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Nevilledog

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Thu Apr 25, 2024, 11:13 PM Apr 25

What have we become? Econ professor violently arrested at Emory





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WATCH: @EmoryUniversity Econ Professor @CarolineFohlin saw a protester on campus being violently arrested, and asked the police "What are you doing?" — then was violently thrown to the ground and arrested herself.

Sickening.


7:48 PM · Apr 25, 2024
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What have we become? Econ professor violently arrested at Emory (Original Post) Nevilledog Apr 25 OP
After the SC Traildogbob Apr 25 #1
Well there's a nice lawsuit Diraven Apr 25 #2
Yep. She's married to the dean of admissions. littlemissmartypants Apr 25 #4
A spousal hire? Prairie Gates Apr 25 #12
And sexual harassment lives on too, probably. littlemissmartypants Apr 26 #16
Turned him in? mahina Apr 26 #20
I sure did and four other classmates came forward after that with various other offers he'd proposed. littlemissmartypants Apr 26 #21
Thank you. mahina Apr 26 #22
It's also possible Bettie Apr 26 #27
Not sure why you say this. This is a common response to the spooky3 Apr 26 #31
THANK YOU. Good gawd in this day & age to assume the female spouse to not be eminently qualified hlthe2b Apr 26 #34
Men are also offered spousal hires, and it's also fucking weird Prairie Gates Apr 26 #37
Uh huh... hlthe2b Apr 26 #39
What assumption? Prairie Gates Apr 26 #40
You insinuation the spouse was hired only to recruit the favored candidate and not because they too hlthe2b Apr 26 #41
I didn't make a single comment about her qualifications at all Prairie Gates Apr 26 #42
Uggh. hlthe2b Apr 26 #43
Have a good one Prairie Gates Apr 26 #44
Not according to Post 3, which announces *his hire* Prairie Gates Apr 26 #36
That doesn't change my point (and I did say "may") which is spooky3 Apr 26 #45
Wtf obamanut2012 Apr 26 #33
I actually read the whole thread, including Post #3 Prairie Gates Apr 26 #35
Sorry, what you said was inappropriate obamanut2012 Apr 26 #78
Yeah, I had some flashbacks watching the video PatSeg Apr 26 #53
????? edisdead Apr 26 #74
Why would that matter? madville Apr 26 #13
If believing only in the gossip mill is paramount, I suppose. littlemissmartypants Apr 26 #15
What was she thinking? madville Apr 26 #14
I thought so, too EndlessWire Apr 26 #23
More... littlemissmartypants Apr 25 #3
This is the second photo I've seen of police snipers on college campuses Nevilledog Apr 25 #5
Where exactly are the rifles? Bad Thoughts Apr 26 #24
Not seeing more about Ohio, but this was Indiana Nevilledog Apr 26 #68
Looks like they did have them, just not shown in this photo Nevilledog Apr 26 #77
Not snipers. NT Patton French Apr 26 #26
Not. betsuni Apr 26 #38
Ohio might not, but Indiana did Nevilledog Apr 26 #57
Disturbing Stuckinthebush Apr 25 #6
Chair of Philosophy- older woman arrested too womanofthehills Apr 26 #19
Cops need to be fired and charged with assault. triron Apr 25 #7
Someone said the professor has been charged with assaulting the cops. Nevilledog Apr 25 #9
Well that's fucked up. Video is clearly not showing that. triron Apr 26 #49
shades of the 60s, nuthin new nt msongs Apr 25 #8
I'm sure Putin paid her. Eko Apr 25 #10
Between the poorly trained idiot cops and the "I am a professor of economics" Prairie Gates Apr 25 #11
We could start with the one who charged in during an arrest. Bad Thoughts Apr 26 #25
Okay, you just proved the point some of us made about your "spousal hire" snark by this post obamanut2012 Apr 26 #79
We are regressing back to the worst of the 60s. Kablooie Apr 26 #17
Just like Iran Warpy Apr 26 #18
I was just about to post about these horrible events--Here are a few videos......... riversedge Apr 26 #28
ummm, no videos? niyad Apr 26 #32
TFG's 'Merica HAB911 Apr 26 #29
Twas ever thus. Cops don't keep people safe. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 26 #30
That man was emphatically NOT neutralizing a threat. He was pleasuring himself with brutality. David__77 Apr 26 #46
She was attempting to interfere with the arrest of the antisemite on the ground. BannonsLiver Apr 26 #56
Post removed Post removed Apr 26 #59
In this country when you interfere with arrests it is grounds for arrest. BannonsLiver Apr 26 #60
The problem is that you do not have the right to resist arrest ripcord Apr 26 #62
I don't dispute that. Marcus IM Apr 26 #65
Castro is dead, thankfully. BannonsLiver Apr 26 #69
Prison or Exile Mosby Apr 26 #70
Human Rights Watch on Israel / Palestine. PufPuf23 Apr 26 #72
HRW has a peculiar obsession with Israel Mosby Apr 26 #73
They may understand that "human" includes people in Gaza and West Bank and East Jerusalem. David__77 Apr 26 #76
That buys into the framing that anyone who protests against Israel's action is anti-Semitic . . . markpkessinger Apr 27 #88
I think most are antisemites or deeply uninformed and naive at best. BannonsLiver Apr 28 #93
What's she wearing on her head? BannonsLiver Apr 26 #47
Looks to me like she tried to slap or punch him. betsuni Apr 26 #48
I just saw a woman with her hands held in front of her in self defense. nt crickets Apr 26 #50
She touched a police guy near his waist (gun) then took a swing (looked like to me) at another. betsuni Apr 26 #51
I saw one hand at her own waist, steadying her shoulderbag. crickets Apr 26 #63
Yes, she charged in wagging her fingers at the cop kneeling Nixie Apr 26 #64
Asking for trouble! betsuni Apr 26 #66
Exactly. Nixie Apr 26 #71
That's what I saw PatSeg Apr 26 #54
Yeah RobinA Apr 26 #58
Looks like a bit of FAFO to me BannonsLiver Apr 26 #52
I thought protesters were taught not to resist? ripcord Apr 26 #55
Apparently they failed at protest school. Voltaire2 Apr 27 #84
I went to anti nuke protests ripcord Apr 27 #85
That's nice. The vast majority of people just show up. Voltaire2 Apr 27 #86
And resist arrest evidently ripcord Apr 27 #87
resisting arrest is a bullshit charge. Voltaire2 Apr 27 #89
She struggled against the arrest the entire time ripcord Apr 27 #90
Is Kent State II next? Ping Tung Apr 26 #61
She fucked around and found out. Cops don't play Mosby Apr 26 #67
Refseek.com: police personality profile Duncan Grant Apr 26 #75
Some of the anti-protestor comments in this thread are just gobsmacking obamanut2012 Apr 26 #80
Not where we thought. AloeVera Apr 26 #81
Yes. Where the hell do these people come from? triron Apr 26 #82
I read your comment just as I thought the exact same thing. NoSheep Apr 27 #92
There is no right of assembly for the left. Voltaire2 Apr 26 #83
Since when is it necessary for police to use that much force? LiberalFighter Apr 27 #91

littlemissmartypants

(22,839 posts)
16. And sexual harassment lives on too, probably.
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 12:08 AM
Apr 26

I'm guessing sex for grades never died.

I was offered an 'A' for a blow job by a professor in 1977. Guess what I did.

littlemissmartypants

(22,839 posts)
21. I sure did and four other classmates came forward after that with various other offers he'd proposed.
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 03:40 AM
Apr 26

We had a hearing and he lost his job. It was quite a scandal and we were way ahead of our time.

Two of the other women left school afterwards.
Unfortunately they had trouble coping with the aftermath.

Some students loved him. Who knows why. They blamed us, the women. Which is still so typical. But he had to leave the college, nevertheless. He was disgusting.

Bettie

(16,130 posts)
27. It's also possible
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 07:06 AM
Apr 26

that they met and married while both working there.

I know several couples who met while working at the same place and both still work there.

spooky3

(34,484 posts)
31. Not sure why you say this. This is a common response to the
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 07:59 AM
Apr 26

Reality of dual career couples, which became much more the norm in the 1980s. If the university wanted to hire a leading academic whose spouse also would have to relocate if spouse was hired, often the university would offer a position to the other academic spouse, especially if the university is located in a smaller town, as many are.

In this situation the wife may be the leading academic and the husband is the “trailing spouse.” Deans of admissions often do not have doctorates whereas economists nearly always do at a school the stature of Emory.

hlthe2b

(102,410 posts)
34. THANK YOU. Good gawd in this day & age to assume the female spouse to not be eminently qualified
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 09:09 AM
Apr 26

in her own right? That is a disgusting bit of misogyny going on here.

Prairie Gates

(1,068 posts)
37. Men are also offered spousal hires, and it's also fucking weird
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 09:15 AM
Apr 26


Also, to say that somebody is a spousal hire is not to say that they aren't qualified. But the reason for hiring them remains the same.

Prairie Gates

(1,068 posts)
40. What assumption?
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 09:26 AM
Apr 26

These are facts of academic hiring. Post 3 in this thread makes it clear that he was the recruited hire. You think they just have positions hanging around magically for economic historians at the same time that they're recruiting their big Dean of Admission catch away from Johns Hopkins? They made the position for her. Good for her. Maybe she's brilliant, and turned out to be the best professor in the whole economics department. It's still a fucking weird and archaic practice that rarely happens outside of universities.

hlthe2b

(102,410 posts)
41. You insinuation the spouse was hired only to recruit the favored candidate and not because they too
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 09:28 AM
Apr 26

were eminently qualified--whether male or female. 'Such a 1950s sad and stereotypical attitude IMHO. Some Corporations DO this too and often reap quite the benefit in the process. To assume otherwise is just sad and to me at least, disgusting. And no, I am not among this group whatsoever--none of this has/could ever apply to my situation if you think I am personalizing.

Prairie Gates

(1,068 posts)
42. I didn't make a single comment about her qualifications at all
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 09:32 AM
Apr 26

If you think this position wasn't made for her as part of the recruitment of her husband, announced with great fanfare, you don't know anything about academic hiring. Again, they don't just magically have positions hanging around in economic history at the same time - Lord it's a miracle! - that they're putting together a recruitment package for a Dean of Admissions, yanked out of another (competitor peer) elite institution. It strains credulity.

spooky3

(34,484 posts)
45. That doesn't change my point (and I did say "may") which is
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 09:48 AM
Apr 26

That this is common and that I don’t see why you have an issue with it.

obamanut2012

(26,154 posts)
33. Wtf
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 08:20 AM
Apr 26

I met my spouse at work, we both have higher level jobs, so are we are "spousal hire"?

Do you get how sexist it sounds?

Prairie Gates

(1,068 posts)
35. I actually read the whole thread, including Post #3
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 09:14 AM
Apr 26

Which makes it clear that 1) he was recruited to Emory specifically, 2) they were already married when he took the position, and 3) she was offered a position as part of the recruitment.

It's not sexist to state known facts supported by evidence in the actual thread. It's also the case the spousal hires are fucking weird. If they were moving to, say, State College, Pennsylvania it would be one thing. He was recruited from JHU to Emory in...checks notes... Atlanta. There are probably 15 universties within 20 miles of their home.

madville

(7,412 posts)
14. What was she thinking?
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 12:03 AM
Apr 26

Reaching into the middle of police making an arrest is never going to go good.

EndlessWire

(6,573 posts)
23. I thought so, too
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 05:07 AM
Apr 26

but she just leaned over and was talking. Still, she was interfering with an arrest. I'll bet that hurt.

Nevilledog

(51,212 posts)
5. This is the second photo I've seen of police snipers on college campuses
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 11:35 PM
Apr 25


snipers on the roof of Ohio Union at Ohio State




Nevilledog

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68. Not seeing more about Ohio, but this was Indiana
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 12:54 PM
Apr 26




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Sniper on the roof of the Indiana Memorial Union at #IU. Gun pointed down at peaceful Gaza protesters in Dunn Meadow. This is 4 hours after the arrest of 22 students and 2 professors in the meadow. Have never seen anything like this on this campus.


5:28 PM · Apr 25, 2024

Nevilledog

(51,212 posts)
77. Looks like they did have them, just not shown in this photo
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 04:29 PM
Apr 26
LANTERN CONFIRMS OFFICERS ON OHIO UNION'S ROOF HAD FIREARMS ONCE ARRESTS BEGAN

https://www.thelantern.com/2024/04/university-says-officers-had-readied-firearms-directed-toward-protesters-from-ohio-unions-roof-once-arrests-began/

Around 8:15 p.m. Thursday, university spokesperson Ben Johnson said there were no armed law enforcement officers on the Ohio Union’s roof with weapons pointed at students and community members protesting the war in Gaza, which was correct at the time.

According to information obtained Friday, Johnson said once the troopers began using force on the students around 10 p.m., the state troopers on the roof switched to long-range firearms as part of their protocol.

“Ohio State Highway Patrol provided overwatch support, which is a standard safety measure when they assist with large gatherings,” Johnson’s statement said. “We don’t discuss specific public safety protocols. In general, overwatch support is armed, and the team carries standard equipment, including firearms, that would only be used reactively to protect the safety of all present, including demonstrators.”

Nevilledog

(51,212 posts)
57. Ohio might not, but Indiana did
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 12:14 PM
Apr 26


Multiple students and protesters reported seeing snipers on the rooftops of #Ohio State University and #Indiana University Bloomington. Videos and photos of the snipers were circulated on social media and quickly went viral.

However, Ben Johnson, the spokesperson for Ohio State University, confirmed to several news outlets that there were no snipers at the Ohio Union building. He added that the spotted officers were state troopers in a "watching position, similar to a football game day."

In Indiana, a rifle can be clearly distinguished in viral footage.



womanofthehills

(8,781 posts)
19. Chair of Philosophy- older woman arrested too
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 02:57 AM
Apr 26

WATCH: Among those arrested today were Noelle McAfee, Chair of the Philosophy Department at Emory University.

I’ve asked for a comment from Emory on this arrest, no word yet.



This video provided to us by an #Emory PHD student. You can hear him in this video. @ATLNewsFirst

https://x.com/patrickquinntv/status/1783532600637681964?s=46&t=YZgyyp4w_z7vW3neKxa6cQ

Prairie Gates

(1,068 posts)
11. Between the poorly trained idiot cops and the "I am a professor of economics"
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 11:56 PM
Apr 25

it's really hard to choose who is more laughable.

Kablooie

(18,641 posts)
17. We are regressing back to the worst of the 60s.
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 12:15 AM
Apr 26

I fear a dark period ahead.
Now with SCOTUS beginning to support Trump's destruction of democracy.

Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #56)

BannonsLiver

(16,495 posts)
60. In this country when you interfere with arrests it is grounds for arrest.
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 12:27 PM
Apr 26

It’s codified in our laws. Under Castro she would have been dragged off and never seen again. Of course you’ve denied there was any form of political oppression whatsoever under Castro so…🤷?♂️

ripcord

(5,547 posts)
62. The problem is that you do not have the right to resist arrest
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 12:35 PM
Apr 26

She started struggling as soon as they tried to take her into custody.

Marcus IM

(2,247 posts)
65. I don't dispute that.
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 12:49 PM
Apr 26

My brother is a police officer. I don't dispute that interfering with an arrest will get one arrested also.

It's the harshness and brutality of the police overall that is disturbing. That doesn't happen in Cuba.

Another poster who seems to think that Castro is still alive falsely claims that Cubans are "disappeared" after an arrest. Ummm. No. We'd be hearing about it in bold headlines in the Miami news regularly if it were to be true. It's not, and it is not.

FYI, I am a Cuban-American Jewish liberal who votes straight Dem every election. I know what is going on there because my family lives there and I go many times every year, and I keep in close touch with all of my family and friends via phone, zoom, Facebook, twitter, etc etc on a daily basis.

BannonsLiver

(16,495 posts)
69. Castro is dead, thankfully.
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 12:54 PM
Apr 26

But you have repeatedly denied there was any form of political oppression in Cuba during his regime. Meanwhile, groups like Human Rights Watch and Amnesty international have documented the oppression, which when confronted with those facts you have denied, claiming HRW is some kind of evil Western imperialist organization, which is of course quite ludicrous.

Mosby

(16,378 posts)
70. Prison or Exile
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 12:58 PM
Apr 26

On July 11, 2021, thousands of Cubans took to the streets in the largest nationwide demonstrations against the government since the 1959 Cuban revolution. These peaceful protests were a response to longstanding restrictions on rights, food and medicine scarcity, and the government’s response to the Covid-19 pandemic. Many protesters chanted “liberty!” or “motherland and life,” referencing a Cuban song that repurposes the government’s old slogan, “motherland or death” (patria o muerte), and criticizes repression in the country.

The government replied to Cubans’ exercise of their rights to expression and assembly with brutal, systematic repression and censorship.

Shortly after the protests began, President Miguel Díaz-Canel urged government supporters and security forces to respond to the protests with force. “We call on all revolutionaries to go to the streets to defend the revolution,” he said. “The order to fight has been given.”[1]

One protester, Diubis Laurencio Tejeda, a 36-year-old singer, died, seemingly at the hands of the police.[2] Cuban rights groups report that over 1,400 people were detained, more than 700 of whom remained behind bars as of July 2022.[3] Cuban courts have confirmed the convictions against more than 380 protesters and bystanders, including several children.[4] Several organizations reported countrywide internet outages on July 11, followed by erratic connectivity, including restrictions on social media and messaging platforms.[5]

This report documents a wide range of human rights violations against well-known government critics and ordinary citizens, including harassment, arbitrary detention, abuse-ridden prosecutions, beatings, and other cases of ill-treatment that in some cases constitute torture.

Human Rights Watch found that rights violations committed in the context of the protests followed patterns that strongly suggest the existence of a plan to prevent people from protesting, punish those who did, and instill fear to prevent massive anti-government demonstrations from taking place again. We found a pattern of abuse in over 155 cases documented during our year-long reporting on the repression against July 2021 protesters in Cuba, including the 14 cases described in detail in this report.[6]

https://www.hrw.org/report/2022/07/11/prison-or-exile/cubas-systematic-repression-july-2021-demonstrators

Mosby

(16,378 posts)
73. HRW has a peculiar obsession with Israel
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 02:17 PM
Apr 26

The HRW field team in Israel spend most of their time in hotels in and around Tel Aviv, only leaving to talk to their Palestinian stringers and maybe grab a sabich. The IP/G issue is a cash cow for HRW and Amnesty, something they've admitted to in the past.

For HRW, Israel is low-hanging fruit: The New Republic Adds Evidence of Bias

https://www.ngo-monitor.org/press-releases/for_hrw_israel_is_low_hanging_fruit_the_new_republic_adds_evidence_of_bias/


markpkessinger

(8,409 posts)
88. That buys into the framing that anyone who protests against Israel's action is anti-Semitic . . .
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 01:41 PM
Apr 27

. . . and on that, I say BULLSHIT!

And beyond that, even if the protester being arrested is anti-Semitic, being anti-Semitic, although deepl offensive, is not against the law. I am a gay man, and I despise anti-gay demonstrators (such as the Phelps Klan, for example). But I do NOT think they should be subject to arrest for making their views known!

BannonsLiver

(16,495 posts)
93. I think most are antisemites or deeply uninformed and naive at best.
Sun Apr 28, 2024, 03:54 PM
Apr 28

And none of these people care if Biden is re elected. That much is clear.

crickets

(25,986 posts)
63. I saw one hand at her own waist, steadying her shoulderbag.
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 12:39 PM
Apr 26

At one point, she gestures, while yelling at police to stop. Her hand didn't touch anything, and there was no deliberate attempt to reach for anything. There is a moment when her back is to the camera and she is bending over a cop on the ground trying to get his attention, but no visible evidence she is touching or trying to touch him or his gun. She was too close, and got attention for it, but there's no evidence she touched anyone. Then her hands came up in front of her, near her face after she is grabbed by another cop, who swung her around. If there was any contact, his own movements seemed to be the cause. Given the situation, her actions weren't the smartest in the world, but she didn't assault anyone. She had a bunch of physical reaction directed toward her, once the cop decided to put hands on her.

Maybe we saw it differently, but this is my take after several viewings at slow speed. 🤷?♀️

Eta: There's no question she got too close, and by interfering with an arrest, she was bound for trouble. Not smart.

Nixie

(16,993 posts)
64. Yes, she charged in wagging her fingers at the cop kneeling
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 12:40 PM
Apr 26

down and then slapped at the other who pulled her away from the kneeling cop. Neither of her actions seems like it would have a good outcome.

betsuni

(25,681 posts)
66. Asking for trouble!
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 12:51 PM
Apr 26

I thought everyone knew this, what with all the videos of similar situations.

RobinA

(9,896 posts)
58. Yeah
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 12:21 PM
Apr 26

She was a lot more nonassaultive than I would have been. The aggression was all the cop, and I'm not even anti-police. Although, she did take one for the team once this video gets around the world twice.

Voltaire2

(13,210 posts)
84. Apparently they failed at protest school.
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 07:24 AM
Apr 27

Nobody teaches protest. Well maybe somebody does, but mostly people show up.

ripcord

(5,547 posts)
85. I went to anti nuke protests
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 11:12 AM
Apr 27

We actually had meetings beforehand where we were told if arrests started we were to use passive resistance and go limp.

ripcord

(5,547 posts)
87. And resist arrest evidently
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 12:46 PM
Apr 27

I understand getting arrested for your cause but why add extra charges that could be felonies?

Mosby

(16,378 posts)
67. She fucked around and found out. Cops don't play
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 12:53 PM
Apr 26

If you ignore their requests and then start putting your hands on cops they will arrest you and charge you with failure to follow an officers commands and resisting arrest, both are serious charges.


NoSheep

(8,132 posts)
92. I read your comment just as I thought the exact same thing.
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 02:19 PM
Apr 27

racists, misogynists, pro-violent cop behavior, pro suppression of speech. calling a protester an anti-Semite because they care about Palestinians

Voltaire2

(13,210 posts)
83. There is no right of assembly for the left.
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 05:03 PM
Apr 26

Pretty much never has been, outside of entirely ceremonial events. Instead we get Selma, we get Kent State, we get Jackson State, we get Chicago, we get shot in the streets and the shooter gets put on a pedestal. We get beaten out of parks. We get kettled on the streets. We get attacked with chemical weapons that are illegal in warfare. We get blinded and broken by rubber bullets. We get assassinated if we are organizing too effectively.

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