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Goodheart

(5,334 posts)
Sun Apr 7, 2024, 11:31 PM Apr 7

The events that made you realize America is f'ing stupid?

Well, make that "Americans" are f'ing stupid. America as a country is a grand experiment, the greatest government concept in the history of the world. But many Americans don't deserve to live here.

I'm 70 years old... can't really recall the exact moment when I became so cynical... maybe it was inside a church, I don't recall....

But without question the two biggest AMERICANS ARE FUCKING STUPID ALMOST TO THE POINT OF EVIL events I know are:

- Sandy Hook and DOING NOTHING ABOUT IT.
- The election of a fat, ugly, moronic racist rapist to the presidency.

And it really tells you something when Uvalde can't make the top two.





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The events that made you realize America is f'ing stupid? (Original Post) Goodheart Apr 7 OP
When we invaded Iraq because of 9-11 Johonny Apr 7 #1
I almost replied with "good one" when I caught myself. That wasn't good at all, was it? Goodheart Apr 7 #4
The neocons were intent on invading Iraq before 9-11 Martin Eden Apr 8 #33
Killed off thousands of their professionals malaise Apr 8 #38
Nest time the Saudis attack us, we will probably invade Canada. Chainfire Apr 8 #50
Next Rebl2 Apr 8 #59
No, nest! ;) Chainfire Apr 8 #66
My top two would be electing tRumpf and Reagan..... lastlib Apr 7 #2
I felt America was failing when a grade B actor actually became president. chouchou Apr 7 #3
Honestly, that one didn't bother me all that much. Goodheart Apr 7 #5
My problem was Reagan was that, he was just going to hang from many a strings.. chouchou Apr 7 #7
Reagan was a piece of SHIT Skittles Apr 8 #30
I agree. He conned blue collar workers with his pseudo patriotism and race baiting Martin Eden Apr 8 #36
Zelensky had actual talent as an entertainer NanaCat Apr 9 #83
His wife consulted astrologists Johonny Apr 7 #8
Some of those things, though, didn't become apparent until after he was elected. Goodheart Apr 8 #10
Nearly all of them were known before he was elected NanaCat Apr 9 #84
He had a congress that allowed that. He didn't do it by himself. jimfields33 Apr 8 #16
He was close friends with the Speaker, Tip O'Neill Polybius Apr 8 #71
I don't mind anybody being friends, jimfields33 Apr 8 #73
Often it doesn't now. raccoon Apr 9 #82
You are so right , when will the truth ever arthritisR_US Apr 8 #20
I HATED those years. MuseRider Apr 8 #49
Jim & Tammy Faye Bakker ECLIPSING the Iran-Contra affair in the news JoseBalow Apr 7 #6
The takeaway from Waco. Martyring what I considered to be a child rape cult. The 9/11 response. Letting it turn brewens Apr 7 #9
Something really bugged me today on Sirius XM radio Goodheart Apr 8 #11
I think that Michael Smerconish is wrong 100 percent of the time Bristlecone Apr 8 #14
tRump MiniMe Apr 8 #12
Absolutely...and we've had some real losers like Reagan and W Bush. brush Apr 8 #18
Had my suspicions w Nixon in 68 and 72 edhopper Apr 8 #13
1. Brooks Brothers rioters validated by the Supreme Court appointing Bush 2. Bush re-elected meadowlander Apr 8 #15
Aids and the war on drugs RANDYWILDMAN Apr 8 #17
Spot on - from the most intelligent, compassionate Bundbuster Apr 9 #90
Slavery and the wars on Native Americans Kaleva Apr 8 #19
It's always been stupid. Being stupid is an American tendency, can't help it. betsuni Apr 8 #21
We don't have a monopoly on stupid (I live in Germany), and I could never limit our stupidity to two events: DFW Apr 8 #22
Excellent list. Each culture has its own different stupidity tendencies. betsuni Apr 8 #23
So very true DFW Apr 8 #24
It's like other animals. Some species have excellent eyesight or smell or strength but are stupid about other things. betsuni Apr 8 #31
I still have a copy of that book malaise Apr 8 #39
Wow! Now, I am REALLY impressed. Not too many people remember it. DFW Apr 8 #40
The cynical one malaise Apr 8 #43
Have you read Nixon Agonistes? thucythucy Apr 8 #51
No, but it sounds like worth looking into, thanks! n/t DFW Apr 8 #57
There's an excellent chapter thucythucy Apr 8 #65
Agnew was one nasty piece of work. DFW Apr 8 #72
I was visiting a friend in Syracuse the night Agnew quit. She had good artistic talents. We made a caricature of Nixon NBachers Apr 9 #79
I think I always sensed it but I had a real Aha! Moment PCIntern Apr 8 #25
An Independent is "a Republican with no guts to admit it." Beartracks Apr 8 #35
A third of California voters are independents.... Xolodno Apr 9 #80
Yeah... PCIntern Apr 9 #86
2001-2003 nt. RandiFan1290 Apr 8 #26
America is simply too divided with no hope of ever truly being the nation is could be. elocs Apr 8 #27
the election of Reagan Skittles Apr 8 #28
100%. Jimmy Carter told Americans the truth. Yavin4 Apr 8 #45
A poll which showed a high percentage of Americans thought they were in top 10 percent JI7 Apr 8 #29
Of course... Mike Nelson Apr 8 #32
And due to right wing propaganda... Wuddles440 Apr 8 #47
TSF being elected BigMin28 Apr 8 #34
As an observant foreigner malaise Apr 8 #37
The USA is a charade John Shaft Apr 8 #41
Freedom Fries was when I realize a shark had been jumped. Torchlight Apr 8 #42
Ronald Reagan's election in 1980. Yavin4 Apr 8 #44
Nixon's election Gruenemann Apr 8 #46
Founding itself as a white supremacist nation. Once Reconstruction was scuttled, it was all over. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 8 #48
To be clear, I have always voted (Democratic) in Presidential elections since reaching 18 years old. Niagara Apr 8 #52
Not killing the Electoral College Freddie Apr 8 #53
The elections of Nixon, Reagan and -worst of all - Djt. Jrose Apr 8 #54
Somewhere @ age 14, I ate a piece of meat on a Friday and I didn't wake up in rurallib Apr 8 #55
2004 election Johnny2X2X Apr 8 #56
We're not stupid or evil. dawg Apr 8 #58
Whichever hag it was who called George W. Bush a "freeeeeeeekin' geeeeeeeeeeeeniuuuuuuus!!!" Aristus Apr 8 #60
I was convinced when G Dumbya Bush got a second term. lpbk2713 Apr 8 #70
Reagan's election. Sky Jewels Apr 8 #61
49 states worth. Incredible. jimfields33 Apr 8 #74
Funny you used the adjective "fat" vapor2 Apr 8 #62
I was never under any illusion it was not, so I never had to disabuse myself of the agitprop of American exceptionalism Celerity Apr 8 #63
The 'Satanic Daycare' times. OldBaldy1701E Apr 8 #64
When you advise people not to look directly at the sun during an eclispe maxrandb Apr 8 #67
Electing a known con artist, grifter and lying cheat who couldn't pay his bills because he had no real wealth lees1975 Apr 8 #68
Well, I think every country has roughly the same amount of idiots. Elessar Zappa Apr 8 #69
That's easy LiberaBlueDem Apr 8 #75
When Nixon ran a 49-1 table in 72. OAITW r.2.0 Apr 8 #76
Still a teenager, but Georgia rubes elected a white supremacist Gubnor with an 8th grade education and Silent Type Apr 8 #77
As a Texan, I have to say George W Bush election as Governor and then POTUS walkingman Apr 9 #78
I could write a novel.... Xolodno Apr 9 #81
1967 NanaCat Apr 9 #85
The election of Reagan and the rise of Oprah GoneOffShore Apr 9 #87
Starting in 1972 Bundbuster Apr 9 #88
The Republican slandering of John Kerry ificandream Apr 9 #89

Johonny

(20,861 posts)
1. When we invaded Iraq because of 9-11
Sun Apr 7, 2024, 11:36 PM
Apr 7

When it was really hard to link Iraq to anything remotely related to 9-11. Yet America cheered the complete pointless destruction of that country.

Goodheart

(5,334 posts)
4. I almost replied with "good one" when I caught myself. That wasn't good at all, was it?
Sun Apr 7, 2024, 11:42 PM
Apr 7

It's a funny thing... I felt the urge to comment on the stupidity of Americans when I just watched a video of Adam Lambert singing "Believe" to Cher at the Kennedy Center and thought to myself "how in the world did this man NOT win American Idol?" LOL

Martin Eden

(12,873 posts)
33. The neocons were intent on invading Iraq before 9-11
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 06:40 AM
Apr 8

That attack provided them with "a new Pearl Harbor" to launch their Project for the New American Century, using America's unchallenged military might to forcibly change regimes into our sphere of control (including their great oil wealth).

After no WMD was found in Iraq (here at DU we knew Bush/Cheney were lying through their teeth) and the occupation had turned into a costly quagmire, American voters proved their stupidity by giving GW Bush another term.

malaise

(269,096 posts)
38. Killed off thousands of their professionals
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 06:51 AM
Apr 8

Destroyed their universities and much more - fucking evil and still no consequences

lastlib

(23,254 posts)
2. My top two would be electing tRumpf and Reagan.....
Sun Apr 7, 2024, 11:36 PM
Apr 7

GWB is a close third.
Columbine and Sandy Hook would have to be next.

chouchou

(637 posts)
3. I felt America was failing when a grade B actor actually became president.
Sun Apr 7, 2024, 11:42 PM
Apr 7

It fell even worse when his wife made up ridiculous surface-bullshit like: Just say No
...and worse when some people thought "Oh..that makes real sense"
Right down the tube..

Goodheart

(5,334 posts)
5. Honestly, that one didn't bother me all that much.
Sun Apr 7, 2024, 11:46 PM
Apr 7

Not that I was a fan, but I really think grade B actors are entitled to the Presidency. Hell, Ukraine seems to have a mighty good one. I was MUCH more upset when GWB was elected. How could we promote a low IQ fellow like that to the same office as Madison and Jefferson?


chouchou

(637 posts)
7. My problem was Reagan was that, he was just going to hang from many a strings..
Sun Apr 7, 2024, 11:53 PM
Apr 7

..controlled by the Rich puppet masters.
I do remember saying "Well, we can kiss any minimum wage increase for many years"
Unfortunately, I was correct.

Skittles

(153,169 posts)
30. Reagan was a piece of SHIT
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 05:40 AM
Apr 8

Reagan made greed and idiocy fashionable, and America as NEVER truly recovered

Reagan paved the way for all the repuke lunacy that followed

Martin Eden

(12,873 posts)
36. I agree. He conned blue collar workers with his pseudo patriotism and race baiting
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 06:45 AM
Apr 8

While steadily transferring wealth from hardworking Americans to the One Percent.

Johonny

(20,861 posts)
8. His wife consulted astrologists
Sun Apr 7, 2024, 11:58 PM
Apr 7

And the media acted like that was normal. He ran on welfare queens in Cadillacs and the media acted like that was a real thing. He cut the upper tax rate and taxed social security and the medi talked about how great the stock market was . . .

We stood around and did nothing as Aids killed thousands of gay men. Indeed we made gay men the boogeyman. And Reagan did nothing . . .

Goodheart

(5,334 posts)
10. Some of those things, though, didn't become apparent until after he was elected.
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 12:03 AM
Apr 8

And the economy under Carter was a bit dismal. So, I could at least understand his support and victory. There is NO understanding trump support except that he appeals to white supremacists.

NanaCat

(1,187 posts)
84. Nearly all of them were known before he was elected
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 08:16 AM
Apr 9

Plenty of people knew before he was elected that his wife was into astrology (it wasn't a secret, you know). We knew how stupid it would be to cute the upper tax rate and tax Social Security--and we were proved right. In real time. We knew what a bigoted wanker he was, too.

The only reason we didn't know how he would respond to the AIDS crisis was because, gee, the scope of the spread of it wasn't known when he ran for office. If we had known in 1979, the chances are very close to 1:1 that he would have said something stupid and hateful about it on the campaign trail. If he said anything at all. And we had plenty of reason to believe he'd blow it off. He'd already proved without a shadow of a doubt that anything that related to people he hated didn't matter to him--if he didn't actively punch down to make things worse.

That's who he was, and those of us paying attention in 1980 knew that. We knew what a disaster he'd be as POTUS. Why didn't you see it?

Polybius

(15,461 posts)
71. He was close friends with the Speaker, Tip O'Neill
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 12:41 PM
Apr 8

So close that they had beers together. You can say that's a good thing, compared to today. But it can also be viewed as a bad thing.

jimfields33

(15,859 posts)
73. I don't mind anybody being friends,
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 01:01 PM
Apr 8

But job of looking out for the people should come first. Often it didn’t back then.

MuseRider

(34,112 posts)
49. I HATED those years.
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 09:57 AM
Apr 8

I wondered "how could we?" and now I know that we can and we will whenever we get a good chance. I think of him as an equal to Trump. They are different but both so secretly malicious (secretly to some anyway) and they got away with it. We just let it go. SO really, while "we" all knew what was happening most did not and fell for the theater of each of them. That is really all it takes. You could have an IQ in the, "knock knock anyone home" range and get elected if you create a great story, even if we all know it is bull.

JoseBalow

(2,404 posts)
6. Jim & Tammy Faye Bakker ECLIPSING the Iran-Contra affair in the news
Sun Apr 7, 2024, 11:50 PM
Apr 7

That's when I realized that I was hopelessly surrounded by morons.

brewens

(13,603 posts)
9. The takeaway from Waco. Martyring what I considered to be a child rape cult. The 9/11 response. Letting it turn
Sun Apr 7, 2024, 11:59 PM
Apr 7

into a giant flag hump fest as if it was good Bush and his people dropped the ball and let us get hit. Then the two illegal wars that followed because of all that. We should have been in the streets running that crap out of office.

The poutrage over the ACA. About everything to do with Trump.

Goodheart

(5,334 posts)
11. Something really bugged me today on Sirius XM radio
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 12:06 AM
Apr 8

I was listening to Michael Smerconish on the POTUS channel and he was talking about how UNITED we Americans actually are. We all believe in freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, the right to privacy, etc. he said.

But I was yelling at the radio "but we DON'T agree on what any of that MEANS, you bald knucklehead."

Bristlecone

(10,130 posts)
14. I think that Michael Smerconish is wrong 100 percent of the time
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 12:30 AM
Apr 8

He is always trying to spin the opposite of reality. For clicks or eyeballs or just to be a contrarian.

His ego tells him he’s being clever and interesting. He’s not.

meadowlander

(4,399 posts)
15. 1. Brooks Brothers rioters validated by the Supreme Court appointing Bush 2. Bush re-elected
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 12:31 AM
Apr 8

Probably dates me but those were the two events that convinced me 1. the fix is in and 2. there probably aren't enough intelligent people in the country to make up for the brainwashed masses who saw Katrina, Abu Ghraib, and the Iraq War and said "Yes, let's have four more years of that."

RANDYWILDMAN

(2,673 posts)
17. Aids and the war on drugs
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 01:17 AM
Apr 8

both awfully convenient and WE as a country had no EMPATHY about either.


Also we went from a true real rocket scientist to a union busting actor....

Bundbuster

(3,156 posts)
90. Spot on - from the most intelligent, compassionate
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 05:18 PM
Apr 9

President we'd ever had in Carter, to a monster who refused to even say the word "AIDS" because his vile puppeteers were telling him "Hey Ronnie, go easy on this AIDS thing 'cause it's taking out just the right people." And murca just cheered him on four 8 years, and idolize him to this day.



betsuni

(25,560 posts)
21. It's always been stupid. Being stupid is an American tendency, can't help it.
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 04:49 AM
Apr 8

Bill Bryson calls Americans almost touchingly literal. Don't expect any nuance or deep thinking or anything.

DFW

(54,415 posts)
22. We don't have a monopoly on stupid (I live in Germany), and I could never limit our stupidity to two events:
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 05:09 AM
Apr 8

But--

The 1968 election (a book written by a Nixon campaign worker was called "The Selling of the President 1968," and the guy moved out of the USA when his man won).

The 1980 election.

The 1984 election.

Stockman admitting he and Reagan's economic team were flying blind, and no Republicans cared.

Ralph Nader's ego trip candidacy in 2000, and the number of people who took him seriously.

The events leading to the decision in 2000 that gave Dick Cheney (dba GW Bush) the presidency.

The media's complacency leading to the Iraq invasion of 2003.
The many events during that invasion, including the loss of $9 BILLION in cash in Iraq, and no military or Republicans cared (I guess everyone was happy with their cut?).

The Republican refusal to vote in all of Obama's desperately needed stimulus package after his inauguration for the sole reason that it would have helped the economy too much and would have made him look too good.

The phony argument made by McTurtle for denying Obama the right to nominate a SCOTUS justice to replace Scalia.

The refusal by Bernie Sanders to end his 2016 campaign well prior to the Democratic convention.

The refusal of the FBI to investigate Russian interference in the 2016 election.

The fact that anyone at all voted for Jill Stein of their own free will in 2016.

The fact that Fox "News" is still watched by millions nationwide and taken seriously by them.

DFW

(54,415 posts)
24. So very true
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 05:20 AM
Apr 8

Each country has its own very different history. Each country's triumphs and its failures will be built upon its own history, and the national characteristics that led up to where we all are today.

betsuni

(25,560 posts)
31. It's like other animals. Some species have excellent eyesight or smell or strength but are stupid about other things.
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 05:43 AM
Apr 8

DFW

(54,415 posts)
40. Wow! Now, I am REALLY impressed. Not too many people remember it.
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 07:02 AM
Apr 8

There was a series of books written about the presidential election every four years by Theodore H. White. They were always called "The Making of the President" with the year coming at the end of the title. The cynical Nixon campaign worker deliberately took the title of his book from the T.H. White books, and the cover had Nixon's image on a cigarette pack.

thucythucy

(8,081 posts)
51. Have you read Nixon Agonistes?
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 10:08 AM
Apr 8

Another excellent book about that man and that election.

Then too there's Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail: plays with some of the facts but it's good for comic relief.

thucythucy

(8,081 posts)
65. There's an excellent chapter
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 12:07 PM
Apr 8

in Nixon Agonistes on Spiro Agnew.

It's amazing how corrupt the man was, and constantly failing up every time he was about to be held accountable. All this was written years before Watergate, but the writing was on the wall.

DFW

(54,415 posts)
72. Agnew was one nasty piece of work.
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 12:43 PM
Apr 8

Nixon was, too, so he may have just like what he saw in Agnew, but he certainly let him drop like a stone in the middle of Lake Superior when his sleaze caught up to him.

As one who lived in Spain during the Franco regime, I was appalled when Agnew went to visit Spain on July 18th, the anniversary of the 1936 fascist uprising that started the brutal Spanish Civil War. Since then, I wished only the very worst for him. When he tendered his resignation on the day he went to enter his "nolo contendere" plea, I wished him a death in obscurity after a time of disgrace and being ignored, which is pretty much what he got.

NBachers

(17,126 posts)
79. I was visiting a friend in Syracuse the night Agnew quit. She had good artistic talents. We made a caricature of Nixon
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 12:47 AM
Apr 9

in prison stripes on a bedsheet with the words NIXON NEXT, fastened it to a broomstick, and hung it out her window with a light focused on it. Plenty of shouts of approval and horn-honking from passers-by.

PCIntern

(25,567 posts)
25. I think I always sensed it but I had a real Aha! Moment
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 05:23 AM
Apr 8

when a gentleman whom I knew, a veteran of WWII and the Depression, who read the newspapers every day, watched the early cable news on CNN, was pretty aware of comings and goings, started to mouth the RW agenda, first supposedly just “putting it out there”, and then basically countering any reasonable political thought with the increasingly radical RW alternative, as though it were the literal truth.

He claimed to be a political Independent but he stopped saying that at least to me when I retorted that based upon our dialogue, his definition of Independent was a Republican with no guts to admit it.

If this guy bought into it, then we may be doomed I thought back in 1988.

Beartracks

(12,819 posts)
35. An Independent is "a Republican with no guts to admit it."
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 06:44 AM
Apr 8

Concise and observant. Maybe some Republicans *do* feel shame? But if so, then they really should stop voting for Republicans.

===============

Xolodno

(6,398 posts)
80. A third of California voters are independents....
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 01:56 AM
Apr 9

...and they usually vote with Dem's. The euphemism may seem nice to say, but it doesn't hold true.

PCIntern

(25,567 posts)
86. Yeah...
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 08:43 AM
Apr 9

I’m aware

But you know what? They vote their own interests which they’re entitled to do but when those interests don’t coincide with the other members of the working class or women’s or minority rights, they have an “out”. And they can say that they’re independent. Never forget that California used to be redder than red.

elocs

(22,590 posts)
27. America is simply too divided with no hope of ever truly being the nation is could be.
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 05:38 AM
Apr 8

If this were a third world nation, people would reckon it was on the path to an eventual all-out civil war with a dictatorship in power. Trump already openly fantasizes about what he would do with no objection from his cult following. The America of today would be incapable of uniting to fight a world war against a Hitler because too many Americans would agree with him.

In a few years from now, my family will have been in America for 400 years, nothing compared to our First Nations. But I never thought that I would be alive in the generation that witnesses the fall of America, the crumbling from within, the yielding to evil.
A sad thought is that the time may very soon be coming when we will look up on 2024 as the good old days. My only hope is to be able to survive for another couple of decades since I'm almost 72 but even then I may wish I had died sooner. Yes, these are evil times.

Yavin4

(35,443 posts)
45. 100%. Jimmy Carter told Americans the truth.
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 08:16 AM
Apr 8

And he was mocked and ridiculed for it. Since then, our politics has leaned towards pandering to idiots.

JI7

(89,255 posts)
29. A poll which showed a high percentage of Americans thought they were in top 10 percent
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 05:40 AM
Apr 8

People buying big screen tvs or some other shit on credit thinking they are among the wealthiest and complain about estate taxes and other shit that has nothing to do with them.

Mike Nelson

(9,961 posts)
32. Of course...
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 05:49 AM
Apr 8

... the "career" of Crooked Donald shows much stupidity. But ...I first noticed it with GWB. From the beginning, when he "won" the Presidency in the Supreme Court... to the war on Iraq due to 9/11 and the anthrax letters (neither of which came from Iraq)... to his destruction of the US economy. I think most people treat GWB well. I think, generally, people don't recall how bad the economy got under GWB, with no Covid. And most people would say the anthrax letters were sent from Iraq, if they even remembered them at all.

Wuddles440

(1,123 posts)
47. And due to right wing propaganda...
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 08:35 AM
Apr 8

many actually attribute Shrub's Great Recession to President Obama! Incredibly infuriating because I still routinely encounter these morons.

BigMin28

(1,178 posts)
34. TSF being elected
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 06:42 AM
Apr 8

They lost their minds over President Obama being elected, but I knew we were truly in trouble with "Operation Jade Helm" when the dumbasses thought President Obama was taking over Texas. There was actually a town hall about it in Bastrop Texas. Repukes won't hold town halls for actual policy, but will for a bunch of idiots that will fall for any conspiracy.

malaise

(269,096 posts)
37. As an observant foreigner
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 06:48 AM
Apr 8

Ithink one of the USA’s biggest mistakes is welcoming RWs from all over the planet because they supported the US agenda in their homeland.
How do you keep democracy when you welcome former dictators, military tools, corrupt politicians, criminal businessmen and women and racists from all over the planet.

I’ve been thinking about this a lot recently.

Torchlight

(3,356 posts)
42. Freedom Fries was when I realize a shark had been jumped.
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 08:06 AM
Apr 8

It's also when I became embarrassed for the first time by the character of US leadership.

Yavin4

(35,443 posts)
44. Ronald Reagan's election in 1980.
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 08:15 AM
Apr 8

Jimmy Carter was the last president who didn't dumb it down for people. He told them the truth, and he lost. His defeat taught our politicians that pandering to idiots win you elections.

That was the start.

Niagara

(7,638 posts)
52. To be clear, I have always voted (Democratic) in Presidential elections since reaching 18 years old.
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 10:11 AM
Apr 8

However, I wasn't exactly what I would call "political aware" during my earlier voting years. My first Presidential election was for Bill Clinton's second term.



This all changed for me sometime after a man named Barack Obama announced his run for presidency.



I was literally minding my own business and I had previous Democratic voter/supporter (it one of my uncles) sending me email about what a bad man this Barack Obama was, and I'm actually like, "Who?". I had no idea who Barack Obama was.


Once the smear campaign started in my email inbox, I would go and look up the information and debunk the smears. I'd send an email back to everyone that was listed on that original email and I would hit back telling them that this is wrong and here is a link to this and here is a link to that to show what a lie this was or that was.


It didn't plan out the way my uncle thought it was going to and the more I learned about Barack Obama, the more I supported him in the 2008 presidential run.


My uncle wouldn't stop sending these lies and I ended up using his name, his email address and MY debit card and I donated money in Barack Obama's campaign fund. So now he's on the "thank you for donating to Barack Obama's campaign" email address permanently with all the other Democratic donation organization. I'm not usually this quick on the uptake and I had enough and the emails stopped.


Oops. This didn't work out very well for him.


This was my eye opening discovery where I realized that Americans can be effing stupid. And blatant liars.

Freddie

(9,269 posts)
53. Not killing the Electoral College
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 10:12 AM
Apr 8

After 2016. Not everything the Founding Fathers did was eternal wisdom.

Jrose

(832 posts)
54. The elections of Nixon, Reagan and -worst of all - Djt.
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 10:12 AM
Apr 8

The first two were more subtly racist and self-centered... The third, blatantly racist, antiSemitic, misogynistic and self-worshipping.

rurallib

(62,432 posts)
55. Somewhere @ age 14, I ate a piece of meat on a Friday and I didn't wake up in
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 10:31 AM
Apr 8

Hell the next morning - I was raised Catholic. I was hungry and ate the meat without thinking. My next door neighbor asked me about it or I never would have known. So I sweated death all night and spending eternity in torture because of a mindless act.

But instead I woke up the next day and went to work as I was expected to. During the day I began to realize how much the church was lying to me every day when I went to school and their religion class daily.

The realization of the constant lying then expanded to start paying attention to what my parents said and did. Then I started to question what the government was saying. Since this was the time that the anti-Vietnam war protests (1964) were starting so there was a lot to question. It all snowballed into an all out distrust of authority from that point.

Johnny2X2X

(19,081 posts)
56. 2004 election
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 10:33 AM
Apr 8

We re-elected W after he showed he was a corrupt buffoon. His approval rating in the 2nd term ended up below 20 at times. That showed me the country was stupid. His 2nd term went exactly how everyone who voted for Kerry knew it was going to go and ended with a near complete and total economic disaster.

dawg

(10,624 posts)
58. We're not stupid or evil.
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 11:07 AM
Apr 8

We are being occupied by immortal non-human entities, and they are using mind-control techniques on us.

(It sounds really crazy when I word it that way, but if you think hard enough, you'll realize that I'm right!)

Aristus

(66,430 posts)
60. Whichever hag it was who called George W. Bush a "freeeeeeeekin' geeeeeeeeeeeeniuuuuuuus!!!"
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 11:13 AM
Apr 8

and we didn't put her away in a hospital somewhere where she could get appropriate medical care, soft foods, visitors, and no access to the outside world where proper cognitive function is an important tool for day-to-day survival.

lpbk2713

(42,763 posts)
70. I was convinced when G Dumbya Bush got a second term.
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 12:40 PM
Apr 8


He had already proven how effen stupid and ineffectual he was for four years.
And yet millions of people wanted him back again. Here's your sign.

Sky Jewels

(7,117 posts)
61. Reagan's election.
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 11:15 AM
Apr 8

I had just started high school. I saw through him immediately. I couldn’t believe that so many people drank the right wing Kool Aid.

Celerity

(43,458 posts)
63. I was never under any illusion it was not, so I never had to disabuse myself of the agitprop of American exceptionalism
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 11:28 AM
Apr 8


The Misguided Focus on 1619 as the Beginning of Slavery in the U.S. Damages Our Understanding of American History

The year the first enslaved Africans were brought to Jamestown is drilled into students’ memories, but overemphasizing this date distorts history

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/misguided-focus-1619-beginning-slavery-us-damages-our-understanding-american-history-180964873/

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The overstated significance of 1619—still a common fixture in American history curriculum—begins with the questions most of us reflexively ask when we consider the first documented arrival of a handful of people from Africa in a place that would one day become the United States of America. First, what was the status of the newly arrived African men and women? Were they slaves? Servants? Something else? And, second, as Winthrop Jordan wondered in the preface to his 1968 classic, White Over Black, what did the white inhabitants of Virginia think when these dark-skinned people were rowed ashore and traded for provisions? Were they shocked? Were they frightened? Did they notice these people were black? If so, did they care? In truth, these questions fail to approach the subject of Africans in America in a historically responsible way. None of these queries conceive of the newly-arrived Africans as actors in their own right. These questions also assume that the arrival of these people was an exceptional historical moment, and they reflect the worries and concerns of the world we inhabit rather than shedding useful light on the unique challenges of life in the early seventeenth century.

There are important historical correctives to the misplaced marker of 1619 that can help us ask better questions about the past. Most obviously, 1619 was not the first time Africans could be found in an English Atlantic colony, and it certainly wasn’t the first time people of African descent made their mark and imposed their will on the land that would someday be part of the United States. As early as May 1616, blacks from the West Indies were already at work in Bermuda providing expert knowledge about the cultivation of tobacco. There is also suggestive evidence that scores of Africans plundered from the Spanish were aboard a fleet under the command of Sir Francis Drake when he arrived at Roanoke Island in 1586. In 1526, enslaved Africans were part of a Spanish expedition to establish an outpost on the North American coast in present-day South Carolina. Those Africans launched a rebellion in November of that year and effectively destroyed the Spanish settlers’ ability to sustain the settlement, which they abandoned a year later. Nearly 100 years before Jamestown, African actors enabled American colonies to survive, and they were equally able to destroy European colonial ventures.

These stories highlight additional problems with exaggerating the importance of 1619. Privileging that date and the Chesapeake region effectively erases the memory of many more African peoples than it memorializes. The “from-this-point-forward” and “in-this-place” narrative arc silences the memory of the more than 500,000 African men, women, and children who had already crossed the Atlantic against their will, aided and abetted Europeans in their endeavors, provided expertise and guidance in a range of enterprises, suffered, died, and – most importantly – endured. That Sir John Hawkins was behind four slave-trading expeditions during the 1560s suggests the degree to which England may have been more invested in African slavery than we typically recall. Tens of thousands of English men and women had meaningful contact with African peoples throughout the Atlantic world before Jamestown. In this light, the events of 1619 were a bit more yawn-inducing than we typically allow.

Telling the story of 1619 as an “English” story also ignores the entirely transnational nature of the early modern Atlantic world and the way competing European powers collectively facilitated racial slavery even as they disagreed about and fought over almost everything else. From the early 1500s forward, the Portuguese, Spanish, English, French, Dutch and others fought to control the resources of the emerging transatlantic world and worked together to facilitate the dislocation of the indigenous peoples of Africa and the Americas. As historian John Thornton has shown us, the African men and women who appeared almost as if by chance in Virginia in 1619 were there because of a chain of events involving Portugal, Spain, the Netherlands and England. Virginia was part of the story, but it was a blip on the radar screen.

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OldBaldy1701E

(5,138 posts)
64. The 'Satanic Daycare' times.
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 11:48 AM
Apr 8

That is when I really figured out that the little cynic inside of me was more right than wrong. That is when I became:

The Cynical Cynic!! (tm)

More blown steam than a locomotive!

Able to leap tall piles of bullshiat in a single bound!

Look, up in the sky... it's a wet blanket! It's an Eeyore!

Its... The Cynical Cynic!

Strange human from a small town with bile and negativity far beyond that of mortal men. And, in his disguise as a worn down, middle aged Boomer (by one month, I might add!), fights a never ending battle. (We don't know what, because it has all proven to be useless so far.)

(kinda?)

Seriously, that whole situation just changed me on everything. The fact that so many people bought into it without even once looking at the fact that those who were pushing this narrative were blatantly just pushing their own agendas and using this as a smokescreen/launching point. And, destroying lives left and right. (I know of too many good male teachers who had to quit after that, because the 'hype' of that shiat just would not let go and they ran into too many issues with parents and others who felt that, since they were male teachers (And single! My stars and garters!!), they HAD to be up to something... because we all know teachers are comely but dowdy females who never marry and are practically nuns their entire lives. I can attest that this attitude goes on to this day.)

maxrandb

(15,338 posts)
67. When you advise people not to look directly at the sun during an eclispe
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 12:18 PM
Apr 8

and they accuse you of being from the "woke" Sight Preservation Society trying to prevent them from seeing God.

lees1975

(3,868 posts)
68. Electing a known con artist, grifter and lying cheat who couldn't pay his bills because he had no real wealth
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 12:20 PM
Apr 8

and was an absolute joke is one. And fiddling around, obfuscating, dawdling, dithering and waiting until the last minute to investigate, indict and bring him to trial is the other.

Elessar Zappa

(14,016 posts)
69. Well, I think every country has roughly the same amount of idiots.
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 12:36 PM
Apr 8

But America seems to enjoy elevating them to important positions.

LiberaBlueDem

(908 posts)
75. That's easy
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 11:06 PM
Apr 8

Vietnam and the reelection of Nixon

Been downhill ever since,

You would think the people would have woken up and just said NO republicans ever again

Silent Type

(2,917 posts)
77. Still a teenager, but Georgia rubes elected a white supremacist Gubnor with an 8th grade education and
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 11:52 PM
Apr 8

who became “popular” chasing Black people out of his restaurant with pick handles and/or a pistol. He sold pick handles as souvenirs and confederate flags.

I was young and naive enough not to fully understand what all that meant (the depths of racial hatred), but I knew electing someone like that was crazy/wrong/vile/immoral.

walkingman

(7,640 posts)
78. As a Texan, I have to say George W Bush election as Governor and then POTUS
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 12:07 AM
Apr 9

it changed Texas into a place almost unrecognizable. However, I will concede that the beginning of this shitshow started with Reagan. For the first time in my work life we argued about the POTUS election of Carter/Reagan.

The GOP today reminds me of the South (Dixiecrats)in the 50s and 60s - openly racists and white religious nutjobs.

Xolodno

(6,398 posts)
81. I could write a novel....
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 02:05 AM
Apr 9

....but I would rather do that on something fun and might make me some money if published.

But the more I travel both here and abroad...I have yet to find the bottom.

NanaCat

(1,187 posts)
85. 1967
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 08:35 AM
Apr 9

I was 5, and sitting in a Southern Baptist church pew because my (heretofore CofE) Mum wanted to impress the guy she was dating with how pious she was.

The minister was completely mental, screaming about how evil women were for listening to that stupid talking snake. When nobody got up and left in disgust, when I got in trouble for crying out, 'That's not true! You're not nice!'--

That's when I knew how very stupid most people are.

Bundbuster

(3,156 posts)
88. Starting in 1972
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 01:05 PM
Apr 9

- 1972: After seeing for 20 years what a sleazy lying sack of shit Nixon was, the murcan people elect him in largest landslide ever - 49 states to one.

- 1980: After seeing RayGun deliver a "States Rights" campaign speech in Philadelphia, Mississippi, scene of the murder of Civil Rights workers Chaney, Goodman, and Schwerner - not a dog whistle but a bullhorn "I am a racist for you!" - murca giddily elects Bedtime For Bonzo.

- Murca embraces the vile poison of Rush Limpballs, soon paying him $20 million/year and snickering as he jets to the Dominican Republic for his annual pedophile & viagra binges. Murca also embraces Rupert Murdoch and his destruction of this country.

- The growth of "Pro" wrestling into murca's most-watched weekly TV program. Murca's most-admired heroes are Hulk Hogan and Sylvester Stallone.

- The proliferation of ever-lower TV shows like The Duggars, My 600 Pound Life, etc.

- As others here have described, mucans - with the height of evil staring them right in the face -re-elect ChenyBushCorp in 2004.

- And of course the rise of MAGA and their idolizing of the most despicable, dishonest, incompetent, vicious, vile, vengeful, cruel, perverted, anti-American, anti-Christian, destructive lifeform to ever run for public office.

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