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Gorsuch you're not a legislator (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 26 OP
writing a rule isn't the problem unblock Apr 26 #1
they're supposed to confine themselves to the case at hand. mopinko Apr 26 #3
Hypocrite Prendy Apr 26 #5
it's fraud, not hypocrisy. unblock Apr 26 #6
Or re-writing the Constitution? sinkingfeeling Apr 26 #2
Gorsuch, you asshole, your role, as set out in the Constitution, is not to write rules at all DFW Apr 26 #4

unblock

(52,352 posts)
1. writing a rule isn't the problem
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 02:20 PM
Apr 26

justices like to right rules so that lower courts can apply them to cases and then many cases will be handled similarly and reasonably consistently, and people have a better understanding of how the courts decide cases so that they can better comply with the law.

so we have judicial "rules" such as proof beyond a reasonable doubt for a criminal conviction and by a preponderance of evidence in a civil case. or the "reasonable person" standard.

all well and good.

where i think gorsuch and the right-wing justices' line of hypotheticals went wrong is that another "rule" is that cases are generally decided narrowly if possible. for instance, if a plaintiff lacks standing, you stop there. the supreme court usually creates "rules" when there are many cases that the lower courts are deciding in an inconsistent fashion, leading to much confusion about how a law should be interpreted or how best to comply with it.

that's obviously not the case here. there's been *one* presidential criminal defendant in roughly a quarter millenium, so this is hardly the type of case that warrants getting into hypotheticals to establish a unifying "rule".


moreover, the supreme court already decided that nixon had to comply with a subpoena as his tapes didn't lie within the "outer perimeter" of his presidential duties. that is, we already *have* a rule, so the court first needs to explain why that rule isn't good enough to cover the present circumstances.

near as i can figure, it doesn't work for them because it doesn't allow them to create the dictatorship they are drooling for.



Prendy

(32 posts)
5. Hypocrite
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 03:28 PM
Apr 26

I thought he was all about originalism. What does it matter what effect the rule will have in the future. All that should matter to him is whether or not the founders intended the constitution to provide immunity to a president in all circumstances. Clearly it does not. To be consistent with his so-called judicial viewpoint, all encompassing immunity should come only from the legislature or the people, by way of the constitution, not from a court interpretation.

unblock

(52,352 posts)
6. it's fraud, not hypocrisy.
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 03:46 PM
Apr 26

the right wing believes in loyalty to the right wing, particularly as embodied by donnie and the republican party.

everything else is a b.s. excuse, a post facto rationalization.
they cycle through various justifications until they find one that lets them get away with deciding the way that want.

thou shalt not kill a fetus is an absolute; but a momentary fear when holding a gun, kill kill kill!
the state can control what a pregnant woman eats, what activities she does, what medical procedures she has, but they can't tell a business anything.

hypocrisy requires shame. it requires that it's possible to confront someone and they'd have to admit that yeah, i did something inconsistent with my philosophies. republicans never do that, because the "philosophies" they talk about are just pretexts. more propaganda to let them get away with ruling however they please.

*everything* about the constitution, its construction, the federalist papers, early statements from our founders, *everything* says they wanted to avoid a tyrant as the number one priority of the structure of our government. there's nothing to base the idea that the president is special or exempt in any way. they could not possibly have wanted a president to commit crimes, they could not possibly have wanted a president to be able to then pardon himself, they could not possibly have wanted a president to be above the law.

european settlers fled nations with such monarchical powers. they did not at all want to establish anything like that.

for a quarter of a millenium, this was readily understood by everyone. there's no philosophy that gets you there other than hey, we want to establish a dictatorship.



DFW

(54,447 posts)
4. Gorsuch, you asshole, your role, as set out in the Constitution, is not to write rules at all
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 03:09 PM
Apr 26

Your role is to interpret rule that were written long ago, to be specific, the Constitution of the United States.

But maybe that part hasn't been explained yet?

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