when is he going to " crash"? I'm ready now....

So past ready.

an increased stress load, due to cascading legal troubles, etc.

But, again - key word, 'speculation'.

Trump is seriously mentally ill.
Two personality disorders, narcissism and sociopathy.
Cognitive disability due to dementia.

He is 77 years old, obviously with medical risk due to his poor physical condition.

He is now under a great deal of stress.
Running for president, facing numerous legal and financial problems.

Most of us can add up the risk factors and make some legitimate comments.

You want to get a point across and promote understanding. I know there are times when I get confused and have to ask others for clarification.

I also know sometimes it can be very frustrating to be misunderstood. Especially when this is a place designed for promoting the open discussion of complex ideas.

Keep the faith, stopdiggin.

❤️

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One of the experts quoted in the op noted something very important, which is the extent and rate at which he's deteriorated. It's really very noticeable, once you become aware of the signs, but people miss it, because he's always been so weird.

For example, he's always been a huge liar, so when he says something that is obviously nonfactual, it's easy to shrug it off as "Oh, there he goes lying again, what else is new."

That's just one very small example, only one part of a much larger picture. If you want to know more, I recommend googling Dr. John Gartner, founder of A Duty to Warn. He's done a ton of interviews about this, and it's very easy to find videos of him expounding on it in detail. Here's a very recent one, where he talks about Trump's pre-existing personality disorders and gives examples of how Trump is exhibiting serious signs of dementia and having more and more trouble communicating coherently:

I've become a Gartner fan of sorts. He's not only very informative but also engaging and entertaining, which is a great combination, imo.

The authors of the Project 2025 blueprint for destroying the federal government and creating a dictatorship are the ones who frighten me. They have a clear plan for eliminating democracy and centering all power in the executive. Trump craves money and praise, the more the better. So long as the Heritage Foundation extremists keep him happy on those two fronts, Trump will most likely allow them to do anything they want, especially as he descends further into dementia and no longer remembers what he has promised.

He could be in jail
He could shoot someone
He could have another affair
He could be on life support
He could kill a dog live on tv

They will still vote for him

and they'd still vote for him because they are just that much brain washed.

We need to amplify this to the middle.
People without devoted political sensibilities may be interested in pocketbook issues, but might not want a nut in the White House.
We need to solidify the middle-of-the-road vote. We can ignore the cult. They were there in '20, and TFG lost by 4.5% (PV) & by nearly 14%.
If Biden can lock up the middle, he'll win easily.

Figure out questions he would stumble on and show no mercy.

and hold them both to a very strict regimen on how they can answer.

I'd also like a kill switch and physical booths (with separate air systems). No pacing and perhaps no visual contact.

My best option is to give them both 10 questions to answer in writing one hour before the debate. No toadies/sycophants in the room to help answer. Then during the debate, read the question, and each answer, and ask the candidate to defend their answer. Sharpies allowed.

He's already prone to that because of his dementia, and evening (when debates are usually held) is the worst time of day for him. Some of his worst recent flubs have taken place at evevning rallies.

I actually don't think he'll debate Biden, just as he declined to debate his GOP rivals. His handlers are probably well aware that it would be a very bad idea. A debate is a test of one's ability to think and communicate on one's feet, and I think his deficiencies would would become obvious in such a situation.

a drooling, demented person incapable of coherent speech making verbal outbursts and impulsive inappropriate statements to name a few issues. Fingers crossed and personally I hope it's all televised. I guess i better start watching clips of his "appearances" with his idiot fans.

He's already falling asleep in court...at HIS OWN criminal trial.

When was the last time we've heard about a criminal trial defendant routinely falling asleep in the courtroom during the proceedings?

Can drooling be far behind?

It wouldn't surprise me. The lawyers could give it to him on the way in.

"In control" and then would simultaneously allow for his handlers to sedate him to the point that he can't control his own bodily functions in a situation where his freedom is at stake. It just doesn't make sense.

I'm thinking that he's more likely suffering from a rebound effect brought on by a reduction in his Adderall* dosage. If he's not getting enough to keep him up, as the drug wears off, the rebound would be excessive sleepiness.

That combined with an exacerbation of the dementia would make it very difficult to stay alert without having some substance to help.

*or whatever stimulant he may have been prescribed for his rumored ADHD or whatever substance he has been abusing to stay jacked throughout his adulthood.

and sit down motionless, I start to get drowsy myself. If I was sitting in *rump's trial table, I may start nodding off, too.

I'm fine with driving; the activity keeps me alert. But if I'm on a long drive and get drowsy, I'll pull off and snooze for awhile.

I'm not saying this to defend the traitor, but if I was at his table, I may exhibit similar nodding-off behavior.

the more fervent his support.

in psychology class, I asked the teacher: I don't understand the difference between a Neurosis and a Psychosis.....

He said: "A neurotic dreams about sand castles in the sky, the psychotic lives in them"........

I am pretty sure malignant narcism is ranked as a psychosis.............

Maybe someone out there knows???????????

Trump's delusions would probably qualify him for a 72 hour Mental Health Hold under normal circumstances......

“At one time, in psychology class, I asked the teacher: I don't understand the difference between a Neurosis and a Psychosis.....

He said: "A neurotic dreams about sand castles in the sky, the psychotic lives in them"........

I have also been told the same about the castles. Most personality disorders can be treated to the point where even if it doesn't go away completely, you can function at a fairly normal level.

Narcissistic personality disorder, however, is an exception primarily because the person thinks they are perfectly fine, and there is absolutely no need for treatment. They of course aren't, but they will never be convinced differently.

There is also temporary psychosis which can happen to people who struggle with recurrent depression, which is normally considered a neurosis! If the depression gets to a severe enough state they can fall into a psychosis stage, but that can usually be treated with a med prescription or a change in meds, if the person is already in treatment but no longer responding to their current regime.

Trump's is not temporary from the opinion most of my own treatment team whom I've asked. They always qualify it with they can not offer an official diagnosis since they aren't treating him. They can only say his behavior is typical of Narcissistic PD.

I have severe recurrent depression which is treatable which makes me very lucky, even if it is not completely curable.

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It's not a psychosis, but a person doesn't have to be psychotic to be delusional, and Trump definitely appears to be delusional. One of the experts quoted in the op used the phrase "delusional grandiosity" in describing him, and I think that's very fitting.

Here's a description of malignant narcissism that I think is pretty thorough (not coincidentally, it sounds EXACTLY like Trump ) https://www.simplypsychology.org/malignant-narcissism.html

According to Dr. John Gartner, a psychologist who has written and talked a lot about Trump's mental problems, when someone with a severe personality disorder develops dementia, the personality disorder gets worse as the person becomes more and more confused and disoriented. Not a pleasant thing to contemplate, especially in Trump's case!

It is especially troubling and even more unpleasant to think of him getting back into power.

I think it is important that we remind everyone that NOTHING about Trump would be possible without the Republican owned Media, The Republican Senators and House Members, Fox News, RW Radio, and a shit load of money from the U.S. Uber Wealthy Republican Oligarchs..........

for the website to explain..............

Most interesting, was the description in the article, made me reflect on the countless number of CEO's of major companies that it described perfectly, along with most of the executives under those CEO's.

I often thought, when watching those individuals, that thankfully the Corporate World gave them a place where their behavior was "socially acceptable", other wise they would be in a prisons somewhere............I am serious........What they would do to their employees and customers when making corporate decisions was beyond despicable........most took glee and great pleasure in bragging about what they had done!!!!!!!!! As if it was a badge of honor, and would fit well on their resume, to get them a bigger and better position with another Corporation.......

It is no wonder that all these corrupt Republican Politicians worship the corporations...........and are successfully able to work towards the destruction of ALL Gov't regulatory agencies.......Reagan, HWBush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Trump etc all championed that cause, and accomplished the destruction of untold regulatory laws......

Again, thank you, I love it when someone shares their knowledge with all of us.......

… but “loser connections…” works for me!

I chuckled at that and thought that observation must have come early in trump's admin before it was common knowledge that the orange turd wears lifts to appear taller, and that's what causes his forward tilt.

Wonder if that commenter would make that same diagnosis today?

…of one form of dementia.

See highlighted text:

EXCERPTS FROM THE OFFICIAL DICTIONARY OF REPUBLICANESE

In Republicanese, many words that sound alike may be spelled differently at random. A few prominent examples:

In Republicanese, the following words may be spelled at random using any of the three ways given:

A.) Two, Too, To
B.) Their, They're, There
c.) Your, Yore, You're

The Republicanese version of Robin Hood therefore starts with "In days of you're...."

The only rule is that the correct use of them as in English is never permitted twice in a row.

Words with single letters that change meaning when that letter is doubled must never be used in correct English context. The classic example is “lose” vs. “loose.” In Republicanese, if you do not win an election, then you “loose” that election. Conversely, if your (Republicanese: you’re) belt is too tight, you need it more “lose” in order to be comfortable. Another example would be the Republicanese, “I met Donald Trump, and he was rudder than I imagined,” vs. “I grabbed the ruder and was able to steer the boat to shore.”

Psychologists will be looking at Trump's paranoia, narcissism, and other forms of pathology for decades trying to figure out who was crazier. Him or the blockheads who voted for him.

The corrupt Supreme Court seems to be going the way of granting the SOB immunity, the corrupt judge Cannon is working her way to dismiss, or at least prolong the documents trial (why hasn't Jack Smith done what he should to have Cannon recuse herself from the trial?), now it seems there is a juror in NY who is leaning (maybe got paid or planted) to be the one person to hung the jury, his numbers for the presidency have not suffered much if anything, they should be zero but, they remain the same, the $600 million bond was reduced to $175 million which he still has not paid, and so on, and on...so, is he demented or is he a genius who has been able to scare (maybe by compromising) the entire republican party, to keep his base almost intact, to convince Latinos like Venezuelans that he is the only one who can help Venezuela get rid of the regime, even though in John Bolton's book it is described how Putin told him to not do anything to help Venezuela, that Maduro is "strong and intelligent", which trump repeated to Bolton, and thus Bolton's plans were canned.

My question is, do people who seem to be in the cult care that he is suffering from dementia? I don't think so, and thus news about his dementia don't change anything, he is still there corrupting the system, breaking the rules on his gag orders and no one puts him in jail or make him suffer enough for him to stop, he keeps insulting people, and nothing changes.

I wonder if what is happening is that most of us who lean to normality, as well as the many doctors who find him demented, find his actions as signs of dementia, but he is fooling us all by continuing with his demented behaviour which may be in fact his modus operandi to accomplish as much as he has, and continues doing?

Democrats need to be become more aggressive towards the Supreme Court and other institutions to make things happen, if repubs don't like it? too bad, but it always seems like republicans accomplish what they are after, but Democrats exist in a reactive mode, that has to change.

Came back to EDIT this post because there is an article here in DU, with the appropriate link, that kind of corroborates what I just wrote. here is the DU link:

[link:https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218901295|

And asking her would needlessly antagonize her. She’s already hostile enough.

Smith can’t go to the 11th Circuit Court and ask she be removed because she hasn’t quite crossed that line…yet. Had she not reversed her decision on making witness names public, Smith could have gone to the 11th for an appeal and demanded she be removed based on her long-running hostility and egregious decisions that the 11th has already had to overturn. She was probably advised she’d kinda fucked herself with the original decision and his appeal to her let her pull her own bacon out of the fire.

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"a normally aging person recognizes the mistake and corrects it."

Trump is not your average guy. He believes admitting mistakes is weak, he always has. It did not take dementia for him to show this trait. When he says something wrong, he pivots or continues forward on purpose.

If this guy knew trump decently well, he would know this

"Other obvious examples have been Trump saying .............the names of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln would be deleted from buildings."

Trump is playing on the concept that this comes under the umbrella of being "woke" and "Politically correct"
That the "Left" will carry those concepts to extreme, because we are 'crazy' and having these names taken down is within the possibilities of the crazies, that is just how crazy they are.

This reviewer just doesn't get it, his opinions hold no water for me.

They are fulfilling what is their "Duty to Warn" for which I provide the definition.

This is a prime example of his dementia exacerbating as given by you.

Google
"roy cohn" "trump" "never admit"

You will see this is part of who he is, not part of dementia.


https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/president-trump/transcript/?

Google
"roy cohn" "trump" "never admit"

You will see this is part of who he is, not part of dementia.


https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/president-trump/transcript/?

But I can see how one might believe that they know him better than the trained more than a few professional experts in the fields of medicine and psychology with years of experience and education when trying to make a point that's completely counter to the main narrative here.

The fact is that as a person ages, any person experiences a reduction of the ability to control features of that which is considered a base personality. Some might call it who we really are deep down. We all become less able to inhibit and control our most basic personality traits. It's not an either or situation.

This becomes more important when a person has documented mental illness prior to the onset of dementia. Dementia exacerbates the previously diagnosed conditions and is compounded by them at the same time.

Your presumption isn't even related to the topic except for the fact that it attempts to explain past behaviors while completely ignoring the effects that brain diseases have on those behaviors as a person ages.

I'm quite familiar with his history but I appreciate you sharing it for others that may not have been aware. Even though it doesn't really relate to this discussion some people may find it interesting.

The 3rd professional, out of the 3 shown, made some obvious errors.

I pointed them out.

You say you are aware of the history. You, no doubt, clearly see the errors he made.
Why make such of an issue about it, other than to say that it is a small thing, there are 399 other professional opinions to look at.

If you see a professional make an obvious mistake, you don't need to blindly follow them just because you are not a professional.

Trump is advanced enough in his dementia that he is making ridiculous factual errors (mixing up Nikki Haley with Nancy Pelosi and Jeb Bush with his father, etc.) and showing no sign that he even realizes he said something odd.

It's true that Trump has always been a liar. He's never hesitated to lie when it suited him and worked to his advantage. His lying has always been purposeful and intentional and often done with a specific goal in mind.

He's never been one to admit he's wrong about anything, mainly because his narcissism includes the belief that he knows more than anyone else and therefore can't ever be wrong. I'm sure Cohn's advice made perfect sense to Trump, because it dovetailed perfectly with his natural inclinations.

None of that matters now, because that's not what going on. His mind is turning into mush, and he's spouting all kinds of weird stuff that is divorced from reality because he's so confused he doesn't even know where he is half the time.

In the video I posted above, John Gartner gives lots of examples of how Trump’s current behavior is showing signs of advancing dementia. I hope you'll watch it, because Gartner explains the whole thing a hell of a lot better than I can.

It's true that he is making mistakes without realizing it.

That is true and the fact that it is happening so often and repetitively is a sign of dementia.
And that pro did emphasize those various things. I was attracted to the one flaw in that line of thinking when he said,
"a normally aging person recognizes the mistake and corrects it", because it is well known that looking at it from that perspective showed a lack of awareness of how Drumph's personality functions.

I agree that he shows signs of dementia, and the repeated mistakes are a symptom of that dementia.

I am glad you agree that Trump is showing signs of dementia. That was not clear to me before, and I appreciate the clarification.

I don't see that as a "mistake" on that expert's part, though. I think Trump's current behavior is a reflection of his dementia more of than any advice Cohn gave him, and in that sense the expert was not wrong, imo.

The stress of trial will not help that condition. Nor will hot weather.

Coo coo years ago yet he was still elected.

We could end up with "Weekend at Bernie's" in the Oval.

TFG is the monster that brought out ALL the low life CULTIST TRAITORS. (Supreme Court included) These no good bastards have made their move and decided to GP FOR IT!! They are in charge NOW. The Supreme Court could RULE on anything THER WA, and what are we gonna do about it? We can do NOTHING because THEY and their religion has taken our country down THEIR path. Even if TFG dies tomorrow this doesn't stop. I worry this election that THIS Supreme Court COULD and possibly WILL steal our election AGAIN. BE READY!

Snort...

"Dr. John Gartner explains why it's absolutely clear that Donald Trump has dementia"
https://democraticunderground.com/100218902763








(Link is to same video in reply # 36)