All this time I have been dreaming about flying and puppies.


I could have been getting laid.

I wouldn't say no.

just get right here darling, that's my thought!

I see what you did there

We are on the same page!

oh DU people...

Someone send me a PM if they know of one...I'm getting desperate!

......it's medieval superstition being revived by the Religious Right, people who deny science and affirm ancient superstition.

Edited to add this link: Carl Sagan was right: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021884292

It's scary. There is no reasoning with them when they believe God is behind them.

sounds like they have experience

These guys disapprove of demonic sex, because it might lead to gay sex...

Okay, got it.

Why don't Baptists have sex standing up?

It looks too much like dancing.

Now that sounds like a porn star name!

in the Leather/Whips and Chains genre.

The kind one has to know the porn shop operator to even enter the room where the video is stored.

but I am all in favor of demons if they make people happy.

Actually the incubus and succubus were created to explain away sex dreaming. Obviously no moral religious person would ever allow himself to think about that, so there must be some kind of demon attacking him when he's asleep and vulnerable!

And of course, if the dream was a "wet" one, forgiveness had to be begged.

I don't know why Christianity turned into such a sex phobic cult but somewhere along the line, it took a very wrong turn and did.

And they're out there even today. And they vote. Scary.

and generally terrifying awesomeness.

The most effective way to control people is to control their sexuality. Churches put sex into the "sin" category. Because most people have a sex drive, calling it sinful bonds you more tightly to the church.

I do not think this statement is accurate. I am no expert, but the way I understand it it may not be genes at all, not genetic, but more related to embryology. I believe the correct term Is congenital, which does not necessarily mean genetic inheritance.

Just a quibble on terminology, but I think a very important distinction.

I do wish people writing articles on science would at least learn the terminology. Words meanings matter in science.

Although there is still dispite, gender expression is almost certainly not inherited through some simple gene expression.

How do you know?

You are saying I am a congential DEFECT?

Not to qucibble or anything.

That sexuality has a heritable component. But that it is potentially more plastic than a simple "hard wired" model would suggest. I think that this is where the scientific consensus is right now.

But it's almost Poe-like in telling the difference between real and feigned outrage on DU these days. There probably really are people who believe all congenital conditions are defects.

Which says absolutely nothing about defect.

There are many congenital traits in all life on earth.

Look up the fucking word before you go off on me. My post was about the known science, and how the OP article has it wrong that LGBT is inherited, not about any claim for defect.

Gees!

Again! Look up "congenital" and you'll see what I was attempting to say.

Thanks for your response.

What the fuck did *I* do but make the same fucking point, better and earlier than you just did?

Again! Look up the words "reply to" and you'll understand.

And who said it was, to use your word, a "defect"? I certainly would not. I believe you were the one to introduce the word.

My quibble was that the article stated that homosexuality was inherited, which no science is saying is true.

So lighten up my friend.

Congenital does not necessarily mean inherited. Look it up. What science does say about homosexuality is that it is decidedly not a choice.

But there is substantive evidence that it is congenital. Whether that is genetic has not been determined, AFAIK. Data indicates rather strongly that it is not genetic, but related to embryology. That's within the perview of congenital.

I am using subtle scientific language here. The whole point of my post was to bring rationality to the dialog. Please understand that distinction.

Thanks much.

Genetic with possibly some embronic influences.

Can you link your studies?

From reliable sources, like SGU, and other science and Skeptical blogs. They would have links to sources. Apparently the science is still fuzzy on precisely what the biological influences are, which is why I deliberately used the more loosely interpreted term "congenital".

AFAIK, the thinking is that it may be linked to developmental embryology, which does not have to have genetic components.

I am interested but I am not up to date on it, only what I read on the science blogs. Unfortunately, I have no access to the science literature sites to do a search. But I am sure that there's a lot out there.

My field is physics and math, so I am way out of my domain here. My posts are my reading of what's been reported by informed science people in the disciplines.

Here you go:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraternal_birth_order_and_male_sexual_orientation

Links to several studies that suggest having a large number of older brothers increases the odds of later sons being gay due to possibly an immune response in the mother's uterus.

I've seen other studies that hypothesize that nature selects for this phenomenon because after having several sons to carry on the genes, it's beneficial to have additional sons who can help hunt and raise the kids but who won't have biological kids of their own and raise the population so quickly beyond what the environment can support.

Obviously all still just theories but I think it is an interesting phenomenon and explanation.

I am gay, and I would appreciate it if straight people would stop speculating about how I am who I am. I'm certainly not a congenital defect. Thanks in advance for minding your own business.

The sole purpose of my post here was to call out some particularly bad science writing which claims -- in the first paragraph -- that science has shown homosexuality is inherited.

That is clearly wrong!

I apologize if I did not make my post very clear. My purpose was to clarify that science does not have a clear indication on LGBT. I was debunking the article in the OP, which AFAIK, is categorically wrong.

Science studies this stuff because it is interesting. Homosexuality is common throughout many, many fauna including our closest primate cousins. It seems that only humans revile it, something I am decidedly not doing here.

The reviling of LGBT may be unique in the animal kingdom to humans. Of course human scientists are going to study it.

Things are better on DU now, but for a long time there was a great deal of homophobia here, and some of us are a little sensitive. It wasn't clear to me what you were saying, so I appreciate your polite follow-up post.

I sometimes come off brashly when my intent is to be merely direct.

The science of LGBT is interesting, especially since there are a whole lot of people saying it is a choice, which the science clearly debunks. The only way us reasonable people can defend our social positions is to defend the science, whatever it states.

Nature is what nature is. The universe is what the universe is. They are the final arbiters in just about everything.

Thanks much for your response.


On edit: stoooopid iPhone spell correct.

A person posts something. Another poster reacts negatively. The first poster takes the time to explain. The second poster says how much they appreciate the clarification. The two posters go out for root beer.

But I never drive after drinking one.

My martini's are good, too. Gin, vermouth, dash of Angostura, stirred, served exceptionally cold. I never drive after one of those either.

I had no talent for drinking so I gave it up years ago. Before I quit I could make a mean margarita, though.

and figured it out at 15. It isn't a defect with me or with you, it is a defect with people that can't get over the fact that some people just aren't attracted to them. Not all of us fit in traditional roles, or want to. It can be a hard road. But it's a road that has meaning and fulfillment and family for many of us.

Boy, these guys are sharp. If you need the sarcasm thingy, I can do it for you.

I suggest a demon sex exhibit at the creation museum.

Except with the rabid right it would probably involve exploiting children.

Try as I might, I have lost all faith that the Christian right stands for anything but exploiting those that are vulnerable.

That's an interesting statement from a magazine like that.

I think that you and I saw the same thing there.

from Canada.

I had to link a video from it. And there is no such thing as watching too much Lost Girl, particularly Bo and Lauren episodes, in my opinion. Anna Silk is sexy as hell, and Zoie Palmer is just as gorgeous. Together, those two are explosive.

but I figured if people were interested enough, they'd find it.

I agree about their chemistry--it is explosive.

And you know what?

Angels are totally intersex and bi-gender!!!

I got pictures. Sheesh! Oh ye of little faith!




And, btw, don't even think about asking to see the video!

I'm putting demons on my "Do Not Fuck" list.

Or maybe some erotic dreams are not caused by demon sex? It is so confusing trying to keep up with the latest fundy facts.

Damn.

When I was younger I would dream of naked women on riding mowers.

naked lawn mowers riding women?

I recall that dream!

But an old girlfriend once told me of a fantasy that she harbored involving a certain gardener, who knocked on her door ... all sweaty ... from a long day of cutting lawns ...

I was happy to get into character!

I thought we destroyed all the copies!

I'm ruined ... Well ... Maybe not!

BTW, lose the black socks.

But my feet get cold!

... I believe her biblical name is "my ex-wife".

Or fortunately, as you prefer...

to meet these succubus persons of whom they speak?

they really think it's true. That's sad and scary at the same time.

I guess that explains those nocturnal emissions...

The worst were the ones who called the next day wanting another date.

They're way more persistent than Demons.

Fascinating and horrifying rolled up in one big ball of OMG!

I can't even get mad it's so sad and pathetic

aside from knowing there is a small percentage of people who buy it.

Damn!!! Now I have to worry about the demons crawling inside my head at night and making me all queer and stuff!!!!! WACKO'S!!!!!!

Moreso every day.

With my luck, a Lolcat.

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and possibly changing your user name

but I did remove the comment, it was a bit much.

(Producent religions are the ones that mainly, in the past, have denied the existence of such demons) Now they are saying the are real and can make you gay. I can't wait to see what they come you with next!

I'd love to try sex with a Demon but the closest I've come was with my ex-wife. Still straight though -- not quite sure what's wrong with me.

ETA: how do you go about finding a REAL demon anyway? Do they carry Union cards?

Another myth shattered....

Someone have the fundies send a demon over for me to try... Don't care which, I just gotta make sure it's as good as they say

NOT. WTF?

and demons are way up there, on the list of
naughty forbidden dangers.

Jesus blessing the dinosaurs.

Mental illness or lying or both are a hallmark of Contessa Adams life.

They must have been educated in the same system as Todd Akin who we know as an expert on women's reproduction process.

Morans.

Can they get any nuttier?

...me gay.

That makes me...a WARLOCK, MOTHERFUCKERS!!!



PB

sooooo, this makes just about as much sense.

eom

Of having demon sex. So not only is the gay person a by-product of demon sex, but the mother is guilty of it! Terrible.
tib

Just wondering, that's all.

And I'm waiting for my next date with Freya (she's not a succubus but a Goddess. I'm sure they would consider her a demon though)


Maybe she'll surprise me with a visit tonight! I ought to head to bed I don't want to miss her!

Can you point to one single verified instance in which a person who had sex with a demon did NOT turn gay? For all your mockery, can you produce even one bit of solid evidence to disprove Contessa's explanation? Hmmm?

I'm waiting....

By morning, I knew beyond all doubt that s/he wasn't lyin'. Yep. mmmm, uh-huh..definitely an angel.

But, alas, because I was born LGBT, I cannot prove that our encounter made me gay; it simply made me very, very, very....very, very, very, very glad that I am.

Poor, misguided Contessa has it all backwards, an unfortunate trait that all ignorant, hateful, bigoted RW conservative religious people share.

?
Caption: RW conservative christian homophobes perform
Ceremony of Hate at Church Services in rural Westboro, Kansas.

You see, sadly, they believe that the devil is god, that god is the devil. That hate is Love, and that Love is hate. Naturally, therefore, they see angels as demons, and demons as angels. It's really very sad. Tragic, in fact. And extremely deadly.


This fact is as plain as day to every reasonable human being.

Anyway...oh...hey, I gotta go. I hear the beating of giant wings outside my window...

Alas, I fear the demons have the power to erase photos from a hard drive or a camera's memory.

And rest assured, the warning about the video goes for you, too.

But you knew that