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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIll bet jurors will be doxed regularly during the trial.
One juror was excused today because her personal information was made public by someone. I expect right wing activists will be trying to dox the jurors constantly.
The jurors families will know they are in the trial and will certainly tell others. Once the info gets to a Republican it might be leaked to rw websites or news organizations.
Once someones personal info is released, they and their families will start to get threatening messages and wont be able to remain an unbiased juror.
Its going to be hard to control this.
FarPoint
(12,426 posts)Sequestering them makes sense to me...
jimfields33
(15,908 posts)Its the court that needs to keep jury safe. They should be immediately sequestered. Its absurd to allow them to run around reading and watching news. They need to be in an undisclosed hotel.
soldierant
(6,905 posts)I'll just leave it at that.
Think. Again.
(8,328 posts)...I think it would be appropriate to sequester this jury and work out some kind of security arrangement for them for after the trial.
On trump's court-costs bill of course.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,362 posts)They'll be doxxed, then swatted, so it'll be New York's finest who come busting through the front door, with battering rams and flash-bangs, breaking glass and other property.
Think. Again.
(8,328 posts)...but we do it anyway.
soldierant
(6,905 posts)Swatting would definitely be the way to terrorize for which it is most difficult to determine the identity of the trrorist.
Think. Again.
(8,328 posts)...and a good security structure for these jurors would be able to de-escalate something like that right away.
Edit to add: I misunderstood JustABozo's post.
Think. Again.
(8,328 posts)I see now what you were saying and yes, that is a scary possibility.
onenote
(42,737 posts)There are others who are reporting, often in real time, on the proceedings. For example, the Inner City News site reported the identifying information about Juror #2 the day before Watters discussed it on Fox News.
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(8,328 posts)onenote
(42,737 posts)Think. Again.
(8,328 posts)Think. Again.
(8,328 posts)"The first juror dismissed said she no longer believed she could be unbiased in the case. Since being selected on Tuesday, she had been targeted by Fox News host Jesse Waters, and said she had received a flurry of text messages from friends and family that led her to believe she had been identified."
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/trump-trial-juror-excused-over-concerns-of-identification-after-being-targeted-on-fox-news-live/ar-AA1neO6w
onenote
(42,737 posts)This is a real time description of the interaction between the Judge and Juror #2 in open court:
This was the exchange between the Judge and Juror #2 as reported by InnerCityPress:
Justice Merchan: We received a call yesterday from Juror Number 2, she said she has concerns about her ability to be fair. I directed her to be here at 9:15. Please bring her in.
Justice Merchan: It's Juror 280, is that right?
[Juror enters]
Justice Merchan: Good morning. What do you think?
Juror 2: I have concerns. Yesterday alone I had friends and colleagues questioning my identity as a juror. I don't think I can avoid outside pressures.
Justice Merchan: You are excused. I want to address the press. There's a reason this is an anonymous jury. Press is free to right about anything said here on the record. But please avoid physical descriptions - why mention Irish accent?
Admittedly this is not taken from the transcript but if the discussion had mentioned Fox News or Trump's tweet, someone would have reported that.
Fox was just one of a number of media outlets that disclosed information about the jurors based on statements made in open court. It is a good thing that the judge has decided to take certain information about the jurors out of the public record.
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(8,328 posts)onenote
(42,737 posts)Think. Again.
(8,328 posts)onenote
(42,737 posts)as the basis for people figuring out she was a juror. Several media entities reported the same information. You're free to assume facts not in evidence; just don't expect courts to do the same.
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(8,328 posts)onenote
(42,737 posts)I would hope they would. Why would you want the court to protect Fox News? ( See, you're not the only one who lob an accusation of being soft on FoxNews at someone ).
Think. Again.
(8,328 posts)...just to keep tagging me.
I get it. You think I shouldn't assume bad things about foxnews despite the fact that I see them do bad things everyday. Got it.
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,058 posts)Theyll go back under the bridge soon
NH Ethylene
(30,814 posts)Facts matter. Even if they don't suit our narrative. It doesn't make Fox suck any less if they weren't the first to identify her.
onenote
(42,737 posts)Joinfortmill
(14,446 posts)wnylib
(21,558 posts)They have to remain hidden, unavailable, and most importantly: UNFINDABLE! Nobody should be able to dig around and find out who they are and where they are. Unfortunately, the donald's self-preservational motives cannot be underestimated.
RockRaven
(14,985 posts)As they get doxxed, some will develop health problems.
Initech
(100,097 posts)These sick fuckers are going to screw with this trial, no question about it. The jurors better have some good protection.
Think. Again.
(8,328 posts)...because foxnews gave the world too many details and people immediately figured it out.
They didn't "attempt", they did.
onenote
(42,737 posts)This was the exchange between the Judge and Juror #2:
Justice Merchan: We received a call yesterday from Juror Number 2, she said she has concerns about her ability to be fair. I directed her to be here at 9:15. Please bring her in.
Justice Merchan: It's Juror 280, is that right?
[Juror enters]
Justice Merchan: Good morning. What do you think?
Juror 2: I have concerns. Yesterday alone I had friends and colleagues questioning my identity as a juror. I don't think I can avoid outside pressures.
Justice Merchan: You are excused. I want to address the press. There's a reason this is an anonymous jury. Press is free to right about anything said here on the record. But please avoid physical descriptions - why mention Irish accent?
Fox was just one of a number of media outlets that disclosed information about the jurors based on statements made in open court. It is a good thing that the judge has decided to take certain information about the jurors out of the public record.
Jarqui
(10,129 posts)then search for kompromat
They only need to blackmail one juror.
or find garbage to use for an appeal
Capone jury switch would be ideal.
Brother Buzz
(36,456 posts)"When I buy a juror, I expect him to remain bought." - The Marmalade Shartcannon
onenote
(42,737 posts)That position seems go against the flow here.
Brother Buzz
(36,456 posts)But I would not be unhappy if a super slick sleuth dug up the dirt on the QT, and passed the dots on to the authorities
onenote
(42,737 posts)Brother Buzz
(36,456 posts)I have a high degree of certainty that Judge Juan Merchan would smell any concocted (suitable for Truth Social) bullshit and deal with it.
Here's what we know about the seven men and five women on the jury (They look SOLID):
The first seated juror, who will be the foreperson on Trumps jury, is a man originally from Ireland. He works in sales and has some college education. He is married but doesnt have kids. He reads the New York Times and Daily Mail and watches some Fox News and MSNBC.
Juror two is an investment banker who has a Master's degree. He lives with his wife and does not have any kids. He follows Trump's TruthSocial posts as well as Michael Cohen on X, formerly known as Twitter. He said he's followed Trump since he became president and has seen quotes from Trumps book, "The Art of the Deal."
Juror three is a corporate lawyer originally from Oregon. He gets his news from the New York Times, Wall Street Journal and Google. Hes a younger man whos never been married and doesnt have kids.
Juror four is a security engineer who is married and has three kids. He has a high school diploma, no social media and reads a smattering of the news organizations named in the questionnaire.
Juror five is a young Black woman who teaches English in a public charter school system. She has a Masters degree in education, is not married and doesnt have any kids.
Juror six is a software engineer at a large broadcast company who recently graduated from college. She voiced no strong feelings about Trump, is not married, has no kids and currently lives with three roommates in Chelsea. The juror gets her news from the New York Times, Google, Facebook and TikTok.
Juror seven is a civil litigator who is married with two kids and lives on the Upper East Side in Manhattan. Originally from North Carolina, he reads the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, New York Post and Washington Post. He said he has "political views as to the Trump presidency" and that he thinks there were likely Trump administration policies he disagreed with.
Juror eight is a retired wealth manager who is married with two kids. The man's hobbies include fly fishing and yoga.
Juror nine is a speech therapist with a Masters degree. Shes not married and lives alone.
Juror 10 works for an e-commerce company and says he doesnt really follow the news. He does, however, listen to podcasts on behavioral psychology. He was born and raised in Ohio, is unmarried and lives with another adult. He says he loves to spend time outdoors and with animals.
Juror 11 was seated on the jury after Judge Juan Merchan denied Trumps challenge to remove her for cause. Trumps lawyers argued she should be dismissed because she said she does not like Trumps persona. The juror works for a multinational apparel company, is not a native New Yorker, is not married and doesnt have kids. She doesnt really follow the news but occasionally follows headlines and reads industry-specific publications.
The final juror seated on the main panel is a physical therapist. She has a doctorate degree and reads the New York Times, USA Today and CNN.
Mark.b2
(261 posts)All very educated and by all appearances in good jobs. A truck driver, cop, roofer, butcher or the like would have me concerned. One juror not wanting to be a team player is all it would take to ruin the party.
It doesn't bother me a couple say they watch FoxNews. Not the worst thing to say in this situation. If I wanted to improve my odds of being selected, I'd admit the same thing. I've ocassionally seen it while flipping channels!
tinrobot
(10,913 posts)If they can get 7 to drop out, it's a mistrial.
LeftInTX
(25,492 posts)I don't know if I'm glad or sad this isn't a murder trial.
White collar = jurors tend to sleep
Murder = more at stake, so they likely acquit.
TheRealNorth
(9,497 posts)Faux News has already started, and all they got was a finger-wagging.
IcyPeas
(21,899 posts)leaking out other jurors names? There's an awful lot of people who are being trusted to keep their mouths shut.
Taking an oath -- when it comes to Donald Trump -- is laughable. There's no reward for being honorable these days.
onenote
(42,737 posts)Gore1FL
(21,147 posts)Roy Rolling
(6,925 posts)Where is law enforcement? Not a single arrest for political terrorism.
That is the problem.
onenote
(42,737 posts)I think law enforcement is where it should be -- waiting for evidence. The DA could charge someone who threatened Juror #2 -- the fact that the DA hasn't done so suggests a lack of evidence.
Boomerproud
(7,961 posts)has gone right out the door.
Bundbuster
(3,173 posts)And it will be the same with all the forthcoming trials as well. Just obfuscate and delay until after the November election.
TNNurse
(6,929 posts)That is going to get people terrorized and possibly killed.
There should be absolutely NOTHING about them known to the public.
Are they trying to get the MAGA zealots to hurt people and their families????
Kablooie
(18,637 posts)I was surprised when they listed jobs and jury answers to many questions.
I would be very uneasy if I were a juror and they reported that about me.
I remember that in the OJ trial, at first they were a little lax about juror privacy but when a TV camera accidentally showed the jury the judge ordered them sequestered.
Maybe that will happen here. It's just been 3 days so maybe the judge will clamp down on this stuff soon.
TNNurse
(6,929 posts)Turbineguy
(37,361 posts)It's still jury tampering.