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NEW YORK A crowd of pro-Israel protesters gathered just outside the Columbia University campus on Thursday evening, chanting through the gates at a group of pro-Palestinian students inside to go to Gaza!
Go home, terrorists! the pro-Israel crowd screamed at the students. Go back to Gaza! they yelled. Stop wasting mommy and daddys money! one man said through a megaphone. You want to camp? Go camp in Gaza! said another man, referring to the Palestinian territory where Israels siege has killed some 33,000 people, and where this week local health officials said medics had discovered mass graves at hospitals raided by Israeli troops.
The White House which under President Joe Biden has continued to send aid and weapons to Israel months after the International Court of Justice ruled that Palestinians in Gaza were at risk of experiencing a genocide responded to HuffPosts video of the incident in a statement Friday.
Every American is an American, full stop, deputy press secretary Andrew Bates said. It is bigoted and outrageous to suggest that anyone should go back anywhere. These kinds of statements degrade all of us, whether its telling someone to go back to Gaza, or telling someone to go back to Belarus and Poland, which was captured in other videos yesterday countries where Jews were victims of the Holocaust and pogroms. President Biden stands against hateful rhetoric, and believes we must constantly respect the dignity of all people, regardless of disagreements about policy.
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/columbia-pro-israel-crowd-yells-192602901.html
Big Blue Marble
(5,152 posts)Will these statements be decried as hate speak with same outrage here and in the media?
maxsolomon
(33,419 posts)But I'm not sure it's hate speech, in that it's not directed against a particular ethnicity, religion, or sexual orientation.
Big Blue Marble
(5,152 posts)It can also be interpreted be directed at the Arab and Palestinians in the crowd.
They certainly will perceive it that way much as Jewish students have
appropriately felt threatened by some gross and menacing
comments shouted at them.
maxsolomon
(33,419 posts)counter-protestors.
LeftInTX
(25,595 posts)NEW YORK (RNS) On Thursday (April 25), Christian nationalist activist and musician Sean Feucht, pastor Russell Johnson and conservative author Eric Metaxas headed a pro-Israel rally at Columbia University in response to the Gaza solidarity encampment established by students a week ago.
The United for Israel rally, advertised on social media beginning on Wednesday, was intended to show support for Israel, Jewish students and faculties. It drew a crowd of a few hundred, who circled the Columbia campus singing hymns and praying without entering its gates, instead trading shouted slogans and threats through the Upper Manhattan schools iron fences.
The rally was a sign of political evangelicalisms increasing interest in campus politics writ large and the pro-Palestinian campus protests in particular. Earlier in the week, House Speaker Mike Johnson, an evangelical Christian, made an appearance at Columbia to decry antisemitism on the campus and meet with school officials to demand the resignation of Columbia President Minouche Shafik.
The rally was billed as an attempt to redeem Columbia University, in the words of Feucht, who gained notoriety during the COVID-19 pandemic for holding worship concerts to protest restrictions on gathering. He organized the rally with Russell Johnson, the conservative lead pastor of Pursuit NW Church, and Metaxas, a 2020 election denier and supporter of former President Donald Trump. Metaxas, who wrote a 2010 biography of the German theologian Dietrich Bonhoeffer, who was executed for opposing Hitler in World War II, toted a poster of Bonhoeffers image during Thursdays event.
https://religionnews.com/2024/04/26/christian-nationalist-activists-lead-pro-israel-rally-at-columbia-university/
electric_blue68
(14,955 posts)Christian fundies dreaming of the "End Times"! 🙄
LeftInTX
(25,595 posts)Demsrule86
(68,703 posts)Do you think the protesters yelling Death to Jews or calling American Jewish kids zionists and worse is higher ground? We don't control Israel...so these protests will do nothing and in some cases just promote anti-semitism. I think both sides are wrong really.
beaglelover
(3,495 posts)maxsolomon
(33,419 posts)I've not seen that video.
beaglelover
(3,495 posts)intheflow
(28,505 posts)The person who said that was standing at a subway entrance. No indication at all that this was a student. But dont let facts stop you.
electric_blue68
(14,955 posts)This is the east side Entrance for the IRT #1 Local train.
Columbia U is right there on the East side of Broadway. Those are part of it's buildings, and it's gates.
I don't know where the actual ?Property Line is. There are often concrete squares (shallow groove markings) sometimes on the sidewalks. Usually 🤔 three across, maaaybe four width wise - from the edge of the building to sidewalk edge.
I've very occasionally seen a little thin bronze property marker plaque embedded in the further away square line of the first square that's adjacent to the building. Thus that set of squares running next to certain buildings are their property. I don't know about this area.
LeftInTX
(25,595 posts)The police have put up barricades, but it looks like protesters got through the barricades.
I posted video of a protest that got out of hand. The protesters were trying to get onto Columbia's campus. The protesters were arrested charged with resisting arrest and assaulting a cop. One girl was spitting on a cop. They were howling like monkeys. They were in their 30s.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/s1zpqsnQQyNhmf779
betsuni
(25,668 posts)That's show business.
maxsolomon
(33,419 posts)The "We are Hamas" gal is a piece of work. Deliberately offensive.
No one comes off looking good in that video, but there are some impressive eyeglass frames.
electric_blue68
(14,955 posts)She's a loud one!
Who knows maybe she knows Palestinians?
Both sides are in terrible pain, even if Hamas were the instigators.
Dorian Gray
(13,503 posts)so absolutely not appropriate.
People should be held responsible for their individual actions in this. Stop spewing hatred. All the groups need to listen and work with each other. Inflaming the situation is morally reprehensible.
lame54
(35,328 posts)wnylib
(21,645 posts)The anti Israel group opened this can of worms.
Response to wnylib (Reply #4)
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edisdead
(1,958 posts)canuckledragger
(1,670 posts)...the actual anti-Israel hate group?
wnylib
(21,645 posts)care about Palestinians would oppose Hamas as much as they oppose Israel.
Stop denying.
canuckledragger
(1,670 posts)Are you sure DU is the right place for you?
wnylib
(21,645 posts)I suggest that you chill on the accusations and innuendos.
Response to wnylib (Reply #43)
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BannonsLiver
(16,493 posts)David__77
(23,549 posts)Beastly Boy
(9,488 posts)https://www.newsweek.com/jewish-group-suspended-university-after-pro-palestinian-protests-1842826
Cha
(297,772 posts)From the link...
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/columbia-pro-israel-crowd-yells-192602901.html
Mossfern
(2,566 posts)David__77
(23,549 posts)Mossfern
(2,566 posts)there is no sense in going to extremes.
Have I seen you comment on the rhetoric of the anti-Israel protestors?
On edit: Upon reading the rest of the thread, I see now who the pro-Israel protestors were.
Your comment was indeed appropriate.
With "friends" like those, who needs enemies!
Cha
(297,772 posts)From the link...
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/columbia-pro-israel-crowd-yells-192602901.html
obamanut2012
(26,154 posts)It has been really appalling and frightening to read some of these replies on DU.
edisdead
(1,958 posts)Which thread?
When did they say this.
If you are going to make those statements provide the receipts.
Eko
(7,369 posts)I'm with Joe "President Biden stands against hateful rhetoric, and believes we must constantly respect the dignity of all people, regardless of disagreements about policy.
Reading more of the article
"The pro-Israel demonstration Thursday was helmed by a group of far-right Christian nationalist figures. Sean Feucht, the prominent MAGA pastor and musician, was the main organizer of the Unite for Israel rally. Feucht is closely tied to a slew of prominent Republican lawmakers, once bestowing Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis with a Defending Freedom award at a Miami Let Us Worship event, meeting with Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) on Capitol Hill, and praying over former President Donald Trump in the Oval Office. He has appeared multiple times on Fox News, is a regular on Steve Bannons War Room podcast, and is close with Jack Posobiec, the far-right influencer who has a history of making antisemitic remarks."
No wonder they were such jerks.
scipan
(2,361 posts)He loves desatan and thinks antisemitism is great because it's a harbinger of the end days.
emulatorloo
(44,192 posts)Rec
David__77
(23,549 posts)sarisataka
(18,792 posts)So who wins the "most offensive" contest?
Cha
(297,772 posts)emulatorloo
(44,192 posts)Ahead of the rally Feucht said in a livestreamed video that the rise in antisemitism on college campuses was another welcome harbinger of the end days. Many American evangelicals, like Feucht, see the return of Jews to Israel as key to an End Times prophecy that would usher in the Second Coming of Christ and commence true Christians ascent to heaven. These evangelicals believe at that moment Jews will have to convert to Christianity or perish a belief grounded in antisemitism.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,125 posts)TheProle
(2,202 posts)"Go back to Gaza" is reprehensible, but at least it's dry land, so it's marginally better than being driven into the sea.
David__77
(23,549 posts)TheProle
(2,202 posts)humanitarian infrastructure, that's guaranteed.
David__77
(23,549 posts)Cha
(297,772 posts)From the link...
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/columbia-pro-israel-crowd-yells-192602901.html
"Except".
Eliot Rosewater
(31,125 posts)Prairie Gates
(1,068 posts)Somebody call Congress!
Beastly Boy
(9,488 posts)They have their own agenda, and it is just as ignorant as that of the protesters inside the campus.
Cha
(297,772 posts)From the link...
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/columbia-pro-israel-crowd-yells-192602901.html
ripcord
(5,547 posts)One said in the title that these were rightwingers, the other didn't feel it was relevant enough to mention it at all, I find that interesting.
wnylib
(21,645 posts)MarineCombatEngineer
(12,449 posts)of Israel or pro Palestinian protesters that harrass and intimidate Jews.
You know what that makes you?
A hypocrite.
David__77
(23,549 posts)MarineCombatEngineer
(12,449 posts)which in this case, it is true, I've yet to see you criticizing any pro Palestinian protests that call for the destruction of Israel or the harassment and assaulting of Jewish people.
The harassment and assaults happen on both sides of the issue, but your sole purpose is to post ONLY anti Israel/anti IDF threads.
You're very transparent here, which is ok, that's your right.
David__77
(23,549 posts)MarineCombatEngineer
(12,449 posts)I enjoy reading threads or posts which I may or may not agree with, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of not presenting both sides of the issue, which is what you're doing.
Be that as it may, have a great weekend.
David__77
(23,549 posts)Thank you for your reply.
Cha
(297,772 posts)https://sg.news.yahoo.com/columbia-pro-israel-crowd-yells-192602901.html