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TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 01:43 PM Apr 21

New York Mag - Trump has finally remade Republicans into Putin's playthings.

Timely article from New York Magazine, but I think it understates the transactional nature of Republican support. Like Trump, I think many modern Republicans are supporting Russia because they know they will get a lot of Russian sock puppet support in social media, which can be extremely helpful in the primaries. Thus, they parrot the pro-Putin talking points and, in return, they suddenly get a lot of momentum in social media.

This wasn't always unique to Republicans, but given how Russia has invaded Ukraine, tried to influence the election in support of Trump, and has pushed racist, misogynistic, and discriminated against many religions at home, it is tough to reconcile support of Russia with the Democratic platform. Thus, even Russian sock puppet support of Democrats like Tulsi Gabbard ends up looking hollow.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/donald-trump-republicans-vladimir-putin-puppets.html

In 2017, a Republican-controlled Congress passed a package of sanctions on Russia in retaliation for its interference in the previous year’s election. The bill was approved by overwhelming margins: 419-3 in the House, 98-2 in the Senate. President Trump, the Washington Post later reported, was apoplectic over the vote and contemplated a veto, only to be eventually persuaded that he would look weak when Congress overrode it. Instead, he signed the bill without the normal ceremony while criticizing it as “unconstitutional.”

This is a measure of how deeply isolated and weird Trump’s views on Russia were within his party at the time. Trump has consistently flattered Russia, touted its economic possibilities, and disparaged the alliances arrayed against it. Whatever the basis of his beliefs on the subject — whether from frank admiration of Vladimir Putin’s authoritarianism, the praise he has received from Russians since the 1980s, or his business dealings — sympathy toward Russia is one of the few policy principles from which he has never wavered. At a closed-door meeting in 2016, Kevin McCarthy told Paul Ryan, “There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump.” Dana Rohrabacher was a gadfly in the House mocked for his idiosyncratic Russophilia; Republicans saw Trump the same way.

In 2024, the picture looks very different. The faction of Republicans willing to align themselves with Trump on Russia has swelled to the point where House Speaker Mike Johnson refuses to allow a vote on Ukraine aid. The Ukrainian military is starved of ammunition and retreating, NATO is contemplating its own mortality, and Europe is trembling at the prospect of future Russian aggression, which Trump says he would encourage. But his admiration of Putin no longer renders him strange or suspect within the party. Increasingly, the hawks are cast as oddballs. The metamorphosis Trump wrought through sheer force of personality may ultimately be the most globally significant ramification of his political career.

Trump’s apologists like to claim that “Trump, and his administration, have actually been tougher on Russia than many of his predecessors,” as Byron York of the Washington Examiner put it. But this is a half-truth at best. Trump spent his presidency prying apart the western alliance. He repeated a series of bizarre pro-Moscow claims — insisting, for example, that the NATO treaty committed the U.S. to backing the “very aggressive” Montenegro in a war on Russia — and refused to condemn any of Putin’s crimes. When Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny was poisoned by a rare nerve agent in 2020 and every western intelligence agency blamed the obvious suspect, Trump demurred, “I think probably China, at this point, is a nation that you should be talking about much more so than Russia because the things that China is doing are far worse if you take a look at what’s happening with the world.”
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New York Mag - Trump has finally remade Republicans into Putin's playthings. (Original Post) TomCADem Apr 21 OP
I think it might be more simple than all that... Think. Again. Apr 21 #1
Trump says he would encourage Russia to 'do whatever the hell they want' to any NATO country that doesn't pay enough TomCADem Apr 23 #2
Yep, trash working hand in hand with trash. Think. Again. Apr 23 #3

Think. Again.

(8,433 posts)
1. I think it might be more simple than all that...
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 02:03 PM
Apr 21

...republicans are trash, and putin is trash, people tend to associate with like-minded people.

TomCADem

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2. Trump says he would encourage Russia to 'do whatever the hell they want' to any NATO country that doesn't pay enough
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 12:12 AM
Apr 23

There is a pretty obvious quid pro quo between Putin and Trump and other pro-Putin Republicans like MTG. If they provide social media sock puppet support for Republicans, particularly in the primaries, they will hand Ukraine and undermine NATO once they gain power. Conversely, if a Republican takes a stand against Russian expansionism, there will always be a MAGA Republican who is ready to primary them.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/10/politics/trump-russia-nato/index.html

Former President Donald Trump on Saturday said he would encourage Russia to do “whatever the hell they want” to any NATO member country that doesn’t meet spending guidelines on defense in a stunning admission he would not abide by the collective-defense clause at the heart of the alliance if reelected.

“NATO was busted until I came along,” Trump said at a rally in Conway, South Carolina. “I said, ‘Everybody’s gonna pay.’ They said, ‘Well, if we don’t pay, are you still going to protect us?’ I said, ‘Absolutely not.’ They couldn’t believe the answer.”

Trump said “one of the presidents of a big country” at one point asked him whether the US would still defend the country if they were invaded by Russia even if they “don’t pay.”

“No, I would not protect you,” Trump recalled telling that president. “In fact, I would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want. You got to pay. You got to pay your bills.”

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