presented in the OP.

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...we might as well change our name to "the republican party".

and Businesses can Go to Hell.

they are no different than the MAGA types who wish for the complete destruction of America and the Democratic Party.

even begin to offset the damage they seek to cause.

Fuck the Hamas Superfriends.

what is happening in Gaza. Like it or not, those protestors are having an effect. And not just on public opinion, but on the Biden administration policy, too.

Probably within the margin of error.

And it's more due to the news they read not a bunch of loud mouth antisemitic virtue signalers,

At this point, I question anyone who is still supporting the killing of over 14000 children
and starving a million kids. And so does most of the world. Protesting these war crimes
is an act of courage.

Thank George Porgie Soros. He funds both sides...