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The Tennessee Holler
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WATCH: @EmoryUniversity Econ Professor @CarolineFohlin saw a protester on campus being violently arrested, and asked the police "What are you doing?" then was violently thrown to the ground and arrested herself.
Sickening.
7:48 PM · Apr 25, 2024
Traildogbob
(8,828 posts)Has their way, it is gonna get much more sickening.
But, all in the name of god.
Diraven
(536 posts)Everyone at Emory's tuition just went up.
littlemissmartypants
(22,839 posts)Prairie Gates
(1,068 posts)My God! Universities are stuck in the 70s.
littlemissmartypants
(22,839 posts)I'm guessing sex for grades never died.
I was offered an 'A' for a blow job by a professor in 1977. Guess what I did.
mahina
(17,711 posts)littlemissmartypants
(22,839 posts)We had a hearing and he lost his job. It was quite a scandal and we were way ahead of our time.
Two of the other women left school afterwards.
Unfortunately they had trouble coping with the aftermath.
Some students loved him. Who knows why. They blamed us, the women. Which is still so typical. But he had to leave the college, nevertheless. He was disgusting.
mahina
(17,711 posts)Bettie
(16,130 posts)that they met and married while both working there.
I know several couples who met while working at the same place and both still work there.
spooky3
(34,484 posts)Reality of dual career couples, which became much more the norm in the 1980s. If the university wanted to hire a leading academic whose spouse also would have to relocate if spouse was hired, often the university would offer a position to the other academic spouse, especially if the university is located in a smaller town, as many are.
In this situation the wife may be the leading academic and the husband is the trailing spouse. Deans of admissions often do not have doctorates whereas economists nearly always do at a school the stature of Emory.
hlthe2b
(102,410 posts)in her own right? That is a disgusting bit of misogyny going on here.
Prairie Gates
(1,068 posts)Also, to say that somebody is a spousal hire is not to say that they aren't qualified. But the reason for hiring them remains the same.
hlthe2b
(102,410 posts)Think again. That level of assumption is just crap.
Prairie Gates
(1,068 posts)These are facts of academic hiring. Post 3 in this thread makes it clear that he was the recruited hire. You think they just have positions hanging around magically for economic historians at the same time that they're recruiting their big Dean of Admission catch away from Johns Hopkins? They made the position for her. Good for her. Maybe she's brilliant, and turned out to be the best professor in the whole economics department. It's still a fucking weird and archaic practice that rarely happens outside of universities.
hlthe2b
(102,410 posts)were eminently qualified--whether male or female. 'Such a 1950s sad and stereotypical attitude IMHO. Some Corporations DO this too and often reap quite the benefit in the process. To assume otherwise is just sad and to me at least, disgusting. And no, I am not among this group whatsoever--none of this has/could ever apply to my situation if you think I am personalizing.
Prairie Gates
(1,068 posts)If you think this position wasn't made for her as part of the recruitment of her husband, announced with great fanfare, you don't know anything about academic hiring. Again, they don't just magically have positions hanging around in economic history at the same time - Lord it's a miracle! - that they're putting together a recruitment package for a Dean of Admissions, yanked out of another (competitor peer) elite institution. It strains credulity.
hlthe2b
(102,410 posts)Just go and have a good day. I want no more to do with this ugly discussion.
Prairie Gates
(1,068 posts)Facts are facts.
Prairie Gates
(1,068 posts)spooky3
(34,484 posts)That this is common and that I dont see why you have an issue with it.
obamanut2012
(26,154 posts)I met my spouse at work, we both have higher level jobs, so are we are "spousal hire"?
Do you get how sexist it sounds?
Prairie Gates
(1,068 posts)Which makes it clear that 1) he was recruited to Emory specifically, 2) they were already married when he took the position, and 3) she was offered a position as part of the recruitment.
It's not sexist to state known facts supported by evidence in the actual thread. It's also the case the spousal hires are fucking weird. If they were moving to, say, State College, Pennsylvania it would be one thing. He was recruited from JHU to Emory in...checks notes... Atlanta. There are probably 15 universties within 20 miles of their home.
obamanut2012
(26,154 posts)PatSeg
(47,633 posts)edisdead
(1,958 posts)What the hell?
Why did you jump there?
madville
(7,412 posts)Social status shouldnt dictate the response by the police, right or wrong.
littlemissmartypants
(22,839 posts)madville
(7,412 posts)Reaching into the middle of police making an arrest is never going to go good.
EndlessWire
(6,573 posts)but she just leaned over and was talking. Still, she was interfering with an arrest. I'll bet that hurt.
littlemissmartypants
(22,839 posts)Last edited Sat Apr 27, 2024, 04:54 PM - Edit history (1)
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Nevilledog
(51,212 posts)Bad Thoughts
(2,536 posts)I see telescopes and, perhaps, holstered pistols.
Nevilledog
(51,212 posts)Link to tweet
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Sniper on the roof of the Indiana Memorial Union at #IU. Gun pointed down at peaceful Gaza protesters in Dunn Meadow. This is 4 hours after the arrest of 22 students and 2 professors in the meadow. Have never seen anything like this on this campus.
5:28 PM · Apr 25, 2024
Nevilledog
(51,212 posts)https://www.thelantern.com/2024/04/university-says-officers-had-readied-firearms-directed-toward-protesters-from-ohio-unions-roof-once-arrests-began/
Around 8:15 p.m. Thursday, university spokesperson Ben Johnson said there were no armed law enforcement officers on the Ohio Unions roof with weapons pointed at students and community members protesting the war in Gaza, which was correct at the time.
According to information obtained Friday, Johnson said once the troopers began using force on the students around 10 p.m., the state troopers on the roof switched to long-range firearms as part of their protocol.
Ohio State Highway Patrol provided overwatch support, which is a standard safety measure when they assist with large gatherings, Johnsons statement said. We dont discuss specific public safety protocols. In general, overwatch support is armed, and the team carries standard equipment, including firearms, that would only be used reactively to protect the safety of all present, including demonstrators.
Patton French
(779 posts)Nevilledog
(51,212 posts)Link to tweet
However, Ben Johnson, the spokesperson for Ohio State University, confirmed to several news outlets that there were no snipers at the Ohio Union building. He added that the spotted officers were state troopers in a "watching position, similar to a football game day."
In Indiana, a rifle can be clearly distinguished in viral footage.
Stuckinthebush
(10,847 posts)What the actual hell? Police state
womanofthehills
(8,781 posts)WATCH: Among those arrested today were Noelle McAfee, Chair of the Philosophy Department at Emory University.
Ive asked for a comment from Emory on this arrest, no word yet.
This video provided to us by an #Emory PHD student. You can hear him in this video. @ATLNewsFirst
https://x.com/patrickquinntv/status/1783532600637681964?s=46&t=YZgyyp4w_z7vW3neKxa6cQ
triron
(22,025 posts)Nevilledog
(51,212 posts)triron
(22,025 posts)Cops acted like arrogant thugs.
msongs
(67,459 posts)Eko
(7,369 posts)Prairie Gates
(1,068 posts)it's really hard to choose who is more laughable.
Bad Thoughts
(2,536 posts)obamanut2012
(26,154 posts)Wow.
Kablooie
(18,641 posts)I fear a dark period ahead.
Now with SCOTUS beginning to support Trump's destruction of democracy.
Warpy
(111,367 posts)Thugs out of control abusing women.
riversedge
(70,334 posts)niyad
(113,600 posts)HAB911
(8,919 posts)reminds me of the '60s all over again
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,455 posts)David__77
(23,553 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,495 posts)Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #56)
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BannonsLiver
(16,495 posts)Its codified in our laws. Under Castro she would have been dragged off and never seen again. Of course youve denied there was any form of political oppression whatsoever under Castro so 🤷?♂️
ripcord
(5,547 posts)She started struggling as soon as they tried to take her into custody.
Marcus IM
(2,247 posts)My brother is a police officer. I don't dispute that interfering with an arrest will get one arrested also.
It's the harshness and brutality of the police overall that is disturbing. That doesn't happen in Cuba.
Another poster who seems to think that Castro is still alive falsely claims that Cubans are "disappeared" after an arrest. Ummm. No. We'd be hearing about it in bold headlines in the Miami news regularly if it were to be true. It's not, and it is not.
FYI, I am a Cuban-American Jewish liberal who votes straight Dem every election. I know what is going on there because my family lives there and I go many times every year, and I keep in close touch with all of my family and friends via phone, zoom, Facebook, twitter, etc etc on a daily basis.
BannonsLiver
(16,495 posts)But you have repeatedly denied there was any form of political oppression in Cuba during his regime. Meanwhile, groups like Human Rights Watch and Amnesty international have documented the oppression, which when confronted with those facts you have denied, claiming HRW is some kind of evil Western imperialist organization, which is of course quite ludicrous.
Mosby
(16,378 posts)On July 11, 2021, thousands of Cubans took to the streets in the largest nationwide demonstrations against the government since the 1959 Cuban revolution. These peaceful protests were a response to longstanding restrictions on rights, food and medicine scarcity, and the governments response to the Covid-19 pandemic. Many protesters chanted liberty! or motherland and life, referencing a Cuban song that repurposes the governments old slogan, motherland or death (patria o muerte), and criticizes repression in the country.
The government replied to Cubans exercise of their rights to expression and assembly with brutal, systematic repression and censorship.
Shortly after the protests began, President Miguel Díaz-Canel urged government supporters and security forces to respond to the protests with force. We call on all revolutionaries to go to the streets to defend the revolution, he said. The order to fight has been given.[1]
One protester, Diubis Laurencio Tejeda, a 36-year-old singer, died, seemingly at the hands of the police.[2] Cuban rights groups report that over 1,400 people were detained, more than 700 of whom remained behind bars as of July 2022.[3] Cuban courts have confirmed the convictions against more than 380 protesters and bystanders, including several children.[4] Several organizations reported countrywide internet outages on July 11, followed by erratic connectivity, including restrictions on social media and messaging platforms.[5]
This report documents a wide range of human rights violations against well-known government critics and ordinary citizens, including harassment, arbitrary detention, abuse-ridden prosecutions, beatings, and other cases of ill-treatment that in some cases constitute torture.
Human Rights Watch found that rights violations committed in the context of the protests followed patterns that strongly suggest the existence of a plan to prevent people from protesting, punish those who did, and instill fear to prevent massive anti-government demonstrations from taking place again. We found a pattern of abuse in over 155 cases documented during our year-long reporting on the repression against July 2021 protesters in Cuba, including the 14 cases described in detail in this report.[6]
https://www.hrw.org/report/2022/07/11/prison-or-exile/cubas-systematic-repression-july-2021-demonstrators
PufPuf23
(8,842 posts)Mosby
(16,378 posts)The HRW field team in Israel spend most of their time in hotels in and around Tel Aviv, only leaving to talk to their Palestinian stringers and maybe grab a sabich. The IP/G issue is a cash cow for HRW and Amnesty, something they've admitted to in the past.
For HRW, Israel is low-hanging fruit: The New Republic Adds Evidence of Bias
https://www.ngo-monitor.org/press-releases/for_hrw_israel_is_low_hanging_fruit_the_new_republic_adds_evidence_of_bias/
David__77
(23,553 posts)markpkessinger
(8,409 posts). . . and on that, I say BULLSHIT!
And beyond that, even if the protester being arrested is anti-Semitic, being anti-Semitic, although deepl offensive, is not against the law. I am a gay man, and I despise anti-gay demonstrators (such as the Phelps Klan, for example). But I do NOT think they should be subject to arrest for making their views known!
BannonsLiver
(16,495 posts)And none of these people care if Biden is re elected. That much is clear.
BannonsLiver
(16,495 posts)betsuni
(25,681 posts)crickets
(25,986 posts)betsuni
(25,681 posts)crickets
(25,986 posts)At one point, she gestures, while yelling at police to stop. Her hand didn't touch anything, and there was no deliberate attempt to reach for anything. There is a moment when her back is to the camera and she is bending over a cop on the ground trying to get his attention, but no visible evidence she is touching or trying to touch him or his gun. She was too close, and got attention for it, but there's no evidence she touched anyone. Then her hands came up in front of her, near her face after she is grabbed by another cop, who swung her around. If there was any contact, his own movements seemed to be the cause. Given the situation, her actions weren't the smartest in the world, but she didn't assault anyone. She had a bunch of physical reaction directed toward her, once the cop decided to put hands on her.
Maybe we saw it differently, but this is my take after several viewings at slow speed. 🤷?♀️
Eta: There's no question she got too close, and by interfering with an arrest, she was bound for trouble. Not smart.
Nixie
(16,993 posts)down and then slapped at the other who pulled her away from the kneeling cop. Neither of her actions seems like it would have a good outcome.
betsuni
(25,681 posts)I thought everyone knew this, what with all the videos of similar situations.
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PatSeg
(47,633 posts)She was a lot more nonassaultive than I would have been. The aggression was all the cop, and I'm not even anti-police. Although, she did take one for the team once this video gets around the world twice.
BannonsLiver
(16,495 posts)ripcord
(5,547 posts)Voltaire2
(13,210 posts)Nobody teaches protest. Well maybe somebody does, but mostly people show up.
ripcord
(5,547 posts)We actually had meetings beforehand where we were told if arrests started we were to use passive resistance and go limp.
Voltaire2
(13,210 posts)ripcord
(5,547 posts)I understand getting arrested for your cause but why add extra charges that could be felonies?
Voltaire2
(13,210 posts)ripcord
(5,547 posts)She also interfered with another arrest.
Ping Tung
(725 posts)Mosby
(16,378 posts)If you ignore their requests and then start putting your hands on cops they will arrest you and charge you with failure to follow an officers commands and resisting arrest, both are serious charges.
Duncan Grant
(8,296 posts)Read up on police culture. This isnt an anomaly.
obamanut2012
(26,154 posts)Where the hell am I?
AloeVera
(976 posts)Dismaying.
triron
(22,025 posts)NoSheep
(8,132 posts)racists, misogynists, pro-violent cop behavior, pro suppression of speech. calling a protester an anti-Semite because they care about Palestinians
Voltaire2
(13,210 posts)Pretty much never has been, outside of entirely ceremonial events. Instead we get Selma, we get Kent State, we get Jackson State, we get Chicago, we get shot in the streets and the shooter gets put on a pedestal. We get beaten out of parks. We get kettled on the streets. We get attacked with chemical weapons that are illegal in warfare. We get blinded and broken by rubber bullets. We get assassinated if we are organizing too effectively.