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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBarack Obama didn’t just do the right thing, he actually did the brave thing.
from Democracy Now with Vt. Activist Bill McKibben: http://www.democracynow.org/2012/1/19/obama_rejects_keystone_xl_pipeline_under
AMY GOODMAN: Bill, when you heard the news yesterday that President Obama had rejected the pipeline outright, what was your response?
BILL McKIBBEN: Well, you know what? I had two responses. One, you know, I wrote the first book about global warming, I think 23 years ago now, and there have been precious few days in that two decades when scientists have been left smiling and Big Oil has been left scowling. This was a real victory for people standing up. If we hadnt gone and done what we did out in the streets, if we hadnt made record numbers of public comments on this, then the oil industry, as usual, would have gotten away with a really bad idea.
And the second thought, frankly, was about Barack Obama. Now, Im no knee-jerk partisan, necessarily, of the President. I get arrestedI spent three days in jail for being arrested outside his house. But yesterday, in the face of just absolutely naked political threatthe American Petroleum Institute said last week, if the pipeline wasnt approved, there would be, quote, "huge political consequences," and you know they have the money to make good on that threat. In the face of that kind of bald political threat, Barack Obama didnt just do the right thing, he actually did the brave thing. The knock on him is that hes been too conciliatory and eager to please all sides and things. Yesterday was pretty stunning.
read more and watch: http://www.democracynow.org/2012/1/19/obama_rejects_keystone_xl_pipeline_under
more from Vt. Activist Bill McKibben: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/18/obama-s-denial-of-keystone-permit-was-a-welcome-win-against-big-oil.html
Obamas Denial of Keystone Permit Was a Welcome Win Against Big Oil
Rejecting the transcontinental oil pipeline, the president turned the conventional wisdom on its head, but the real victors were the idealistic protestors.
I wrote the first book on global warming way back in 1989, so I know for a fact that there have been very few days in the last two decades when the scientists have been smiling and big oil scowling. When the president denied the permit for Keystone XL on Wednesday, he didnt just turn the usual balance of power upside down, he turned the conventional wisdom more or less on its headas late as October, a National Journal poll of 300 D.C. energy insiders showed 91 percent predicting that the pipeline would be approved.
The victory is of course a tribute to people who set aside their natural cynicism about the possibility of change and instead went to jail in record numbers, wrote public comments in record numbers, surrounded the White House shoulder to shoulder five deep. They managed to bring reality to the forefront for once, and that realitythe leaky pipeline, the oil destined for export, the carbon overload from the tar sandsmanaged to trump, for now, the bottomless pockets of the fossil fuel industry.
What was interesting yesterday was watching the reaction of the congressional leadership, whod forced the issue by passing legislation mandating a speedy approval process. Theyd set the president an essentially impossible task, since Transcanada Pipeline hadnt even announced the route they wanted to take through Nebraska. But apparently they thought hed blink anyway. After all, the head of the American Petroleum Institute had issued the most naked political threat imaginable: block the pipeline, hed told the president in a speech last week, and there will be huge political consequences. And of course he has more than enough money to back up the threat.
read more: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/18/obama-s-denial-of-keystone-permit-was-a-welcome-win-against-big-oil.html
dionysus
(26,467 posts)opihimoimoi
(52,426 posts)century ...at least until a new and bigger one emerges...
Cleita
(75,480 posts)If enough of us let him know we appreciate what he did, maybe we will see more of this down the line.
bigtree
(86,005 posts). . . and tell him that you're going to oppose any attempt to revive the project in any form (if you're so inclined
Here's some contact info for folks:
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Cleita
(75,480 posts)I think he needs encouragement to break away from his DLC leanings.
Old and In the Way
(37,540 posts)The pipeline would be bad policy and bad politics. The more people learn about this pipeline, the less they like it.
bigtree
(86,005 posts)we now have a ready base of folks who are primed to oppose any further action; emboldened and encouraged even more by the President's support. I'd expect there to be no problem at all in mobilizing a sizable legion of opponents if the company manages to find a way to submit a visible plan.
spanone
(135,884 posts)Gman
(24,780 posts)and when he closes Guantano: wah wah wah, we're still in Afghanistan... ad nauseum.
Lionessa
(3,894 posts)probably be revisiting this issue in short order.
He only denied it because of the time deadline in the payroll tax bill, "not a judgment on the merits of the pipeline, but the arbitrary nature of a deadline" in his own words.
Please lets keep the cheerleading in proper perspective. He didn't stand up to big oil, he stood up to an arbitrary deadline from Congress.
If he had the balls to stand up to big oil, the BP mess wouldn't have been swept under the carpet by the admin like it has been.
bigtree
(86,005 posts). . the guy who is credited with jump-starting the Keystone protests?
Amazing.
Lionessa
(3,894 posts)I hope he enjoys the position of anti-pipeline, because regardless of the name of the next proposal, there will be one. After reading the articles presented on DU to date, I expect we'll be hearing about an alternative one in short order.
bigtree
(86,005 posts)give credit where it's due -- Bill McKibben: for having more sense than to have to be reminded of that; and the President for the boldness of his action.
It's just fine to keep setting the bar, but it becomes ridiculous to state the obvious that someone might propose another project. It's less of a sure proposition, in the face of this rejection under pressure, that this president will ultimately approve any of them.
Lionessa
(3,894 posts)only against the deadline.
Sorry, perhaps you and McKibben shouldn't be giving him credit where he hasn't earned it yet.
Kind of like offering the Nobel Peace Prize before he earned it, so instead he's a huge chicken hawk that hasn't to date deserved it.
bigtree
(86,005 posts)The company will need to submit a new proposal and begin the approval process all over again for whatever siting they are asking for. It's ridiculous to suggest the President can just reject any future project out of hand.
But I see you're so desperate to put a negative spin on this that you're even willing to insult one of the primary organizers in the recent fight against the pipeline with your patronizing nonsense about 'cheerleading'. Inspiring.
Lionessa
(3,894 posts)as noted in many posts across many OPs today, he isn't against the pipeline, and is open to new proposals. Heck you even mention that they will be doing exactly that. How long till it happens? I imagine it will be a day or two after the 2012 elections. Then I expect that there will a streamlined zoom to approval. This, based on past experience with Obama's policy paths, is just a temporary situation that big oil has allowed him, in order to get elected so they can then continue to be blessed as they have been with BP, fracking, and such.
Obama only cares about the forced time frame, he doesn't want to approve it or anything like it till after his second term is on tap. Now this is what he's said, you can discount it if it helps your blind faith, but I shall not ignore key statements within the announcement.
bigtree
(86,005 posts). . . and the President has done what we've asked, so far.
The 'past experience' argument is such bullshit it doesn't even deserve a decent response. Believe what you want. As it stands right now, you've been proven wrong. The President rejected the project. He did the bold thing in the face of opposition in an election year; against his critics on the right and the left's predictions. Live with that. It seems to just aggravate you to no end.
Lionessa
(3,894 posts)Old and In the Way
(37,540 posts)bigtree
(86,005 posts). . . something I wish the board would draw some lines of distinction to address.
Occulus
(20,599 posts)the American heartland, period."
Why is that so hard to understand?
As usual, what Obama did, even though it was technically the correct decision, was milquetoast, lacking in conviction, with a wet finger to the political wind. The bald political threat he faced should have been met with an equally bald denial.
It was not.
bigtree
(86,005 posts)just because he says they're welcome to submit another proposal isn't an endorsement of anything; no more than he's endorsed anything so far.
The rest is political posturing against the onslaught of republican charges that he's turning down jobs or just rejecting projects out of hand to satisfy 'environmentalists' in our party. He's taken the correct position for a president in stating the obvious; that anyone is free to submit whatever proposal they want. He just isn't obligated to approve them. This action should demonstrate that clearly to proponents and opponents alike. That's why this key activist against the pipeline is praising the President for his courage in standing up to the opposition. Only here on DU would folks brush past that opinion of such a primary mover and shaker in the recent protests to make yet another dubious prediction that the President is bound to approve a project through ecologically sensitive regions of the country. He just made it clear that he rejects that proposition with this action.
Bodhi BloodWave
(2,346 posts)So now its his WORDS that matter and not his ACTIONS?
I was danged sure that I've read here on DU again, and again, and again, and again that his Words doesn't matter but his Actions do.
And now that he performed the action of rejecting the pipeline outright its not relevant since you haven't heard a specific sentence?
The Doctor.
(17,266 posts)I always know I support the right issue or person when its/their opponents fall all over themselves with hypocrisy.
Bodhi BloodWave
(2,346 posts)Obama supporter: Did you hear what Obama plans to do about *random subject*
Critic: Obama has a way with words so they don't mean much, I only care about his actions
Some time later
Obama supporter: Did you read about what Obama did in regards to *different random subject*
Same critic: I haven't heard him say he is for/against it so its an empty gesture to try and keep us silent, he will prove me right soon enough
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Its mind-boggling at times that they don't seem to expect us to notice the disconnect in the arguments
sweetloukillbot
(11,071 posts)KT2000
(20,588 posts)That was some really good news.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)msongs
(67,453 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)source of this oil. Much of it is on Native American reservations up there and it's really nasty environmental damage to extract it. I hope the rank and file Canadians push back on their government to stop this altogether. It's really bad news.
TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)Proceeding with the pipeline is batshit, pro-survival is always positive.