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"The Democratic opposition to Donald Trump is getting shut down by mobs shouting abuse at Joe Biden supporters and disrupting events with physical intimidation and racial epithets but it's not rabid Trump supporters who are partaking in this particular brand of "illiberal and dangerous" behavior, a columnist wrote Tuesday.
It's members of the far-left, particularly pro-Palestinian activists.
New Yorker columnist Jonathan Chait wrote that pro-Palestinian activists are either trying to teach the Democratic Party a lesson by helping Trump get elected, or they're trying to push the party to move further to the left.
"Because Democrats perceive some of the protesters as potential Biden voters, they have soft-pedaled their criticism of their tactics, Chait wrote. "The handful of critics have focused on the political ramifications of the protest movement, but the problem is not one of mere efficacy.
"Drowning out speakers and disrupting exercises in politics, regardless of its cause or the target, is wrong on principle."
Chait argues that the goal of this kind of behavior is not to help Palestinians, but to "abuse and deny basic rights to those who fail to endorse the protesters beliefs."
"And yes, being prevented from holding a planned speech to supporters, stalked on the street, or subjected to sleep denial are all forms of abuse. Almost nobody believes these are all just natural parts of the give and take of public disagreement," Chait writes, adding that a noticeable and growing split is opening up between liberals and their activist wing, which he labels as the "illiberal left."
https://www.rawstory.com/pro-palestinian-activists/
shrike3
(3,742 posts)Hekate
(90,779 posts)shrike3
(3,742 posts)A lot of noise. And every day there's a different poll, a different article. I frankly have no predictions as to what's going to happen in November.
intheflow
(28,497 posts)from reliable Democratic voters in years past.
shrike3
(3,742 posts)People just don't know how to think things through. On Easter I spoke with a millennial relative, lovely guy. He was going on about how Biden would pay for not "ending the war." Like a lot of these folks, he seemed to think Biden could single-handedly end it. I asked him what he thought Trump would do to Gaza. I could tell by the look on his face he hadn't thought that far ahead. He didn't even know about Kushner's comments about "waterfront property." He was quite chagrined when I explained all this to him.
SouthernDem4ever
(6,617 posts)Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)Roe fell, bad judges appointed by Trump made other bad rulings, and the Jaunuary 6th Insurrection was made possible by this group siphoning off votes for our candidates...they might as well call themselves Republican Light. They intend to elect Republicans. The election of Bush cost twice cost us campaign reform, we lost important financial laws like the bucket laws ET AL which many believe caused the near depression we faced in 2008.
These folks are not the Democratic left who vote for our candidates every year even if they would prefer someone else. But who strive for a better more fair country within the system...a pox on Greens and all the other shitty non-Democrati far left. You create chaos and have caused great harm.
shrike3
(3,742 posts)tritsofme
(17,398 posts)If they didnt have the war in Gaza, they would invent some other issue to attack President Biden and whine about.
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,961 posts)that don't like what is happening in Gaza that ALSO fucking hate Trump and Putin, right. I mean, you aren't trying to just shit on progressives by calling them Trump supporters, are you?
tritsofme
(17,398 posts)Response to tritsofme (Reply #6)
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tritsofme
(17,398 posts)Not sure why you are so eager to apologize for them? They are clearly Trump supporters.
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,961 posts)When you want to discuss the point of the article, let me know. And when you are ready to stop with the false dichotomy.
Amishman
(5,559 posts)And even that is incidental.
Our political fringes - left and right - are being empowered and emboldened by Russia.
Israel actively opposes Iran, who is currently Russia's biggest ally.
Encouraging pro Palestinian / pro Hamas also causes dissent in the US, making this a twofer for Russia
Cha
(297,560 posts)Yeah.. just activists.. Shit.
Cha
(297,560 posts)Cuthbert Allgood
(4,961 posts)Awesome. The poster I was responding to didn't seem to indicate that was a thing that could be done.
soldierant
(6,914 posts)I think most of us Democrats are actually in that position, or close to it. I think I am a bit more supportive of Joe than many,because i have enough imagination to see that a natipn which suddenly turned on a long time ally without warning would be committing national suicide, because no other ally would ever trust it again. And I see Joe now as being in the process of giving some warning. Frankly, I hope the warnings work. I wouldn't mind breaking ties with Netanyahu, but I'd hate to break ties with the nation of Israel itself - all the decent people who live there - and the rest of the Jewish people aeound the world to whom the nation is a symbol of a safe plase.
electric_blue68
(14,932 posts)Maybe the phrase "steering the Ship Of State" applies here. It's a Big Boat to turn!
I'd love to see Bibi bounced out, and a better coalition with some more Centerist elements if possible! I support Israel. I don't support everything they do/have done.
Hopefully President Biden uses some stronger language in private!
soldierant
(6,914 posts)and I'm guessing Biden does use stronger language in private. We know he's capable of stronger language. And I think the "diplomacy" aspect of foreign policy often means not letting the public in on the details. Beau of the Fifth Column decribes foreign policy as "an internatinal poker game in which everybody is cheating."
electric_blue68
(14,932 posts)MadameButterfly
(1,062 posts)related to the massacre of their people, or expressing a desire not to be implicated in atrocities, is not the same as being Trump supporters. Since the Democratic party professes to support democracy, it needs to hear the voices of all people under it's tent.
I'm not condoning specific actions by the activists but I don't think the solution to their understandable anger is to say put up or shut up and then blame them if Biden loses. Biden needs to court them because even if their techniques are objectionable, their concerns are valid.
Unfortunately in this insane election Trump can run roughshod and Biden has to walk a delicate line. Because authoritarianism is easy and democracy is hard.
If we reject them as unfit and unreasonable we won't get their votes. We don't win by casting them out but by bringing them back in.
Nixie
(16,975 posts)This disinformation campaign is exactly why it's so transparent what is going on.
Celerity
(43,485 posts)The Biden administration for the second time this month has bypassed Congress to approve the transfer of nearly $150 million in military equipment to Israel amid the countrys war against Hamas.
Secretary of State Antony Blinken informed Congress that he has made an emergency determination to immediately approve the transfer of 155mm ancillary items including fuzes, charges, and primers that make 155mm shells functional, a State Department spokesperson said Friday.
Given the urgency of Israels defensive needs, the secretary notified Congress that he had exercised his delegated authority to determine an emergency existed necessitating the immediate approval of the transfer, the spokesperson said. The spokesperson said the additional items were added to previous sales, which increased the total value of the sale to $147.5 million.
Earlier this month, the administration rushed forward a sale of thousands of munitions to Israel, bypassing the standard 20-day period that congressional committees are typically afforded to review such a sale. The State Department sent an emergency declaration to the oversight committees that more than 13,000 tank shells would be delivered to Israel without any further information, details or assurances.
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Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)Celerity
(43,485 posts)The other poster falsely tried to frame the pointing out (by the poster they replied to) actual problematic Biden policy actions in re Israel as being 'disinformation':
I simply provided two clear examples of actual Biden policy/actions that many (far from jiust some small group) do take issue with.
Nixie
(16,975 posts)It's an ongoing policy of the United States government for decades, as we all know.
There is a pertinent quote in the article that confirms the well/known U.S. policy towards Israel.
Celerity
(43,485 posts)There is no POTUS-binding law that required him to do that whatsoever.
Israel does NOT have a statutory whip hand over the US that compels us to give them whatever they want regardless of their own actions, as much as some here seem to wish there was.
Nixie
(16,975 posts)You are the one with the "wishes" which is the crux of the disinformation campaigns. Sowing doubt about our Democratic leaders because of wishes.
There is long standing U.S. policy towards Israel and that is a fact of our government. The quote about that from Blinken is in the article. So let's not imply Biden is shady.
Celerity
(43,485 posts)The US has no legal obligation to fund Israel militarily no matter what they do, no matter how hard you try to massage words to fit your projections.
Biden's policy actions and choices (he was NOT legally bound to do so) were to twice bypass Congress and fund israel militarily. He was not legally bound to do so. He chose that as his policy, whether you agree with it or not.
That is a fact, not some phantom, imagined 'disinformation campaign'.
Furthermore, disagreeing with those 2 policy actions most certainly does NOT make one a 'bad, disloyal Democrat' (or whatever framing you wish to use to insinuate that) whatsoever, no matter how much a small handful on here attempt to paint it as such.
Disagreement over policy (even when the policy comes from elements of one's own party) and the opportunity to peacefully dissent is the essence of American Democracy.
Nixie
(16,975 posts)that you think you are cleverly exposing is pure projection. Stating facts about the U.S. government's policy towards Israel are facts. This is where the disinformation campaigns thinks they are clever with diversions that imply corruption. There is nothing unrecognizable about Blinken's following statement. Facts are that this is what U.S. policy towards Israel has been and implying that any president can disrupt that based on some congresspeople with agendas isn't reality. It's not "Biden's policy."
The United States is committed to the security of Israel, and it is vital to U.S. national interests to assist Israel to develop and maintain a strong and ready self-defense capability. This proposed sale is consistent with those objectives, the spokesperson said. We continue to be clear with the government of Israel that they must comply with [international humanitarian law] and must take every feasible step to avoid harm to civilians."
Nixie
(16,975 posts)There is no need for rabbit holes like this when we all know the history of our relations with Israel. It's common knowledge and ignoring it or trying to alter facts are just trying to sow distrust of our president.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93United_States_relations
Celerity
(43,485 posts)Israel was not engaged in the mass slaughter of then of thousands of innocent Gazans back then.
Bottom line, you do not get to declare who is a good Democrat and who is not just because millions (tens of millions probably) of us Democratic Party members disagree with a certain policy that you apparently are fully invested in.
It certain is NOT some nefarious disinformation campaign to point out indisputable facts (ie Biden twice going around Congress to send military aid to Israel) nor is it somehow anti-Democratic Party to voice dissent over those policy decisions/acts.
Dissent is cherished American right, as laid out in the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution
You are not the doorkeeper of what makes one a proper Democrat or not in regards to the peaceful exercise of said dissent and/or the petition for redress of grievances. We are not an authoritarian, top-down, 100 per cent support 'anything and everything that a Democratic POTUS does' Party. I leave that to the Rethugs. If you think we should be such a party, then I would posit that says more about you than me.
On these things I shall never yield, be it on DU or anywhere else I happen to find myself engaged in American political debate.
I AM a good Democrat. I make a lot of monetary political contributions to Democratic candidates and causes, I vote 100% straight Democratic tickets, I actively work to GOTV here overseas (and also with people living in the US), and I am always trying to win hearts and minds for our Party within my social set.
Nixie
(16,975 posts)for U.S. government policy that dates back to the Eisenhower administration .
That's it in a nutshell so spare me the personal insults.
Celerity
(43,485 posts)Nixie
(16,975 posts)Gaslighting distractions about our party aren't helping anything.
Nixie
(16,975 posts)electric_blue68
(14,932 posts)intimidated?
If it's verbal... Well, yeah, that IS unpleasant for sure. You have to put up with it, or respond back - verbally.
IF it's becoming physical, like say, trying literally block someone from entering an event? THAT crosses a line! That certainly is Not going win anyone to your side.
But I don't know IF this is =actually= happening. Something I should try and check out.
There's enough pain to go around on both sides.
MadameButterfly
(1,062 posts)change. Biden seems determined to stick to the historical policy, while others believe this should be influence by Israel's actions.
You can agree with either, but don't tell people not to have an opinion.
Nixie
(16,975 posts)that have a real world history in a terrorist region is naive, at best. If you read the article(s), it states that Blinken determined there was an emergency in the region, as if the war wasn't enough.
Now it looks like Iran is threatening to attack Israel. That is something the U.S. government would know about, but the message board criticisms aren't really designed to deal with real world facts.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-iran-hamas-war-us-travel-warning-middle-east-conflict/
You can have your opinion, but not your own facts.
MadameButterfly
(1,062 posts)who uses that to erase any facts or real debate.
I understand that you deeply wish that no one would criticize Biden, and we are all worried about any negative press for him in light of a critical election approaching.
Yet you can't make an issue go away by silencing people, or falsely claiming things you don't like to hear aren't true.
Let's not start acting like the other party. Let's have some faith in the democratic system and that through lively debate we can come to the best conclusions--including to vote for Biden wherever he or we stand on this particular issue.
Nixie
(16,975 posts)course he doesn't like being called out on it. His latest delusion is that Biden was taking drugs at the SOTU. It would be kind to call that disinformation, but that is how the performances work. It's not "erasing any facts or real debate" to point out that you are manipulating the entire history of U.S./Israel relations. That would be you doing that.
Misrepresenting history to malign those Democrats you don't like isn't discussing an "issue". You would be the one erasing facts and real debate by assigning decades of American foreign policy solely on Biden, among your other distractions which are now well into the personal territory which is how these performances operate. When the facts aren't on your side, then get personal.
Look at the title of this thread. It describes the similarities of the fringe left and loony right, so your denials fit right into that phenomenon we've all been seeing for some time now.
MadameButterfly
(1,062 posts)Nixie
(16,975 posts)Caliman73
(11,744 posts)You are either with us (and by us, I mean who and what I think is best) or you are with the enemy.
I even agree that ultimately people have to make a choice of what is available. I do not like the United States' policy of unconditional support for Israel, but I know that the Democratic Party is better for the country than Conservatives/Republicans. That doesn't stop me from wanting a different approach. It makes me understand that my opposition has a limit and that support for Conservatives does far more damage to everything I want.
I would strongly urge a reconsideration of adapting the same attitudes and talking points that we hear from the likes of Marjorie Greene and her ilk.
The Wizard
(12,547 posts)is getting rubles sent to an offshore money laundry.
Think. Again.
(8,361 posts)LakeArenal
(28,837 posts)SouthernDem4ever
(6,617 posts)That's their entire MO.
electric_blue68
(14,932 posts)Last edited Thu Apr 11, 2024, 01:04 AM - Edit history (1)
Ugh I think I'm getting a metaphorical headache.
IF they're protesting AND saying they are Not Going to Vote for Biden - then by omission they're supporting drumphf.
Bev54
(10,067 posts)It is the far left that support Putin as well as Palestinians, you know like Jill Stein. Progressive is not a dirty word and nobody here considers them extreme.
Think. Again.
(8,361 posts)From the DU Terms of Service:
"Members are not expected to hold across-the-board progressive opinions on every single issue, but we do expect members to be generally progressive and to support Democrats at election time -- remember that and respect it when posting. Harsh, divisive, partisan attacks against Democrats or progressive values (from the right or the left) are not welcome here."
MadameButterfly
(1,062 posts)i'm not sure what you are referring to. There are some on the far left more afraid of nuclear war than Putin's invasion of Europe, an opinion I disagree with. But to say they support Putin is a bit too far. No one on the left that I'm aware of actually supports Russian invasions or a totalitarian government. There are differences on strategy in containing it.
Bev54
(10,067 posts)I would call it supporting.
MadameButterfly
(1,062 posts)with her choice, or her presence in close elections. Ralph Nader lost me on that score too.
But her decision to speak with the people at that meeting is not the same as supporting totalitarian regimes. A lot of politicians speak with leaders that they disagree with. I can't find anything she says in speeches or interviews that supports Putin, and isn't fully in support of the democratic process.
She was not inviting Victor Orban to her rallies and praising him, like CPAC. We need to be able to tell the difference.
Bev54
(10,067 posts)Cuthbert Allgood
(4,961 posts)Had they not protested the convention so much, Nixon never would have won.
for the impaired
Seems kind of weird for a Democratic website to be shitting on left protesters. But you do you, I guess.
tritsofme
(17,398 posts)morons chanting about Genocide Joe and other nonsense.
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,961 posts)"Drowning out speakers and disrupting exercises in politics, regardless of its cause or the target, is wrong on principle."
You do know how protests work, right? And how DU loved it when Rittenhouse was interrupted? Biden should be able to handle people that agree with him on 95%+ of things being unhappy with something major on the world stage. Or does he stop being Dark Brandon in the face of these horrible leftists?
electric_blue68
(14,932 posts)Yeah, they're allowed to do it.
I suppose it could be said to be like applying verbal "shock treatment" - saying something so aggregious as to question what he's doing...
but I don't think it would work that way with him.
Especially when he's probably said some strong things to Bibi.
I pretty sure he feels pain for this excessive war towards Gazans even with the trickiness of Hamas embedding themselves in their society.
As he felt pain for Hamas's heinious actions of 10/7.
Cha
(297,560 posts)assholes are out in the Streets Screaming Lies about Pres Biden. Fuck the GD Liars.
betsuni
(25,603 posts)something might need to be different in this one area?" "So this is a cult and we have to support him 100%?"
SocialDemocrat61
(623 posts)Left Underground. The Democratic party is a big tent. While many are left or liberal, there are many moderates as well. Also many on the far left (or purity left) are not democrats. They are in the Green party or independents. And they hate democrats more than republicans. They blame everything on democrats and Biden. Hardly every saying anything critical of Trump and republicans. They'll claim democrats are just as bad as republicans and Biden is as bad or worse than Trump. They've labeled democrats as Blue MAGA. These people can't be reasoned with. They are driven by their egos to feel that they are morally superior to everyone else.
SouthernDem4ever
(6,617 posts)It's definitely plausible.
Ping Tung
(648 posts)Trump & Co like to wail about the mythological Far Left, Radicals, Socialists, Marxists to frighten their cult. Biden and the Dems are more likely to be moderates on most issues. The influence of the left is minimal. There is a growing split over Palestine and Gaza but Biden is playing it pretty well because there isn't a viable alternative to Biden.
This isn't '68.
ripcord
(5,507 posts)"Hey hey LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?"
Voltaire2
(13,123 posts)MadameButterfly
(1,062 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)Hekate
(90,779 posts)
was shipped out.
People in his own government lied to him, you know. It was not a war of his choosing, and he relied on their expertise, and they lied in their teeth.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)MadameButterfly
(1,062 posts)and Nixon prevented that. It wan't until years later....and only recently this has all come out.
I think Johnson was crushed by Vietnam and feeling the need to pull out of the race. He was ambitious. But the crowds yelling at him weren't wrong. The war needed to end.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)It took several more years for the politicians to catch on.
Ping Tung
(648 posts)electric_blue68
(14,932 posts)Let's see -
Center/Center Left-Liberal/
Progressive/Far Left
How does that sound to you.
This isn't '68.
You mean like Eugene McCarthy?
Genuinely just asking, I was a RFK supporter: was following him in the news in '67 (intermittently before then) listening to his JFK advisors, and a new supporter as well on a local NYC radio.
I started paying more attention to politics by the time I was 12-13. As my dad had me shoving local political flyers under our neighbors apt doors. But really by '67 as I turned against the Vietnam War.
So how old were you in '68? I was 15.
We (my folks, and my younger sister) were glued to the TV at night on our *Family Vacation watching the Chicago Convention! 😄
Anyway, I don't think "The Far Left" is quite as weak as you posit, but certainly No Way the hulking monster that drumpphf & Co declare.
*not your average family vacation! 😄
I'm laughing bc it wasn't average! But we were seriously following it.
Ping Tung
(648 posts)In the Democratic Primary I voted for Gene McCarthy. In the general I voted for Dr. Spock. I was, and remain, a Socialist. I joined the Democratic party in 1965 and I'm still a registered Democrat although in my state we don't register or vote by party any more. So, technically, I'm an Independent.
alwaysinasnit
(5,071 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)when I protested Bush and his lies to war either.
alwaysinasnit
(5,071 posts)some of them. I hope I am wrong.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)alwaysinasnit
(5,071 posts)electric_blue68
(14,932 posts)as in insincere? Since Astroturf is fake grass?
I can't say about these current protests; but I turned against the Vietnam War sometime in 196 by listening to a lot of news, and opinions.
alwaysinasnit
(5,071 posts)organized activity that is intended to create a false impression of a widespread, spontaneously arising, grassroots movement in support of or in opposition to something (such as a political policy) but that is in reality initiated and controlled by a concealed group or organization (such as a corporation)
Classic astroturfing is the practice of disguising an orchestrated campaign as a spontaneous upwelling of public opinion. The term itself appears to have been coined in 1985 by then Texas Senator Lloyd Bentsen, who noted that the mountains of letters he received about legislation on insurance originated with insurers.
New Scientist, 10 Feb. 2007
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There is something about how some of these protests, under cover of the atrocities being committed in the Israeli war, that seems to purposefully bash Biden in order to harm his political campaign. Maybe I'm just imagining things.
electric_blue68
(14,932 posts)but so many deaths of real innocents babies, toddlers of Palestinians, just Horrific!
Not to say that deaths of kids, tweens, teens, young adults and older is something to scoff at.
Yet how many Palestinians want Israel to be wiped off the face of the Earth? That's heneious too, even if I've been against Bibi since he helped foment the atmosphere that got Rabin assassinated!
I'm for a Two State solution Damn Bibi for allowing more & more Jewish Settlers in the West Bank to run roughshod over the Palestinians there!
Mossfern
(2,547 posts)Biden isn't the president of Israel.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)The whole world damn well knows that there is a lot that Biden can do to influence the trump twin who is the president of Israel.
SocialDemocrat61
(623 posts)when they label him genocide Joe or falsely claim he could stop the Gaza war with one phone and that Israel gets all its weapons from the US.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)it's weapons from the US. So your "points" are moot. Have a nice day.
intheflow
(28,497 posts)I clear-cut all the conservatives from my feed in 2015 or so. It's been reliably liberal ever since, except now people are starting to say they won't suppport Biden because of Palestine. Absolutely bonkers! They do actually seem to think he coculd go in and do something to stop Bibi, like stopping arms shipments. But those deals have been in place since before October 7th, and it's just following through on on previous agreements - which indicates to the rest of the world that the US keeps its promises.
Think. Again.
(8,361 posts)...feeding the viewer what they show an interest in.
I don't know that for sure though, I wouldn't touch facebook.
SocialDemocrat61
(623 posts)https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/feb/21/biden-stop-gaza-bombing-genocide-israel
Mehdi Hasan
Mr President, make the call. End this genocide
https://www.mediaite.com/politics/michael-moore-calls-out-arms-dealer-biden-only-person-in-world-who-can-stop-gaza-ethnic-cleansing/
Michael Moore slammed President Joe Biden as Israels number one arms dealer currently supporting an ethnic cleansing in Gaza.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)and what Reagan told Begin. Begin was a lot more reasonable that what Nuttanyahoo is and he stopped the bombing. Not the point you intended to make I'm sure. As for Moore? He didn't say one phone call is all it would take either. Moore like many Dems is very anti war.
Hes really the only one in the whole entire world that has the power to stop this, say, within the next hour, literally by just turning off the faucet, pulling the the plug. No more bombs, no more guns, no more bullets, no more nothing until you, Mr. Netanyahu, stop the slaughter, he said. Were the bank for this, folks. You and me.
Moore later offered a more personal message for Biden and referred to the destruction in Gaza as ethnic cleansing.
You know who you are and what you have to do. You must have thought it. You must have thought about it during Mass on Easter, he said. Public opinion is completely against this ethnic cleansing.
I agree with him. Turning off the faucet and pulling the plug would work. Nuttanyahoo would have to listen.
Many Americans have family in Gaza.
SocialDemocrat61
(623 posts)And Moore says, The filmmaker argued Biden is the only person in the world who could bring an end to the Israel-Hamas war.
What about video clips?
The point is that many people are claiming that Biden has some magical power to stop the Gaza war which he doesn't.
AnrothElf
(586 posts)I'm still waiting to see the massive Anti-Hamas protests. Anywhere, but especially in Gaza and the West Bank...
* crickets *
Voltaire2
(13,123 posts)It won't matter to Israel and we can stop being complicit in a genocide.
Mossfern
(2,547 posts)Although very flawed at this point, Israel is the only democracy in the area.
You use the word "genocide", I do not think you know what it means.
The war would end if Hamas would return the hostages and surrender.
If that happened, the killing would end...at least by the Israelis.
History has shown that it is the Hamas and other Islamic terrorist groups that
have the desire to eradicate Israel.
Israel has no interest in killing all Palestinians, yet it is the mission of Hamas to kill all
Jews.
Nu?
Hekate
(90,779 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)lapucelle
(18,307 posts)and his wife Jodie Evans, founder of Code Pink.
Neville Roy Singham and his wife Jodie Evans are China propagandistsand a primary source of the fury exploding on our streets
https://www.thefp.com/p/american-marxists-funding-pro-palestinian-rage
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The Times unraveled a financial network that stretches from Chicago to Shanghai and uses American nonprofits to push Chinese talking points worldwide.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/05/world/europe/neville-roy-singham-china-propaganda.html
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https://www.intelligenceonline.com/corporate-intelligence/2022/11/11/businessman-neville-roy-singham-quietly-sponsors-an-initiative-opposing-us-assistance-to-kyiv,109863896-art
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A New Lines investigation reveals a network of charities funneling millions into left-wing platforms that take Beijings side on the genocide allegations and theyre all connected to an American tech magnate.
https://newlinesmag.com/reportage/the-big-business-of-uyghur-genocide-denial/
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"The People's Forum" is organizing and conducting anti-Israel protests across the country.
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Singham and Evans launder their funding of pro-Hamas, anti-Israel, anti-Biden "protests" through the Goldman Sachs Philanthropy Fund which distributes "charitable donations" at the direct request of donors.
The Influence Watch page on The People's Forum:
In 2019, The Peoples Forum received $12 million through the Goldman Sachs Philanthropy Fund, a donor-advised fund provider. This was not the first time the Forum received a hefty sum in this manner: it was given $4,400,000 in 2018 and $2,500,000 in 2017 through the Philanthropy Fund.
https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/the-peoples-forum/
Blue Idaho
(5,057 posts)Wake Up People.
lapucelle
(18,307 posts)An activist affiliated with the anti-war group Code Pink is facing felony charges for causing damage around Speaker Emerita Nancy Pelosis San Francisco residence during a Feb. 11 demonstration.
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Last month, Code Pink circulated a video showing Pelosi telling a Code Pink protester, Go back to China, where your headquarters is.
Pelosi was referring to a New York Times investigation that revealed extensive ties between Code Pinks co-founder, Jodie Evans, and groups promoting the agenda of the Chinese Communist Party.
That exchange took place on Oct. 29, coinciding with the one-year anniversary of the attack on Pelosis husband, Paul Pelosi, which left him hospitalized with severe injuries. The attacker, David DePape, told investigators he sought to hold Nancy Pelosi hostage.
https://sfstandard.com/2024/02/16/nancy-pelosi-cease-fire-protests-san-francisco-code-pink/
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According to a Code Pink blog post, the purpose of the October 29 protest was to "briefly hold Pelosi hostage."
A Code Pink spokesperson called the timing of the action to hold Speaker Emerita Pelosi hostage -- the one year anniversary of the hammer assault on Paul Pelosi by an assailant seeking to hold Nancy Pelosi hostage -- was an "unfortunate coincidence".
https://sfstandard.com/2024/02/16/nancy-pelosi-cease-fire-protests-san-francisco-code-pink/
lapucelle
(18,307 posts)It was also a working event. The invitation described a panel discussion called The Future of the Left.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/05/world/europe/neville-roy-singham-china-propaganda.html
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It's a cozy little circle, with Goodman's hyper-lucrative, third-party-amplifying "news" outlet stoking pro-terrorist, anti-Israel, anti-US messaging.
madaboutharry
(40,219 posts)and repost clips of her Democracy Now show as if she was speaking gospel. In my opinion, Goodman proved that she was full of shit decades ago.
lapucelle
(18,307 posts)Last edited Wed Apr 10, 2024, 04:12 PM - Edit history (1)
as if these terrorists were groups to celebrate.
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,062 posts)But it was also an actual genocide, not bloody urban warfare.
lapucelle
(18,307 posts)August 2020
Reports in July claimed that the Houthi militant group in Yemen was rounding up Yemeni Jews and pressuring them to leave. These reports were denied by both Yemeni and international sources.
https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/yemens-remaining-jews-to-be-transferred-to-uae-report-638831
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A precarious existence for countrys last 100 Jews.
https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/exclusive-the-end-of-jewish-yemen-is-imminent-639267
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On 28 March 2021, 13 Jews were forced by the Houthis to leave Yemen;less than 10 Jews still resided in Yemen. According to one report there are six Jews left in Yemen: one woman; her brother; 3 others, and Levi Salem Marhabi (who has been imprisoned for helping smuggle a Torah scroll out of Yemen).
The Jerusalem Post reported that the remaining Jewish population in Yemen consists of four elderly Jews, ending the continuous presence of a community that dated back to antiquity. In December 2021 the Jews of Yemen received Hanukkah kits. In March 2022 the United Nations reported there is just one Jew in Yemen (Levi Salem Marhabi).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemenite_Jews
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The history of the Jews in Yemen spans millennia, encompassing many challenging and prosperous periods. Read on to explore and unravel the captivating narrative of Yemenite Jews, tracing their journey through time, and learn about an ancient Jewish community that survived all odds and came home.
The Last Jew in Yemen
A lone Jewish person remains in Yemen, down from seven in February, according to a new United Nations report about the treatment of religious minorities in conflict zones. (Gabby Deutch, Jewish Insider March 14, 2022)
In the early 20th century, Jews in Yemen numbered over 50,000; today, there is one Jew left. There are reportedly a handful of hidden Jews in Yemen who have converted to Islam but secretly practice Judaism.
https://aish.com/history-of-the-jews-of-yemen/
electric_blue68
(14,932 posts)electric_blue68
(14,932 posts)mcar
(42,372 posts)who wanted to get Trump in to bring on the "revolution." Idiots.
ProfessorPlum
(11,273 posts)for christ's sake
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,961 posts)Cha
(297,560 posts)Fuck the Liars calling Pres Biden "Genocide Joe"!
Hamas Rejects Ceasefire
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218846756
Israel's proposal?
maxsolomon
(33,384 posts)It's been worked out by the negotiators: Qatar, Egypt Jordan, the US. The impasse is that Hamas wants an Armistice, not a Ceasefire of whatever length.
But you knew that. Welcome to DU.
ripcord
(5,507 posts)But they are shocked by the deaths in Gaza, they don't support the US position and are blaming the President for continuing to support and arm Israel. I think the majority of them think they are doing the right thing by putting pressure on Biden to, at a minimum, stop arming Israel. It is really bad that this is happening in an election year, I think that was part of Iran's goal, but these people aren't going to change their beliefs because of the election but are more likely to stand firm because they see it as a lever to help end the killing.
BannonsLiver
(16,439 posts)Wish in one hand....
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,404 posts)A person can choose to not read Jonathan Chait and lose absolutely nothing.
LudwigPastorius
(9,167 posts)This article was stupid then, and even worse in hindsight.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/02/why-liberals-should-support-a-trump-nomination.html
Cha
(297,560 posts)"Genocide Joe".
Celerity
(43,485 posts)https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/02/why-liberals-should-support-a-trump-nomination.html
https://archive.is/tVH0x
The initial stupefaction and dismay with which liberals greeted Donald Trumps candidacy have slowly given way to feelings of Schadenfreude reveling in the suffering of others, in this case the apoplectic members of the Republican Establishment. Are such feelings morally wrong? Or can liberals enjoy the spectacle unleavened by guilt? As Republican voters start actually voting, is it okay to be sad alarmed, even by the prospect that the Trump hostile takeover of the GOP may fail?
There are three reasons, in descending order of obviousness, for a liberal to earnestly and patriotically support a Trump Republican nomination. The first, of course, is that he would almost certainly lose. Trumps ability to stay atop the polls for months, even as critics predicted his demise, has given him an aura of voodoo magic that frightens some Democrats. But whatever wizardry Trump has used to defy the laws of political gravity has worked only within his party. Among the electorate as a whole, he is massively indeed, historically unpopular, with unfavorable ratings now hovering around 60 percent and a public persona almost perfectly designed to repel the Obama coalition: racial minorities, single women, and college-educated whites. It would take a landscape-altering event like a recession for him to win; even that might not be enough.
Second, a Trump nomination might upend his party. The GOP is a machine that harnesses ethno-nationalistic fear of communists, criminals, matrimonial gays, terrorists, snooty cultural elites ?? to win elections and then, once in office, caters to its wealthy donor base. (This is why even a social firebrand like Ted Cruz would privately assure the billionaire investor Paul Singer that he wasnt particularly concerned about gay-marriage laws.) As its voting base has lost college-educated voters and gained blue-collar whites, the fissure between the means by which Republicans attain power and the ends they pursue once they have it has widened.
What has most horrified conservative activists about Trumps rise is how little he or his supporters seem to care about their anti-government ideology. When presented with the candidates previous support for higher taxes on the rich or single-payer insurance, heresies of the highest order, Trump fans merely shrug. During this campaign, Trump has mostly conformed to party doctrine, but without much conviction. Trump does not mouth the rote conservative formulation that government is failing because it cant work and that the solution is to cut it down to size. Instead, he says it is failing because it is run by idiots and that the solution is for it to instead be run by Trump. About half of Republicans favor higher taxes on the rich, a position that has zero representation among their partys leaders. And those Republicans are the most likely to support Trump.
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https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2015/04/disastrous-clinton-post-presidency.html
https://archive.is/0BsIY
The qualities of an effective presidency do not seem to transfer onto a post-presidency. Jimmy Carter was an ineffective president who became an exemplary post-president. Bill Clinton appears to be the reverse. All sorts of unproven worst-case-scenario questions float around the web of connections between Bills private work, Hillary Clintons public role as secretary of State, the Clintons quasi-public charity, and Hillarys noncompliant email system. But the best-case scenario is bad enough: The Clintons have been disorganized and greedy. The news today about the Clintons all fleshes out, in one way or another, their lack of interest in policing serious conflict-of-interest problems that arise in their overlapping roles:
The Clinton campaign is [link:http://images.businessweek.com/cms/2015-04-23/MEMO-Clinton-Cash-Claims.pdf|batting down] the darkest and most conspiratorial interpretation of these stories, and where this all leads remains to be seen. But the most positive interpretation is not exactly good. When you are a power couple consisting of a former president and a current secretary of State and likely presidential candidate, you have the ability to raise a lot of money for charitable purposes that can do a lot of good. But some of the potential sources of donations will be looking to get something in return for their money other than moral satisfaction or the chance to hobnob with celebrities. Some of them want preferential treatment from the State Department, and others want access to a potential future Clinton administration. To run a private operation where Bill Clinton will deliver a speech for a (huge) fee and a charity that raises money from some of the same clients is a difficult situation to navigate. To overlay that fraught situation onto Hillarys ongoing and likely future government service makes it all much harder.
And yet the Clintons paid little to no attention to this problem. Nicholas Confessore described their operation as a sprawling concern, supervised by a rotating board of old Clinton hands, vulnerable to distraction and threatened by conflicts of interest. It ran multimillion-dollar deficits for several years, despite vast amounts of money flowing in. Indeed, as Ryan Lizza reported in 2012, Bill Clinton seemed to see the nexus between his role and his wifes as a positive rather than a negative:
The Obama administration wanted Hillary Clinton to use official government email. She didnt. The Obama administration also demanded that the Clinton Foundation disclose all its donors while she served as Secretary of State. It didnt comply with that request, either. The Clintons charitable initiatives were a kind of quasi-government run by themselves, which was staffed by their own loyalists and made up the rules as it went along. Their experience running the actual government, with its formal accountability and disclosure, went reasonably well. Their experience running their own privatized mini-state has been a fiasco.
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twodogsbarking
(9,795 posts)Cha
(297,560 posts)wish for.
Fuckers harass and Attack Jewish Students and Businesses when it is Hamas that Refuses to accept a Ceasefire.
Will those Anti Pres Biden Protesters EVER Address Hamas for a Ceasefire? Yeah I don't think that's on their Agenda.
Hamas Rejects Ceasefire
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218846756
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,961 posts)It's just good ol' fashioned protesters are nasty people that stop the political process. Forgetting, of course, that protesting is part of the political process.
But, don't bother responding. I know how this is going to go. Unless you want to engage about this particular article, then go ahead. If your response is going to keep the strawmen of "Genocide Joe" don't bother.
electric_blue68
(14,932 posts)Elessar Zappa
(14,033 posts)But I dont think theres enough of them to cause a repeat of 2016.
Cha
(297,560 posts)Voltaire2
(13,123 posts)In addition to boosting the Iraq War:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Chait#:~:text=In%20February%202016,House.%22%5B22%5D
There is a real illiberal political movement, a real authoritarian threat. It is of course the Republican Party. Chait is well aware of this, as he is a shill, not an idiot.
Whether or not I agree with some of the activities of some far-left groups doing some pretty weird types of protest, I am going to staunchly stand for those folks right to give hell to the center-left (most Democratic) politicians. Democratic candidates and the party are not entitled to the votes or approval - or even the silence - of everyone left-of-center. At the moment, there is a realistic democratic crisis on the horizon, and its name is GQP. Most of us are going to prioritize stopping the GQP (this cycle, anyway, TBD depending whether Dump causes the GQP to crater) over our disagreements with individual Democratic candidates. But Dem candidates can NOT count on this dynamic continuing, even this election cycle, among some traditionally Democratic communities who feel abandoned or betrayed. This is called politics in a troubled age. The party, and Dem candidates, must be prepared to address the tough issues and not dance around, or even make it clear that one constituency will be thrown under the bus in favor of another.
These kinds of complaints are not helpful to the party. They only serve to make some activists look thin-skinned, and the party exclusive.
MotownPgh
(85 posts)Despite many texts and communications from Summer Lee's campaign, I cannot get any definitive answer that she will support President Biden. I was thrilled to vote for her last time, and her primary opponent is supported by a republican pact, so it should be a no brainer. But I am concerned mightily. I do think she'll win I'm the primary but should I vote uncommitted to send her a message? This may or not be sarcasm.
Celerity
(43,485 posts)https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/03/summer-lee-primary-challenge-republican-00150278
Republican megadonor Jeff Yass recently gave to a super PAC that is trying to topple a progressive incumbent in Pittsburgh. The Moderate PAC, an outside group that aims to support centrist Democrats, has been boosting a primary challenge to Rep. Summer Lee, a member of The Squad. Lee and her supporters are quick to point out that Yass, a Pennsylvania businessperson, donated $1 million to the PAC in 2022, when it spent in support of Democratic Reps. Jared Golden of Maine and Don Davis of North Carolina. Yass has actually given more to the group in recent weeks, Moderate PACs president, Ty Strong, told POLITICO the first time that donation is being disclosed publicly.
Moderate PAC was formed last cycle, and received almost no donations last year. When the PAC began airing its first ad last month a contrast ad boosting Lees challenger Bhavini Patel, a member of the Edgewood Borough Council Strong said that it was funded by donations raised in Lees 12th District. Strong declined to say how much the billionaire gave this time around, saying the details will be disclosed in a campaign finance filing due later this month. He said he approached Yass in March, after receiving the donations from constituents in the district. I went to Jeff Yass and made a proposal, Strong said. He knew nothing about Summer. Hes a really wealthy guy, so he made a donation in line with his wealth. But theres other Pittsburgh people that are now seeing this and doing the same thing. And so its not Jeff Yass, its me and Pittsburgh who realized that this far-left member shouldnt be representing a D-plus-eight district. Strong said that Pittsburgh-based donations will match Yass contribution.
Yass is a major donor to the conservative Club for Growth. He has also been in headlines recently amid the congressional push for TikToks Chinese-owned parent company which Yass has investments in to sell the app. Strong said that Yass has no lean in this other than he likes a moderate Democrat, as opposed to a far-left Democrat. Hes obviously painted a certain way in the media, said Strong, a former financial analyst. But I realized that what he really cares about is that hes a libertarian, but hes also free market. And so with my economic background, I kind of talked about that. He does like certain Democrats, and he likes Bhavini as a Democrat.
Lee in a statement decried super PACs bankrolled by Republican billionaires, saying they have no place in our Democratic primaries or our democracy. I am never going to stop defending our abortion rights, protecting our public schools, or demanding billionaires pay their fair share, so I welcome being an enemy to an extremist like Jeffrey Yass, Lee said. Moderate PAC released its second ad on Tuesday, accusing Lee of opposing President Joe Biden. The group has placed more than $500,000 on television and digital advertising since the beginning of the year, according to ad tracker AdImpact. (Patels campaign has spent around $150,000.) Strong said that future investments will be dependent on fundraising, but the group will stay in the race and keep up at the same pace as long as we can.
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https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218802295
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218797308
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143216263
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218402594
https://prospect.org/blogs-and-newsletters/tap/2024-03-27-corrupt-trifecta-yass-trump-netanyahu/
Jeffrey Yass, in a recent corporate video
In the past few days, weve learned that Donald Trumps reversal on whether TikTok should be barred from the U.S. is mainly a payback to Trump mega-donor Jeff Yass, who owns 15 percent of TikToks Chinese parent company, ByteDance. But it gets so much worse. Now it turns out that Yasss money helped Trump reap a multibillion-dollar windfall when his social media company went public. Yasss company has been the biggest institutional shareholder of the shell company that has merged with Trumps Truth Social. What else do we need in this corrupt dance? How about the destruction of whats left of Israels democracy.
Yass is also a major donor to an Israeli think tank and strategy group, called the Kohelet Forum, that has been a prime architect of Netanyahus attempt at one-man rule, the weakening of Israels democracy, and the elimination of what remains of the rights of Palestinian citizens of Israel. Kohelets founder helped draft Israels Basic Law on the Nation-State, which took effect in 2018. This law established Jewish people as having the sole right to self-determination, and downgraded Arabic as one of Israels official languages. Kohelet also drafted the law that gives the Knesset, Israels parliament, the power to override Supreme Court decisions, and grants the government total control over judicial appointments. This is a core part of Netanyahus strategy for clinging to power by evading prosecution.
One of Kohelets close allies is the Shiloh Policy Forum, which promotes illegal settlements in the occupied West Bank and far-right Israeli politicians who support that policy. In the U.S., Eugene Kontorovich, head of Kohelets international law department and director of the Center for the Middle East and International Law at George Mason Universitys Antonin Scalia Law School, has been instrumental in the movement to brand all criticisms of Israeli policy as antisemitic.
If we connect these dots, they display Trumps effort to cash in by reversing his stance on China and U.S. national security, and the blowback between billionaire efforts to destroy democracy in Israel and similar moves to destroy it in the U.S. There is a dance between would-be dictators of similar mind (Trump and Netanyahu) and the oligarch who connects them. You might think that someone who professes to care about antisemitism would think twice about providing so much ammunition. But Yass??s cynicism knows no bounds, matched only by that of Trump and Netanyahu. The fates of democracy in the U.S. and in Israel are indeed linked. But not in the way the propagandists for AIPAC and Netanyahu would have us believe.
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related:
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-02-12/ty-article-magazine/.premium/the-kohelet-tentacles-these-organizations-operate-around-the-right-wing-think-tank/00000186-44c3-de50-a1af-76eb01860000
https://archive.is/np3ap
The Kohelet Policy Forum, a conservative think tank that seeks to broaden individual liberty and free-market principles in Israel, generally flew under the radar for the Israeli public. That is, until the unveiling of Justice Minister Yariv Levins controversial plan to overhaul the Israeli judicial system, thanks to the forums influence over the Israeli right and state institutions. It now appears that the Kohelet Policy Forum is not working alone in exerting this influence. An investigative report by Shomrim has found that the think tank has taken an entire network of organizations and associations under its wing and the connections between them are often obscure, downplayed or outright hidden from public scrutiny.
The Kohelet network can be divided into three categories. The first are organizations or associations, of which there are six, with a direct link to the Kohelet Policy Forum; most of them were established by officials from the forum or received funding from it. The second category is organizations that collaborate with the forum, and the third is organizations that share a managerial committee with them. In NGOs and civil society groups, it is a common and accepted practice for one large association to support several satellite groups, either financially or organizationally. This allows the larger groups to decentralize, and let groups with specialized knowledge handle particular issues. It also enables NGOs to maximize their resources and significantly increase the scope and influence of their activities.
In the past, right-wing Knesset members have been fiercely critical of so-called left-wing organizations which operated in this way. The New Israel Fund frequently draws ire from the Israeli right, which has argued that, due to the extent of the organizations activities of some of which the public is unaware the NIF should be reined in. Now it seems that the conservative, libertarian Kohelet Policy Forum has adopted similar tactics at least in some cases. In an interview with the Israeli newspaper Makor Rishon in October 2021, Prof. Moshe Koppel, the founder and chairman of the forum, was asked about this very issue but refused to give a clear answer.
The New Israel Fund gets donations and invests them; we are just a research institute, he said. Until recently, most of our work was internal, but not every project needs to be like that. If someone is crazy about a certain issue, why shouldnt they work directly with me? We can help them with whatever theyre lacking. When reached for comment, Kohelet said that these organizations are completely independent, and that the forum is proud to play its part in helping Israeli civil society of every type blossom.
From Pompeo to the teachers union...................................
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MotownPgh
(85 posts)like real answers from Lee's campaign. The best I can say is avoidant. Even in the debate, Patel asked her the same questions I have. Lee will win, but not sure she will have my vote in the primary
Celerity
(43,485 posts)Ask yourself:
Why is a RW, Trump and Chinese Communist Party adjacent (to the point he puppet-stringed Trump to do a 180 flip on TikTok), anti abortion billionaire is so hellbent on trying to destroy the first Black woman elected to Congress from Pennsylvania's political career, even when other pro Israel groups have pulled out of the race in terms of financial support?
https://www.semafor.com/article/04/09/2024/how-a-ceasefire-backing-progressive-scared-pro-israel-groups-out-of-her-race
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Lee has pulled some skeptics to her side with constituent work, rallied with the Biden campaign, and scooped up endorsements. That answered one of the most effective attacks against her in 2022 that shed undermine Biden and hurt her party. (Summer Lee attacked Bidens character, warned one of UDPs primary ads.) After looking closely at the race, pro-Israel groups decided that the primary wasnt winnable. Democrats such as New York Rep. Jamaal Bowman and Missouri Rep. Cori Bush, weakened by scandals totally unrelated to the Gaza issue, looked vulnerable. Lee did not.
https://summerlee.house.gov/posts/summer-lee-calls-out-complete-lack-of-evidence-in-republicans-sham-impeachment-president-biden-in-oversight-committee-hearing
Washington, DC In todays sham impeachment hearing, Rep. Lee pressed House Republicans for continuing to waste Congressional resources on an investigation that has yet to uncover even a modicum of evidence supporting their claims that President Biden committed an impeachable offense. Rep. Lee pointed out that Committee Republicans star witness, Tony Bobulinskis claims about meeting with Joe Biden were overblown and over exaggerated and that his purported evidence had been debunked and dismissed. You can read Rep. Lees full line of questioning below. This is the second impeachment hearing Rep. Lee has participated in in Oversight, the first being in September.
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TheRealNorth
(9,500 posts)He's a self-proclaimed liberal that is really a neocon that believes in gay marriage and a social safety net (maybe). He was wrong about Iraq. He is wrong about this as well.
Aristus
(66,446 posts)n/t
EarlG
(21,965 posts)Seems more like "same as it ever was" to me. There's always been a reactionary far-left anti-Democratic Party fringe -- in fact DU used to be populated by many such people prior to the schism of 2016, the outcome of which I think served to mostly separate the fringe from the rest of the party, and sent not a small number of those people spiraling off in the direction of Donald Trump. The current protesters don't seem that different from the protestors of the past -- they're making a loud noise because they're on the outside looking in.
It seems clear to me that in many ways the Democratic Party has moved to the left over the last 20 years. The Blue Dogs of yesteryear are mostly gone -- but you can still hardly call the Democratic Party as a whole a radical organization. It's leftward shift is mostly rooted in sensible, realistic policies designed to actually help people. So I think it's off the mark to talk about these protesters "destroying" the party.
If Chait wants to see a political party that has been utterly destroyed by its fringe, all he has to do is look across the aisle at the Republican Party, which has been completely taken over by radicals, and is now an organization with no principles or policies beyond "owning the libs" and catering to the every whim of a felonious rapist.
IbogaProject
(2,834 posts)Last edited Wed Apr 10, 2024, 12:18 AM - Edit history (1)
I'm pro Palestinian buyt there is no way I'm not supoorting our party, even if I want less arms spending and more spending to help the bottom 75% .
Edited to clarify I support Biden.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)family dying and living in danger in Gaza. If I did I might feel different, I don't know.
JustAnotherGen
(31,869 posts)I call them Trumpers.
Fla Dem
(23,736 posts)They've always been a pain in the ass for Democrats. In the end, they rarely have any impact on the final outcome.
Shermanator
(37 posts)When I look at how conservatives fall in line behind Trump as a means to an end it disgusts me, so why would I expect our side to do it?
bluescribbler
(2,121 posts)The "Illiberal Left" have not been able to take over the party. nor did they take up arms to prevent the government from doing its statutory duty.
SidneyR
(84 posts)that many Palestinians fully support Hamas. And they are fundamentalists who hate LGBTQ people and do not believe in women's rights in the least. Not enough people have seen the Hamas body cam footage. They gleefully filmed their slaughter and rape in October and afterwards. One video shows Hamas fighters dragging away a hostage and then turning him over to a crowd of Palestinian civilians who proceeded to stomp on him with their entire weight after he fell, clearly breaking ribs and killing him. Other videos show women with blood all over their backsides as they are being shoved into a truck. At least one hostage who got away was captured by civilians and brought back to Hamas fighters, who beat him. Leftists who think Palestinians are just innocent victims are delusional.
marybourg
(12,634 posts)against the middle class whit(er) people because it makes them feel good about themselves. Of course, some are actual Palestinians whove immigrated to this country, but left their loyalty behind.
Think. Again.
(8,361 posts)....against the middle class whit(er) people wouldn't make you feel good about yourself?
marybourg
(12,634 posts)Think. Again.
(8,361 posts)electric_blue68
(14,932 posts)Wow 😑
BannonsLiver
(16,439 posts)LeftInTX
(25,521 posts)He had an Instagram page the Free Press reviewed previously, but it has since been deleted. In a post last year, Bazzi last year criticized secular liberalism, LGBTQ people and abortion. MEMRI on Tuesday released another report on some of Bazzi's remarks against Israel made at a rally in 2021.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/wayne/2024/04/09/dearborn-mayor-rejects-death-to-america-chants-at-protest/73254682007/
He's a former member of the student senate at Wayne State University. He's an activist, he's got followers. In spite of his inflammatory rhetoric against America, he certainly is not left wing. Yet people like him become darlings of these protest movements.
He's anti-colonist because secular ideas are taught in public schools. Everyone see buzz words like anti-colonist and think "cool".
No different than those GOP voucher people in Texas.
Warpy
(111,332 posts)"The left" in the Democratic Party has been unfunded and marginalized so long that few remain, certainly not enough to destroy the party which is, after all, the bigger of the two parties. And of course, "th left" is the great bogeyman.
Instead of squawking about the nearly nonexistent "the left" like it's some sort of monolithic, enormous, well funded* machine, maybe this asshole should take a look at where criticism is coming from and why and whether or not it's valid. That might make a decent article.
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S/he's just another knee jerk jerk in this article. Not this shit again. Spare me. Really.
*must be that other big bogeyman, Soros, doing the funding.
Lovie777
(12,321 posts)We will be united.
PortTack
(32,788 posts)sop
(10,233 posts)the Democratic party. They didn't actually tell people to vote Republican, they just created a lot of discord among Democrats. #WalkAway had its own Facebook page with over half a million followers:
"The #WalkAway campaign was a social-media campaign that was launched ahead of the 2018 mid-term elections with the stated purpose of encouraging liberals to leave the Democratic Party. The campaign, which also organized events to support Donald Trump, was noted and criticized for its astroturfing methods and the claim that there was a popular movement of people leaving the party."
"In 2021, the group's founder, Brandon Straka, a hairstylist from New York City, was charged with and convicted of participating in the 1/6 Capitol attack. Following this, the group's Facebook page, which had more than half a million followers, was closed for violations of the site's terms of service."
betsuni
(25,603 posts)on PBS or NPR (now can't remember which).
mdmc
(29,072 posts):kick:
Ford_Prefect
(7,918 posts)decided who was a good Democrat and who was not. At the time this was aggravated by RW News and social media, including Putin's trolls.
A real schism between the dominant faction supporting Hillary and what was at that time the progressive wing the Democratic party meant that people who had supported the party and who had worked hard to get Democrats elected felt their voices were no longer heard at party headquarters.
I observed this from my perch in North Carolina. I am not advocating that those who felt so were in any way right to refuse to vote for the candidate, especially given the choice.
What I saw was that the perception of an indifferent elite running the party was borne out by how the party organized in NC and elsewhere. Many progressives felt as many POC have: that the party demanded our vote without respecting our needs or even listening to them.
While the relevant groups are different the perception issue is a real one and must be addressed substantially. Angry howls on either side do not assuage genuine differences of policy. The same mistakes made, whether in 1968 or 2016, will make all Democrats suffer.
electric_blue68
(14,932 posts)A very sore subject for me.
I turned against the Vietnam War in 1967. I was 14. I started paying attention to Politics as my dad had me helping him put flyers under our apt building neighbors' doors by the time I was 12 or 13 in '65, '66! 😄
Having paid intermittent attention to AG, then Sen RFK since I am an NYC'r I wanted him to run. No offense to Sen McCarthy. Was rather fed up with Humphrey.
June 5, 6 shattered me.
But finally looking at Nixon, and blanching at Wallace about 6+ weeks before the Election I jumped full in to volunteering for HHH.
Torchlight
(3,360 posts)Ben Bagdikian alluded to it before it was even a thing in his prescient book, The Media Monopoly, and The Politics of Manufactured Outrage Action by Rufus Jimerson really gives an in-depth laymans' course in observing and recognizing it.
Both really insightful and well-sourced books that provide ample examples of the loaded words of choice and how they are used.
Basic LA
(2,047 posts)Two different magazines, not that it matters really in this case, but for accuracy.
Chait has been a columnist at New York magazine since 2011.
JohnSJ
(92,372 posts)Basic LA
(2,047 posts)Third paragraph in the OP said New Yorker writer Chait, but I know he's with NY mag. Great writer, actually. I think he used to be the theater critic.
Anyway, a small nitpick.
Voltaire2
(13,123 posts)The New Yorker is a prestigious globally renowned magazine and New York is not that at all.
Basic LA
(2,047 posts)I get both magazinesfor decades now.
BTW, NY mag now is biweekly. It's a lively read. Also, strangely, I think Rupert Murdock owned it (and the Village Voice) at one time.
intheflow
(28,497 posts)You don't actually give a shit about women's bodily autonomy, you're fine with outlawing abortion and birth control, you're fine with women and doctors being arrested for even talking about abortions and birth control.
You're fine with giving all the oil companies free reign on the National Parks and every polluting industry getting complete immunity to trash our planet with impunity.
You think it's okay for LGBTQ and BIPOC people to live in constant fear of their lives, and to roll back their rights 100 years.
You don't believe Russia is controlling the Republican Party, adn even if they are, you're not bothered by that.
All because Biden hasn't waved a wand and magically brought peace to the MIddle East. You care more about Palestinians than you care about your fellow countrymen. Because there is no way in hell we can be expected to clean up the rest of the world's messes until we get our own house in order. WTAF are they thinking?!
SocialDemocrat61
(623 posts)Some have labeled AOC a war monger because she voted for aide to Ukraine.
electric_blue68
(14,932 posts)Scruffy1
(3,256 posts)The "far left" is just another news media trope. It is tiny and composed of many splinter groups that hate each other. They have no electoral power so they just get visibility with demonstrations. Hardly any of them vote. Being the noisiest in the room tends to turn off a lot of people. Having lived in an area with a whole lot of Palestinians I can safely say that they understand the nuances of foreign policy. Quite simply, though I abhor Israelis treatment of Gaza I know that Biden is not the Prime minister of Israel and has little power over it. When you add in AIPAC power it becomes a treacherous mine field . The real danger to the Democratic party is that we buy Fox news "far left" label and become a lockstep party that denigrates any one who does not tow the party line 100%. Being 75 years old I have never agreed with everything that the party or President does, but the alternative is madness. The real goal of the R's is to normalize fascism.
Think. Again.
(8,361 posts)electric_blue68
(14,932 posts)...
Maybe as a NYC'r who went to a college in The Village (just at the juncture of The Village, and The East Village (with the West Village about ?1/2 mile+ west of that juncture) where a bunch of the Far Left like Socialist Worker's Party had headquarters not that far away.
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They'd stand in our big, wide hallway which partly had offices on one side, and the big cafeteria on the other with their sourpuss faces hawking their newspaper.
Way ...NOT... to win friends, and influence people. 😄😑
They left an unpleasant experience that has faintly lasted. So maaaaybe they're less around that I think?
Bristlecone
(10,130 posts)By Sky Palma.
Talk about a porn star name
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marble falls
(57,172 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,439 posts)And they don't give two shits about the only game in American politics right now which is keeping crazy people out of office. They don't care about winning elections. There's very little difference between the contempt I have for Dump supporters and the contempt I have for the insufferable whiny dopes on the far left.
Rob H.
(5,352 posts)Last edited Wed Apr 10, 2024, 04:19 PM - Edit history (1)
fascists no matter how dangerous their actions and ideas were and yesterday on X, he said (presumably with a straight face), "Jamie Raskin tried to deliver a speech about democracy. Biden-haters shut him down. is this fascism?"
And then there's this:
"Maybe that makes me a sociopath," the columnist told his colleagues.
By Ashley Feinberg
Jul 26, 2018, 03:35 PM EDT
(...)This wasnt an accelerationist argument. This came in response to a question about how Chait and Traister balance their roles as citizens with their roles as journalists. Were they at all happy for the tremendous content of a Trump era? (This idea comes up a lot among journalists. In Showtimes documentary about The New York Times, executive editor Dean Baquet, after watching Trumps inauguration address, marvels out loud: What a story. What a fucking story.)
Traister went first and gave the right answer, which is no, one employee, whos been granted anonymity to speak freely about an off-the-record meeting, told HuffPost. She said there isnt a single molecule of her that is happy Trump won and that well all face repercussions for generations.
Chait, however, answered the question with an affirmative one hundred percent.
(...)
But in the New York meeting, he was glibber. He compared the situation to Jerry Seinfelds bit about how, from the back seat of a cab, the whole world outside becomes entertainment, the New York magazine staffer explained. He said hes deadened his emotions to a point where he doesnt get emotionally involved with the Trump situation.
According to the staffer, Chait said with a laugh: Maybe that makes me a sociopath. Some of the employees in attendance said the group was stunned by Chaits response; others were less surprised to hear this sentiment come from a self-described disenfranchised white man.
Hard pass on taking anything he says seriously.
Think. Again.
(8,361 posts)...Chait's "op-ed" could rightfully be considered a rightwing talking point and should probably not have been posted here.
Rob H.
(5,352 posts)the phrase, The enemy of my enemy is my friend a little too far a little too easily.
Think. Again.
(8,361 posts)...for a position you strongly agree with because you might face being silenced completely...
....while at the same time being accused of being anti-Democratic.
The mind boggles.
Littlered
(17 posts)There are so many on the far left that would throw away the small gains we can make, in favor of unrealistic pie in the sky naïveté. They are the ones that gave us bush, and later Trump.
Celerity
(43,485 posts)"Maybe that makes me a sociopath," the columnist told his colleagues.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jonathan-chait-trump-won-election_n_5b58e32ee4b0fd5c73cb5236/
(Asking for a friend)
SouthernDem4ever
(6,617 posts)then yes, he's a sociopath.
pfitz59
(10,388 posts)will try to divide the Dem vote or get folks to not vote in 'protest'. Oldest trick in electoral politics.