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edhopper

(33,584 posts) Fri Mar 29, 2024, 09:10 AM Mar 29

The best discription of Joe Lieberman I have read

From Duncan Black, aka Atrios.

Joe Lieberman Is Dead
I make exceptions for the young, usually, but if you make it to 80+ you got the full trip and had plenty of chances to express regrets, or not, so I feel no problem with assessing the life of people who were quite proud of themselves.

He was a bad and dishonest person who delighted in making other people suffer for petty or grotesque reasons, all while basking the glow of praise from a political press who treated him as The Last Good Man In Washington.

Embrace being bad, don't wrap it in sanctimonious smug and demand people you deserve it.

The reaction of Official Washington to someone daring to offer a primary challenge to him was extremely telling. They loved their Joe.

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The best discription of Joe Lieberman I have read (Original Post) edhopper Mar 29 OP

He always struck me as polite, dead-eyed and souless. marble falls Mar 29 #1

The insurance companies, the credit card companies, and ghe pharmaceutical companies,... magicarpet Mar 29 #2

Lieberman: a corrupt and craven piece of crap who did Sky Jewels Mar 29 #3

There's a pretty annoying piece from Jon V. Last on The Bulwark about Holy Joe 617Blue Mar 29 #4

Loserman died from a fall. Who pushed him? Hassler Mar 29 #5

He jumped. Aristus Mar 29 #6

Ned Lamont who primaried JL is now the Gov of Connecticut. Cha Mar 29 #7

I Will Go To My Grave Believing He Cost Al Gore The Presidency ChoppinBroccoli Mar 29 #8

He did not help edhopper Mar 30 #10

Interesting Bucky Mar 30 #14

The difference between a Gore Presidency and the Bush one edhopper Mar 30 #15

But Consider This...... ChoppinBroccoli Mar 30 #16

I would take the trade off edhopper Mar 31 #18

I've nothing good to say.nt oasis Mar 30 #9

I do MurrayDelph Mar 30 #11

Is it telling that, despite dying from a suspicious fall... Bucky Mar 30 #12

Well edhopper Mar 30 #13

ouch! BlueWaveNeverEnd Mar 31 #17

marble falls

(57,102 posts)

1. He always struck me as polite, dead-eyed and souless.

Reply to edhopper (Original post)

Fri Mar 29, 2024, 09:17 AM

Mar 29

magicarpet

(14,155 posts)

2. The insurance companies, the credit card companies, and ghe pharmaceutical companies,...

Reply to edhopper (Original post)

Fri Mar 29, 2024, 09:42 AM

Mar 29

.... and their lobbyists just loved him to no end.

Lieberman was a Democratic Party turncoat who was vindictive if things did not go his way.

Sky Jewels

(7,111 posts)

3. Lieberman: a corrupt and craven piece of crap who did

Reply to edhopper (Original post)

Fri Mar 29, 2024, 10:36 AM

Mar 29

untold harm to this country and the world. He won’t be missed.

617Blue

(1,279 posts)

4. There's a pretty annoying piece from Jon V. Last on The Bulwark about Holy Joe

Reply to edhopper (Original post)

Fri Mar 29, 2024, 10:49 AM

Mar 29

I like JVL and he truly is a Biden admirer but his piece on The Bulwark about how poor Holy Joe was abandoned by the Dems yadda yadda is nauseating. At some point Holy Joe decided that owning the libs was his mission in life. There was no principal behind his politics. He was a Jew working in the service of a Republican Party whose base consists of literal Nazis. Lieberman wasn't stupid, he knew what he was doing.

https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/why-do-all-the-roads-of-crazy-town

Hassler

(3,379 posts)

5. Loserman died from a fall. Who pushed him?

Reply to edhopper (Original post)

Fri Mar 29, 2024, 07:46 PM

Mar 29

Aristus

(66,381 posts)

6. He jumped.

Reply to Hassler (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 29, 2024, 07:50 PM

Mar 29

Years ago. He just landed.

Cha

(297,287 posts)

7. Ned Lamont who primaried JL is now the Gov of Connecticut.

Reply to edhopper (Original post)

Fri Mar 29, 2024, 09:02 PM

Mar 29

I just googled and there are headlines saying "Lieberman was remembered as a man of integrity and conviction"".

I rarely do this but

ChoppinBroccoli

(3,784 posts)

8. I Will Go To My Grave Believing He Cost Al Gore The Presidency

Reply to edhopper (Original post)

Fri Mar 29, 2024, 11:54 PM

Mar 29

I believe a better choice of running mate would have given Gore an insurmountable lead, and kept the Supreme Court out of it altogether. I always believed Gephardt would have been the better choice. He would have delivered the labor/union vote, and possibly won him Missouri. I also believe anti-semitism played a part in it too.

edhopper

(33,584 posts)

10. He did not help

Reply to ChoppinBroccoli (Reply #8)

Sat Mar 30, 2024, 09:49 AM

Mar 30

not one bit. I did not think at the time, and still do not, that Clinton's behavior was a weight on Gore. Leiberman was a sheild Gore did not need.

Bucky

(54,020 posts)

14. Interesting

Reply to edhopper (Reply #10)

Sat Mar 30, 2024, 11:14 AM

Mar 30

If you look at the numbers, Al Gore might have won the electoral college if he'd gone with Jean Shaheen (who was on the short list) as his VP candidate. Or Mary Landrieu or Douglas Wilder.

Of course we'd be living in a very different world now, since Gore probably wouldn't have dropped the ball on 9/11 warnings, just like Clinton didn't on the warnings for the millennial plot, which put our security forces on high alert, which led to the arrest on the Canadian border. Different Supreme Court too.

Damn, Lieberman was a curse.

edhopper

(33,584 posts)

15. The difference between a Gore Presidency and the Bush one

Reply to Bucky (Reply #14)

Sat Mar 30, 2024, 03:31 PM

Mar 30

could never be underestimated. A completely different country. Just as Hilary and TSF.

ChoppinBroccoli

(3,784 posts)

16. But Consider This......

Reply to edhopper (Reply #15)

Sat Mar 30, 2024, 11:25 PM

Mar 30

Without the disaster that was the George W. Bush term, do we get an Obama Presidency? Eventually, I'm sure (he was too good to keep out of the White House), but probably not as early as 2008. So if you're looking for a silver lining.

Just like if Hillary had defeated Trump in 2016, Joe Biden probably would have never become President. And his first term has been one of the most consequential Presidencies of my lifetime.

edhopper

(33,584 posts)

18. I would take the trade off

Reply to ChoppinBroccoli (Reply #16)

Sun Mar 31, 2024, 10:47 AM

Mar 31

no Bush, no 9/11, no Iraq War, no Afghanistan, better response to Katrina, no Economic collapse caused by no regulation of financial industry. Outside of the ACA, most of Obama's term was fixing what Bush broke.
And no Trump...the list is too long.