Headline to follow:
Iran feels like they have to respond. And Israel says Iran will definitely be met with a severe response.
Until:
Israel feels like" they have to respond. And Iran says Israel "will definitely be met with a severe response"

Ad infinitum until everyone meets their God who tells them how bestial they are, and the retraining begins. Innocents go directly to Heaven, unless they choose to go back to earth, a seemingly very addictive experience.

not leaders the both of them . Send Iran a strongly worded letter and call them poopy heads that should do it.

"leaders" use the loss of other's lives in conflict like a justification of themselves and they trot it around with them as though it is their right to treat it like a "hero's robe" for themselves. So they revel in the "glory" of battle and pull the edges of their stolen robe ever tighter around them. They are like a parasite on the body of humanity.

rocks.

its Gazan crimes against humanity & naked West Bank land grab, suddenly attacks Iran out of nowhere in a blatant Act of War, without even giving the US a heads up.

Then when Iran retaliates--as it must-- in a rather performative & ultimately harmless way, Israel now shrieks that it was attacked for no reason and must strike back.

What the hell is Bibi playing at?

So there's extra pressure on Biden to do something, which goes down after election day.

That makes sense. Sad to see Uncle Sam under Bibi's thumb.

They hit Iran, Iran saved face with a minimal retaliatory strike that was mostly intercepted. They just need to leave things be.

If Iran is going to direct its minions to attack Israel it is ridiculous to think that they aren't a legitimate target in this war.

Not by lobbing ballistic missiles across the continent and over Arab countries' air space.

Lebanon and Syria pretty much "look the other way" when Israel attacks Hezbollah on their territories. It shows that those countries are indifferent to Hezbollah. Lebanon has laws which restrict it's representation. They don't support Palestinians becoming citizens because they don't want more Sunnis. However, they don't want more Shias either. Lebanon is required to have a Sunni prime minister and Maronite Christian president. Lebanon tolerates Hezbollah, but they don't want it either. The only benefit that Hezbollah provides to Lebanon is protection from Israel. Israel is a thorn in Lebanon's side. I haven't heard of the US speaking with Lebanese leaders. I haven't heard of Israel holding any talks with Lebanese leaders.
I know Lebanon is a mess, but that's where Hezbollah is making home. Lebanon used to be a decent place. I can't imagine them tolerating their country being overrun by Islamic clerics.

Lebanon's allocated parliament seats based on the census

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliament_of_Lebanon#:~:text=There%20are%20128%20members%20elected,Muslims%20per%20Constitutional%20Article%2024.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Lebanon_relations

They can try to take out Iran's drone and arm's sites, which will consume huge resources and will piss off all the other Arab countries in the way.
They will fail to take out Iran's nuclear program.


I personally think numerous cyber attacks will be the most effective. Intercept their communications with Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthis etc.

They deserve every missile Israel rams up their ass.

Because that Trump fuck Netanyahu does that, he drags us in. It's a win for him either way amirite?

It is called being an ally, you back them up when they are attacked, just as most of the world backed the US after 9/11.

ally should be ignored? Do you understand that if Israel goes after Iran the US gets dragged in? Other countries get dragged in?

As for Iraq you do know that Iraq did not attack the US on 9 11?


Biden tells Netanyahu ‘take the win’ and do not escalate after thwarted Iran attack on Israel

https://thehill.com/video/biden-tells-netanyahu-%e2%80%98take-the-win%e2%80%99-and-do-not-escalate-after-thwarted-iran-attack-on-israel/9606905/

No nation should have have to put up with decades of state sponsored terrorism

Nutanyhoo bombed Iran first and Iran retaliated. President Biden told him to take the win but that guy is as fucking stupid as his good friend Trump.

Not worth it just to inflate that asshole' Netanyahu's ego and keep him from being kicked to the curb.

The reason is that he has a conscious and knows Israel is right in defending its self against a terrorist nation.

and you would like to escalate it to full-on anal rape

That says alot about you.

ally the US president has to say.

Iran launched over 300 weapons at Israel. That's a massive attempted strike by any measure. The fact that is was mostly intercepted is beside the point. Can you imagine some power lobbing 300 missiles and drones in to the USA and us just sayin "yeah, fair enough... evensies..."

However much we might hate on Nutandyahoo, that's just not likely to happen, IMO.

And trying to downplay the scale of Iran's attempted attack just doesn't help, IMO.

The analysis of the situation I heard on NPR yesterday morning made it sound less serious, at least in terms of actual damage, but at any rate, how is a response by Israel not going to contribute to more tit-for-tat responses that could easily spiral out of control.

So US & Israel had lots of time to prepare. Now some reports are coming out that US shot down lots of missles before they even entered Israel air space

Iran mainly went after the air bases - some hit but no real damage - just runways & stuff - but some believe Iran didn’t want to do any damage but show they were able to penetrate the most sophisticated anti missile system - probably best protected air fields in the world. WHO really knows - just repeating Independent journalists.

One anti missile on Iron Dome battery costs about $50/60 thousand where drones are usually $200 to $10,000 to $20,000 so I keep reading 1.25 billion was spent to shoot down about 4 million in drones.

Who do you think supplies all the weapons and training for Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis, that Israel built Iron Dome to defend against?

There's no "suddenly" about it. Israel has been shooting down Iranian munitions for years now.

Frankly, after the Houthis almost scored a hit on a US destroyer this winter, by operators trained by Iranian special forces, with an Iranian missile guided by Iranian coordination, even the US had reasonable grounds to strike Iranian targets if Biden wanted to. Thankfully he showed remarkable constraint.

That said, I hope that Israel takes the win and decides not to strike, for the greater good of the region.

But the US provided & maintains the Iron Dome, I thought. Just as the US provides & finances much of Israel's war machine, like that used to slaughter tens of thousands of helpless Gaza civilians.
Let Israel fight its own battles. It's a nuclear power after all, and a major drain on our economy & good will.
And they could've had the courtesy of a heads up before committing an act of war against Iran in a major destabilization. That crossed the line and was disrespectful to President Biden, who has bent over backwards for them.
Cut them loose and cut all funding, for a start. Then we'll see about reestablishing & imposing the two-state solution, which is way overdue, and the main cause of strife in the region.

We have 2 - I believe - one we keep in USA & one we use abroad.

Sounds like Raytheon coordinates with Israel making many of the anti missile batteries. Anyway, we make the interceptor missles and each of the Iron dome batteries holds 60 to 80 interceptor missiles. One interceptor missile costs around $60 thousand & looks like we give or sell them to Israel so US spent lots of money protecting Israel in this last attack.

The US also jointly developed “the Arrow” & “David’s Sling” plus Israel also has US Patriots- all used in Israel and jointly made with US except for the US made Patriot. The Arrow was also used to intercept missiles in the Iran attack. We also make the Arrow intercept missiles. Over a billion dollars worth of American missiles to shoot down about 4 million dollars worth of drones.

So much of our money going to Israel while they are slaughtering babies.

Arrow, David’s Sling , Patriot —

https://apnews.com/article/israel-iran-missile-defense-iron-dome-arrow-bbf6330918da036f2e000360556a81f6

I retired early (55) from the Hughes Aircraft plant here after 32 years, tho the last 8 years it was owned by Raytheon. They're the ones who cut all retiree health insurance. Luckily I had the VA.

I recall a few years back when there were barrages of rockets launched at Israel, seriously depleting the stock of missiles for the Iron Dome, there was a lot of opposition to helping Israel replenish.

What is wrong with ID and other Israeli ABM systems?

If not what does them having nuclear weapons do to with anything here?

This is just a silly talking point that makes no functional sense and is a backdoor call for the destruction of Israel or the nuclear annihilation of their enemies because I don't see what else is hoped for.

I'm asking why such an extremely rich nation, with the magnificent wealth to possess a 1st class nuclear arsenal, still needs to vacuum up billions upon billions of dollars each year from Uncle Sam?
I think they're big enough now to move out and get their own apartment, so to speak.
Let's cut off every cent and support a more deserving land like, say, Palestine.

with the necessary conventional systems.

Palestine deserving? They are a theocratic haven for terrorism existing only as a genocidal protest "society" and beachhead.

They need to surrender unconditionally.

Why, for being bulldozed out of their own country and be militarily occupied? Was that their crime? I always wondered why Israel treats them like dirt.

“ still needs to vacuum up billions upon billions of dollars each year from Uncle Sam?”

Because we are Israel’s unwitting proxy.

Their doofus sugar daddy.

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Retaliating will only make things worse.


Even Bret Stephens wrote an op ed..."Revenge is a dish served best cold"...urging restraint.

Right now, Israel is seeing a flood of support from Europe.
They need to embrace it, not repel it.

Enrichment centers like Fordow and Natanz.

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Much less bloodshed than bombing nuclear facilities.

Just sow dissent within Iran, so that the hardliners topple themselves due to mistrust.

It’s not going anywhere, at least for a while.
Neither the US or Israel have any capacity to ‘stage a coup’ in Iran.

Iran of today is too ironclad...

They do have supersonic missiles.

This whole thing is horrific.

After war cabinet meets, Israeli official says plan is to keep Iran guessing on response

The reduced war cabinet met over lunch today, an Israeli source tells The Times of Israel, to discuss a response to the Iranian missile and drone attack.

For now, Israel’s thinking is that there is no harm in keeping Iran guessing by delaying a potential response. “Let them be anxious,” says the Israeli source.

The response could be “within Iran or outside Iran,” the source continues.

The majority position in the cabinet is that Israel should respond forcefully to Iran’s unprecedented strike.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/after-war-cabinet-meets-israeli-official-says-plan-is-to-keep-iran-guessing-on-response/

I include Iran as one of those terrorists.

Each side wanting to get "The Last Word".

They fired on Iran's asset, then Iran fires on them. Israel doesn't possess the moral high ground here. And, I don't think that Israel can win without the United States backing them. Do we want to fight a war on behalf of Israel? A war that they are instigating?

I think this tit-for-tat philosophy is juvenile. Israel has some agenda on its mind other than peace. It would have been helpful if they had postured themselves with a limited response to October 7th. Yes, if it had been my family, I would be full of hate. But you can't handle yourself such that the rest of the world gets sucked in.

I desperately want Ukraine to be helped. To me, this is unfinished business and takes priority, especially when Israel can stand down virtually everything it is doing while diplomacy lurks offstage. They do not have to do this. It does seem to me that they are trying to draw the United States into fighting a massive war on their behalf.

Netanyahu is not an idiot, he is just ‘ethically challenged’.

Unless he has better intel then you do...

Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin rejects accusations Israel has committed genocide in Gaza

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/defense-secretary-lloyd-austin-rejects-accusations-israel-committed-ge-rcna147031

I wouldn't really call responding to one or two bombs dropped on one building with 12 dead not even in your home country the same as firing back 170 drones and 30 cruise missiles and 110 ballistic missiles at the other nation as "tit-for-tat"

Iran way over responded IMO and attacked Israel directly, opening the door to a more serious response from Israel.

And attacking military sites in Israel is more ethical than Iran bombing an embassy in some 3rd country.

I also didn't say that you support bombing civilians and diplomats, but I thought it. I didn't say it because I didn't want to derail the discussion.

Except they didn't bomb the Embassy but a annex building next door.

And a building being used by Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps to plan & finance attacks on Israel is a military target.

Especially considering what US adversaries are known to do within their embassies.

but this is the way a massive war will start, far worse than the mess we have right now. Is that what you visualize as a good thing? Especially since the United States will, of necessity, have to support Israel. I would like to point out that certain other countries would love to directly strike the US as some sort of war partner of Israel, as we always play the heavy when things go wrong. It doesn't matter what we did or didn't do.

As for it not mattering what Israel did when it is in an entirely different country, there are ways to look at it. That's why embassies in foreign countries are sacrosanct in terms of what you can do to them. Israel is widening the war, something our President has warned them about. It's bad enough that the shipping has been attacked by those supported by Iran; that is something that can't be left unanswered. But, where is the wisdom of bombing an Iranian embassy inside Syria? Should Syria then exercise restraint and not retaliate? Or, do they also have a righteous bitch about it?

Sometimes, you have to do what you have to do in order to avoid a worse scenario. Israel has been stupid. I don't blame them one bit for the reaction they had over Oct. 7th. I think Hamas has to be eradicated. But, do you see them bombing Qatar to get those Hamas leaders, or Egypt, where Hamas is also located? Then, why did they have to bomb inside Syria? They're looking pretty stupid here.

If your thinking is correct, then we should have armed Ukraine to the teeth, created that no fly zone, and allowed them to bomb deep inside Russia as they fight to save their entire country. But, we didn't want to start WW3 with Russia or anyone else.

I don't want the US drawn into a Middle East war, when things were looking rather positive between certain foreign countries who are willing to accept peaceful coexistence with Israel. It is looking like Israel is using Oct. 7th to start a massive war with Iran; it's not just Gaza, or the WB, but the whole country of Iran that they want to annihilate. You can't do that.

We all know that Iran is a troublemaker. I'd like to see their population rise up in defense of their women, and become more open and free. Iran is going to pirate one ship too many and end up on our total shit list. That will be scary enough. We are not afraid of Iran, but we are better off not fighting a war with them all because Israel thought it strategic to bomb an embassy in yet a third country.

Which they did not do, the Embassy is fine, they bombed a annex building next to the Embassy.

Pretty sure Israel is going to think firing over 100 ballistic missiles at their country with no consequences is not a precedent they want to start.

That doesn't stop the attacks or release hostages.

The purpose is not a show but to eliminate thousands of militants.

Hamas and the Palestinians should and must surrender unconditionally.

Germany and Japan have peace and the Palestinians should follow suite and if they don't then the war should and must continue until their capacity to launch further attacks is abated.

Israel doesn't appear to have any intent to do anything other than annihilate the Palestinians. What are you talking about? Japan and Germany are independent countries. No one tried to bomb them to zero after the war was done. Gaza and the WB should be independent countries, not part of Israel. Yet, they want to hang onto them. That is why Netanyahu continues. That's why he wants the Palestinians all forced into a diaspora.

I am all for Israel sticking up for themselves. But, the price they'll pay for being stupid and bombing Syria may not be the price the US wants to pay on their behalf.

other people, not even his own as long as he gets his way.

It will create a regional war. It will make Iran even more hardline. Russia and China will give us more headaches.

It's a show of strength to not respond to attacks for the sake of greater peace.

Let it go. Build up defenses, not offenses.

starting WW 3....hopefully, the rest of the world will decline the invitation.