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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe events that made you realize America is f'ing stupid?
Well, make that "Americans" are f'ing stupid. America as a country is a grand experiment, the greatest government concept in the history of the world. But many Americans don't deserve to live here.
I'm 70 years old... can't really recall the exact moment when I became so cynical... maybe it was inside a church, I don't recall....
But without question the two biggest AMERICANS ARE FUCKING STUPID ALMOST TO THE POINT OF EVIL events I know are:
- Sandy Hook and DOING NOTHING ABOUT IT.
- The election of a fat, ugly, moronic racist rapist to the presidency.
And it really tells you something when Uvalde can't make the top two.
Johonny
(20,861 posts)When it was really hard to link Iraq to anything remotely related to 9-11. Yet America cheered the complete pointless destruction of that country.
Goodheart
(5,334 posts)It's a funny thing... I felt the urge to comment on the stupidity of Americans when I just watched a video of Adam Lambert singing "Believe" to Cher at the Kennedy Center and thought to myself "how in the world did this man NOT win American Idol?" LOL
Martin Eden
(12,873 posts)That attack provided them with "a new Pearl Harbor" to launch their Project for the New American Century, using America's unchallenged military might to forcibly change regimes into our sphere of control (including their great oil wealth).
After no WMD was found in Iraq (here at DU we knew Bush/Cheney were lying through their teeth) and the occupation had turned into a costly quagmire, American voters proved their stupidity by giving GW Bush another term.
malaise
(269,096 posts)Destroyed their universities and much more - fucking evil and still no consequences
Chainfire
(17,575 posts)And omg I hope we dont invade Canada.
Chainfire
(17,575 posts)lastlib
(23,254 posts)GWB is a close third.
Columbine and Sandy Hook would have to be next.
chouchou
(637 posts)It fell even worse when his wife made up ridiculous surface-bullshit like: Just say No
...and worse when some people thought "Oh..that makes real sense"
Right down the tube..
Goodheart
(5,334 posts)Not that I was a fan, but I really think grade B actors are entitled to the Presidency. Hell, Ukraine seems to have a mighty good one. I was MUCH more upset when GWB was elected. How could we promote a low IQ fellow like that to the same office as Madison and Jefferson?
chouchou
(637 posts)..controlled by the Rich puppet masters.
I do remember saying "Well, we can kiss any minimum wage increase for many years"
Unfortunately, I was correct.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)Reagan made greed and idiocy fashionable, and America as NEVER truly recovered
Reagan paved the way for all the repuke lunacy that followed
Martin Eden
(12,873 posts)While steadily transferring wealth from hardworking Americans to the One Percent.
NanaCat
(1,187 posts)Reagan didn't.
Johonny
(20,861 posts)And the media acted like that was normal. He ran on welfare queens in Cadillacs and the media acted like that was a real thing. He cut the upper tax rate and taxed social security and the medi talked about how great the stock market was . . .
We stood around and did nothing as Aids killed thousands of gay men. Indeed we made gay men the boogeyman. And Reagan did nothing . . .
Goodheart
(5,334 posts)And the economy under Carter was a bit dismal. So, I could at least understand his support and victory. There is NO understanding trump support except that he appeals to white supremacists.
NanaCat
(1,187 posts)Plenty of people knew before he was elected that his wife was into astrology (it wasn't a secret, you know). We knew how stupid it would be to cute the upper tax rate and tax Social Security--and we were proved right. In real time. We knew what a bigoted wanker he was, too.
The only reason we didn't know how he would respond to the AIDS crisis was because, gee, the scope of the spread of it wasn't known when he ran for office. If we had known in 1979, the chances are very close to 1:1 that he would have said something stupid and hateful about it on the campaign trail. If he said anything at all. And we had plenty of reason to believe he'd blow it off. He'd already proved without a shadow of a doubt that anything that related to people he hated didn't matter to him--if he didn't actively punch down to make things worse.
That's who he was, and those of us paying attention in 1980 knew that. We knew what a disaster he'd be as POTUS. Why didn't you see it?
jimfields33
(15,859 posts)Polybius
(15,461 posts)So close that they had beers together. You can say that's a good thing, compared to today. But it can also be viewed as a bad thing.
jimfields33
(15,859 posts)But job of looking out for the people should come first. Often it didnt back then.
raccoon
(31,112 posts)arthritisR_US
(7,288 posts)realize to people
MuseRider
(34,112 posts)I wondered "how could we?" and now I know that we can and we will whenever we get a good chance. I think of him as an equal to Trump. They are different but both so secretly malicious (secretly to some anyway) and they got away with it. We just let it go. SO really, while "we" all knew what was happening most did not and fell for the theater of each of them. That is really all it takes. You could have an IQ in the, "knock knock anyone home" range and get elected if you create a great story, even if we all know it is bull.
JoseBalow
(2,404 posts)That's when I realized that I was hopelessly surrounded by morons.
brewens
(13,603 posts)into a giant flag hump fest as if it was good Bush and his people dropped the ball and let us get hit. Then the two illegal wars that followed because of all that. We should have been in the streets running that crap out of office.
The poutrage over the ACA. About everything to do with Trump.
Goodheart
(5,334 posts)I was listening to Michael Smerconish on the POTUS channel and he was talking about how UNITED we Americans actually are. We all believe in freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, the right to privacy, etc. he said.
But I was yelling at the radio "but we DON'T agree on what any of that MEANS, you bald knucklehead."
Bristlecone
(10,130 posts)He is always trying to spin the opposite of reality. For clicks or eyeballs or just to be a contrarian.
His ego tells him hes being clever and interesting. Hes not.
The dumbest thing this country ever did
brush
(53,801 posts)edhopper
(33,595 posts)And definitely Reagen in 80
meadowlander
(4,399 posts)Probably dates me but those were the two events that convinced me 1. the fix is in and 2. there probably aren't enough intelligent people in the country to make up for the brainwashed masses who saw Katrina, Abu Ghraib, and the Iraq War and said "Yes, let's have four more years of that."
RANDYWILDMAN
(2,673 posts)both awfully convenient and WE as a country had no EMPATHY about either.
Also we went from a true real rocket scientist to a union busting actor....
Bundbuster
(3,156 posts)President we'd ever had in Carter, to a monster who refused to even say the word "AIDS" because his vile puppeteers were telling him "Hey Ronnie, go easy on this AIDS thing 'cause it's taking out just the right people." And murca just cheered him on four 8 years, and idolize him to this day.
Kaleva
(36,316 posts)Taking 1/3 of Mexico's land at gunpoint is another.
betsuni
(25,560 posts)Bill Bryson calls Americans almost touchingly literal. Don't expect any nuance or deep thinking or anything.
DFW
(54,415 posts)But--
The 1968 election (a book written by a Nixon campaign worker was called "The Selling of the President 1968," and the guy moved out of the USA when his man won).
The 1980 election.
The 1984 election.
Stockman admitting he and Reagan's economic team were flying blind, and no Republicans cared.
Ralph Nader's ego trip candidacy in 2000, and the number of people who took him seriously.
The events leading to the decision in 2000 that gave Dick Cheney (dba GW Bush) the presidency.
The media's complacency leading to the Iraq invasion of 2003.
The many events during that invasion, including the loss of $9 BILLION in cash in Iraq, and no military or Republicans cared (I guess everyone was happy with their cut?).
The Republican refusal to vote in all of Obama's desperately needed stimulus package after his inauguration for the sole reason that it would have helped the economy too much and would have made him look too good.
The phony argument made by McTurtle for denying Obama the right to nominate a SCOTUS justice to replace Scalia.
The refusal by Bernie Sanders to end his 2016 campaign well prior to the Democratic convention.
The refusal of the FBI to investigate Russian interference in the 2016 election.
The fact that anyone at all voted for Jill Stein of their own free will in 2016.
The fact that Fox "News" is still watched by millions nationwide and taken seriously by them.
betsuni
(25,560 posts)Each country has its own very different history. Each country's triumphs and its failures will be built upon its own history, and the national characteristics that led up to where we all are today.
betsuni
(25,560 posts)malaise
(269,096 posts)DFW
(54,415 posts)There was a series of books written about the presidential election every four years by Theodore H. White. They were always called "The Making of the President" with the year coming at the end of the title. The cynical Nixon campaign worker deliberately took the title of his book from the T.H. White books, and the cover had Nixon's image on a cigarette pack.
malaise
(269,096 posts)Dad gave me his copy
thucythucy
(8,081 posts)Another excellent book about that man and that election.
Then too there's Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail: plays with some of the facts but it's good for comic relief.
DFW
(54,415 posts)thucythucy
(8,081 posts)in Nixon Agonistes on Spiro Agnew.
It's amazing how corrupt the man was, and constantly failing up every time he was about to be held accountable. All this was written years before Watergate, but the writing was on the wall.
DFW
(54,415 posts)Nixon was, too, so he may have just like what he saw in Agnew, but he certainly let him drop like a stone in the middle of Lake Superior when his sleaze caught up to him.
As one who lived in Spain during the Franco regime, I was appalled when Agnew went to visit Spain on July 18th, the anniversary of the 1936 fascist uprising that started the brutal Spanish Civil War. Since then, I wished only the very worst for him. When he tendered his resignation on the day he went to enter his "nolo contendere" plea, I wished him a death in obscurity after a time of disgrace and being ignored, which is pretty much what he got.
NBachers
(17,126 posts)in prison stripes on a bedsheet with the words NIXON NEXT, fastened it to a broomstick, and hung it out her window with a light focused on it. Plenty of shouts of approval and horn-honking from passers-by.
PCIntern
(25,567 posts)when a gentleman whom I knew, a veteran of WWII and the Depression, who read the newspapers every day, watched the early cable news on CNN, was pretty aware of comings and goings, started to mouth the RW agenda, first supposedly just putting it out there, and then basically countering any reasonable political thought with the increasingly radical RW alternative, as though it were the literal truth.
He claimed to be a political Independent but he stopped saying that at least to me when I retorted that based upon our dialogue, his definition of Independent was a Republican with no guts to admit it.
If this guy bought into it, then we may be doomed I thought back in 1988.
Beartracks
(12,819 posts)Concise and observant. Maybe some Republicans *do* feel shame? But if so, then they really should stop voting for Republicans.
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Xolodno
(6,398 posts)...and they usually vote with Dem's. The euphemism may seem nice to say, but it doesn't hold true.
Im aware
But you know what? They vote their own interests which theyre entitled to do but when those interests dont coincide with the other members of the working class or womens or minority rights, they have an out. And they can say that theyre independent. Never forget that California used to be redder than red.
RandiFan1290
(6,239 posts)elocs
(22,590 posts)If this were a third world nation, people would reckon it was on the path to an eventual all-out civil war with a dictatorship in power. Trump already openly fantasizes about what he would do with no objection from his cult following. The America of today would be incapable of uniting to fight a world war against a Hitler because too many Americans would agree with him.
In a few years from now, my family will have been in America for 400 years, nothing compared to our First Nations. But I never thought that I would be alive in the generation that witnesses the fall of America, the crumbling from within, the yielding to evil.
A sad thought is that the time may very soon be coming when we will look up on 2024 as the good old days. My only hope is to be able to survive for another couple of decades since I'm almost 72 but even then I may wish I had died sooner. Yes, these are evil times.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)truly made me see the sheer amount of stupid Americans
Yavin4
(35,443 posts)And he was mocked and ridiculed for it. Since then, our politics has leaned towards pandering to idiots.
JI7
(89,255 posts)People buying big screen tvs or some other shit on credit thinking they are among the wealthiest and complain about estate taxes and other shit that has nothing to do with them.
Mike Nelson
(9,961 posts)... the "career" of Crooked Donald shows much stupidity. But ...I first noticed it with GWB. From the beginning, when he "won" the Presidency in the Supreme Court... to the war on Iraq due to 9/11 and the anthrax letters (neither of which came from Iraq)... to his destruction of the US economy. I think most people treat GWB well. I think, generally, people don't recall how bad the economy got under GWB, with no Covid. And most people would say the anthrax letters were sent from Iraq, if they even remembered them at all.
Wuddles440
(1,123 posts)many actually attribute Shrub's Great Recession to President Obama! Incredibly infuriating because I still routinely encounter these morons.
BigMin28
(1,178 posts)They lost their minds over President Obama being elected, but I knew we were truly in trouble with "Operation Jade Helm" when the dumbasses thought President Obama was taking over Texas. There was actually a town hall about it in Bastrop Texas. Repukes won't hold town halls for actual policy, but will for a bunch of idiots that will fall for any conspiracy.
malaise
(269,096 posts)Ithink one of the USAs biggest mistakes is welcoming RWs from all over the planet because they supported the US agenda in their homeland.
How do you keep democracy when you welcome former dictators, military tools, corrupt politicians, criminal businessmen and women and racists from all over the planet.
Ive been thinking about this a lot recently.
John Shaft
(274 posts)Babylon.
Torchlight
(3,356 posts)It's also when I became embarrassed for the first time by the character of US leadership.
Yavin4
(35,443 posts)Jimmy Carter was the last president who didn't dumb it down for people. He told them the truth, and he lost. His defeat taught our politicians that pandering to idiots win you elections.
That was the start.
Gruenemann
(984 posts)With a few blips, it's been nothing but downhill since then.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,370 posts)Niagara
(7,638 posts)However, I wasn't exactly what I would call "political aware" during my earlier voting years. My first Presidential election was for Bill Clinton's second term.
This all changed for me sometime after a man named Barack Obama announced his run for presidency.
I was literally minding my own business and I had previous Democratic voter/supporter (it one of my uncles) sending me email about what a bad man this Barack Obama was, and I'm actually like, "Who?". I had no idea who Barack Obama was.
Once the smear campaign started in my email inbox, I would go and look up the information and debunk the smears. I'd send an email back to everyone that was listed on that original email and I would hit back telling them that this is wrong and here is a link to this and here is a link to that to show what a lie this was or that was.
It didn't plan out the way my uncle thought it was going to and the more I learned about Barack Obama, the more I supported him in the 2008 presidential run.
My uncle wouldn't stop sending these lies and I ended up using his name, his email address and MY debit card and I donated money in Barack Obama's campaign fund. So now he's on the "thank you for donating to Barack Obama's campaign" email address permanently with all the other Democratic donation organization. I'm not usually this quick on the uptake and I had enough and the emails stopped.
Oops. This didn't work out very well for him.
This was my eye opening discovery where I realized that Americans can be effing stupid. And blatant liars.
Freddie
(9,269 posts)After 2016. Not everything the Founding Fathers did was eternal wisdom.
Jrose
(832 posts)The first two were more subtly racist and self-centered... The third, blatantly racist, antiSemitic, misogynistic and self-worshipping.
rurallib
(62,432 posts)Hell the next morning - I was raised Catholic. I was hungry and ate the meat without thinking. My next door neighbor asked me about it or I never would have known. So I sweated death all night and spending eternity in torture because of a mindless act.
But instead I woke up the next day and went to work as I was expected to. During the day I began to realize how much the church was lying to me every day when I went to school and their religion class daily.
The realization of the constant lying then expanded to start paying attention to what my parents said and did. Then I started to question what the government was saying. Since this was the time that the anti-Vietnam war protests (1964) were starting so there was a lot to question. It all snowballed into an all out distrust of authority from that point.
Johnny2X2X
(19,081 posts)We re-elected W after he showed he was a corrupt buffoon. His approval rating in the 2nd term ended up below 20 at times. That showed me the country was stupid. His 2nd term went exactly how everyone who voted for Kerry knew it was going to go and ended with a near complete and total economic disaster.
dawg
(10,624 posts)We are being occupied by immortal non-human entities, and they are using mind-control techniques on us.
(It sounds really crazy when I word it that way, but if you think hard enough, you'll realize that I'm right!)
Aristus
(66,430 posts)and we didn't put her away in a hospital somewhere where she could get appropriate medical care, soft foods, visitors, and no access to the outside world where proper cognitive function is an important tool for day-to-day survival.
lpbk2713
(42,763 posts)He had already proven how effen stupid and ineffectual he was for four years.
And yet millions of people wanted him back again. Here's your sign.
Sky Jewels
(7,117 posts)I had just started high school. I saw through him immediately. I couldnt believe that so many people drank the right wing Kool Aid.
jimfields33
(15,859 posts)vapor2
(1,248 posts)as he looks like he has really gained weight lately.
Celerity
(43,458 posts)The Misguided Focus on 1619 as the Beginning of Slavery in the U.S. Damages Our Understanding of American History
The year the first enslaved Africans were brought to Jamestown is drilled into students memories, but overemphasizing this date distorts history
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/misguided-focus-1619-beginning-slavery-us-damages-our-understanding-american-history-180964873/
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The overstated significance of 1619still a common fixture in American history curriculumbegins with the questions most of us reflexively ask when we consider the first documented arrival of a handful of people from Africa in a place that would one day become the United States of America. First, what was the status of the newly arrived African men and women? Were they slaves? Servants? Something else? And, second, as Winthrop Jordan wondered in the preface to his 1968 classic, White Over Black, what did the white inhabitants of Virginia think when these dark-skinned people were rowed ashore and traded for provisions? Were they shocked? Were they frightened? Did they notice these people were black? If so, did they care? In truth, these questions fail to approach the subject of Africans in America in a historically responsible way. None of these queries conceive of the newly-arrived Africans as actors in their own right. These questions also assume that the arrival of these people was an exceptional historical moment, and they reflect the worries and concerns of the world we inhabit rather than shedding useful light on the unique challenges of life in the early seventeenth century.
There are important historical correctives to the misplaced marker of 1619 that can help us ask better questions about the past. Most obviously, 1619 was not the first time Africans could be found in an English Atlantic colony, and it certainly wasnt the first time people of African descent made their mark and imposed their will on the land that would someday be part of the United States. As early as May 1616, blacks from the West Indies were already at work in Bermuda providing expert knowledge about the cultivation of tobacco. There is also suggestive evidence that scores of Africans plundered from the Spanish were aboard a fleet under the command of Sir Francis Drake when he arrived at Roanoke Island in 1586. In 1526, enslaved Africans were part of a Spanish expedition to establish an outpost on the North American coast in present-day South Carolina. Those Africans launched a rebellion in November of that year and effectively destroyed the Spanish settlers ability to sustain the settlement, which they abandoned a year later. Nearly 100 years before Jamestown, African actors enabled American colonies to survive, and they were equally able to destroy European colonial ventures.
These stories highlight additional problems with exaggerating the importance of 1619. Privileging that date and the Chesapeake region effectively erases the memory of many more African peoples than it memorializes. The from-this-point-forward and in-this-place narrative arc silences the memory of the more than 500,000 African men, women, and children who had already crossed the Atlantic against their will, aided and abetted Europeans in their endeavors, provided expertise and guidance in a range of enterprises, suffered, died, and most importantly endured. That Sir John Hawkins was behind four slave-trading expeditions during the 1560s suggests the degree to which England may have been more invested in African slavery than we typically recall. Tens of thousands of English men and women had meaningful contact with African peoples throughout the Atlantic world before Jamestown. In this light, the events of 1619 were a bit more yawn-inducing than we typically allow.
Telling the story of 1619 as an English story also ignores the entirely transnational nature of the early modern Atlantic world and the way competing European powers collectively facilitated racial slavery even as they disagreed about and fought over almost everything else. From the early 1500s forward, the Portuguese, Spanish, English, French, Dutch and others fought to control the resources of the emerging transatlantic world and worked together to facilitate the dislocation of the indigenous peoples of Africa and the Americas. As historian John Thornton has shown us, the African men and women who appeared almost as if by chance in Virginia in 1619 were there because of a chain of events involving Portugal, Spain, the Netherlands and England. Virginia was part of the story, but it was a blip on the radar screen.
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OldBaldy1701E
(5,138 posts)That is when I really figured out that the little cynic inside of me was more right than wrong. That is when I became:
The Cynical Cynic!! (tm)
More blown steam than a locomotive!
Able to leap tall piles of bullshiat in a single bound!
Look, up in the sky... it's a wet blanket! It's an Eeyore!
Its... The Cynical Cynic!
Strange human from a small town with bile and negativity far beyond that of mortal men. And, in his disguise as a worn down, middle aged Boomer (by one month, I might add!), fights a never ending battle. (We don't know what, because it has all proven to be useless so far.)
(kinda?)
Seriously, that whole situation just changed me on everything. The fact that so many people bought into it without even once looking at the fact that those who were pushing this narrative were blatantly just pushing their own agendas and using this as a smokescreen/launching point. And, destroying lives left and right. (I know of too many good male teachers who had to quit after that, because the 'hype' of that shiat just would not let go and they ran into too many issues with parents and others who felt that, since they were male teachers (And single! My stars and garters!!), they HAD to be up to something... because we all know teachers are comely but dowdy females who never marry and are practically nuns their entire lives. I can attest that this attitude goes on to this day.)
maxrandb
(15,338 posts)and they accuse you of being from the "woke" Sight Preservation Society trying to prevent them from seeing God.
lees1975
(3,868 posts)and was an absolute joke is one. And fiddling around, obfuscating, dawdling, dithering and waiting until the last minute to investigate, indict and bring him to trial is the other.
Elessar Zappa
(14,016 posts)But America seems to enjoy elevating them to important positions.
LiberaBlueDem
(908 posts)Vietnam and the reelection of Nixon
Been downhill ever since,
You would think the people would have woken up and just said NO republicans ever again
OAITW r.2.0
(24,528 posts)That's when I realized we have lots of people that don't get Democracy.
Silent Type
(2,917 posts)who became popular chasing Black people out of his restaurant with pick handles and/or a pistol. He sold pick handles as souvenirs and confederate flags.
I was young and naive enough not to fully understand what all that meant (the depths of racial hatred), but I knew electing someone like that was crazy/wrong/vile/immoral.
walkingman
(7,640 posts)it changed Texas into a place almost unrecognizable. However, I will concede that the beginning of this shitshow started with Reagan. For the first time in my work life we argued about the POTUS election of Carter/Reagan.
The GOP today reminds me of the South (Dixiecrats)in the 50s and 60s - openly racists and white religious nutjobs.
Xolodno
(6,398 posts)....but I would rather do that on something fun and might make me some money if published.
But the more I travel both here and abroad...I have yet to find the bottom.
I was 5, and sitting in a Southern Baptist church pew because my (heretofore CofE) Mum wanted to impress the guy she was dating with how pious she was.
The minister was completely mental, screaming about how evil women were for listening to that stupid talking snake. When nobody got up and left in disgust, when I got in trouble for crying out, 'That's not true! You're not nice!'--
That's when I knew how very stupid most people are.
GoneOffShore
(17,340 posts)Bundbuster
(3,156 posts)- 1972: After seeing for 20 years what a sleazy lying sack of shit Nixon was, the murcan people elect him in largest landslide ever - 49 states to one.
- 1980: After seeing RayGun deliver a "States Rights" campaign speech in Philadelphia, Mississippi, scene of the murder of Civil Rights workers Chaney, Goodman, and Schwerner - not a dog whistle but a bullhorn "I am a racist for you!" - murca giddily elects Bedtime For Bonzo.
- Murca embraces the vile poison of Rush Limpballs, soon paying him $20 million/year and snickering as he jets to the Dominican Republic for his annual pedophile & viagra binges. Murca also embraces Rupert Murdoch and his destruction of this country.
- The growth of "Pro" wrestling into murca's most-watched weekly TV program. Murca's most-admired heroes are Hulk Hogan and Sylvester Stallone.
- The proliferation of ever-lower TV shows like The Duggars, My 600 Pound Life, etc.
- As others here have described, mucans - with the height of evil staring them right in the face -re-elect ChenyBushCorp in 2004.
- And of course the rise of MAGA and their idolizing of the most despicable, dishonest, incompetent, vicious, vile, vengeful, cruel, perverted, anti-American, anti-Christian, destructive lifeform to ever run for public office.
ificandream
(9,380 posts)That showed how sleazy these guys are.